Can’t beat Huddersfield. What the hell is happening?
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I want to give him the summer. See what he does. Who he brings in/gets rid off
Give him the chance to start the season but ultimately if its not working we need to be ruthless and get rid early. no waiting around.
I do want him to do well. He started so brightly, then things just tailed off so badly after PSG.
Give him the chance to start the season but ultimately if its not working we need to be ruthless and get rid early. no waiting around.
I do want him to do well. He started so brightly, then things just tailed off so badly after PSG.
You may have decided to back him on his initial victories but many like me haven't. All I wanted was someone to see out the season but when he started winning, I was looking for some improvement in our style of play, passing or pressing. We were getting by sheer individual efforts in those games like we have done all these last few years. We all know what happens when individuals start to go through a rough patch, our football becomes crap. This is the time when a manager who can actually coach helps the team. So far Ive seen a guy who looks like a deer in front of headlights in the dugout.
We will have the same cycle we had with Mourinho, we buy a bunch of players, we sell some and fans turn on the players for a bit and will again realise that we have made a manager mistake again.
Yes. Spot on.
How can it be possible that the owners allow such ineptitude.
Profits. But even we can see turnover and profits nosediving.
Please don't bring xG into this debate. It's horribly inconsistent and ultimately unreliable.
It was a game of 2 halves against Spurs; we were thoroughly outplayed in the second half but we could have been 0-3 at half time. I'll give you PSG, we were incredibly fortunate to escape Paris 3-1 winners. That said, I cannot recall another game during that period where we were not largely the better team and fully deserving of a victory. Neither can you, presumably.
So I repeat my last question. Why would the players choose to down tools (which is acceptable under any circumstances) after the club had shown significant progression post-Jose?
Disagree, we scored alot of team goals. What Ole needs to do this summer is cut short the holidays, and force the team to be together on some bonding trip. They need to start playing like a team again, because when they do , they score goals.
That is in retrospect. He could have been ruthless but it would have been too early. If we played just as bad as we do now with the kids, and lost out on top 4 people would blame him and the kids. Like.. "we could have made it if he stuck with his best team, if he trusted them like he did when everything went well in the initial period we would have gotten top 4. Ole changed a winning formula" Etc.. That is the facts, he has trusted, backed and relied on the players that is supposed to be trusted and relied on and they have failed two managers. The season is finished, now is the time to be brutally honest and ruthless about the future. The kids are still in that future, even if they didn't play these games. The older players, not so much, I hope.
Of the four managers, two of them should be nowhere near a club like us. They don't have the knowledge or the experience of handling the transition of this huge club. One was way over the hill, this guy didn't even take active participation in the coaching and his club successes happened way long before. We appointed only one manager who had the capacity to handle us but his ego was a bit too much, he was poisonous, turned against the players quickly and his football was being left behind too.
I'm not saying the players are blameless but the problem lies in our manager appointments too.
I still don't feel he's the right manager, I think Mourinho could have been but again I don't know, him not getting backing didn't help.
Shame that United lost out on Klopp and Guardiola, but again, perhaps it's the boardroom level where its toxic.
Benefit of City and Liverpool having Guardiola and Klopp is both had a vision of what the club would be, they had proven themselves elsewhere, Guardiola came in to change how City operate even at a youth level just like SAF did at United, Klopp likewise with his Dortmund days, Klopp demands the players run and cares about every aspect of the game.
I just don't think Ole has that vision currently, he's not really saying the right things and honestly, the tactics and players don't really have any sort of identity.
Early on after Mourinho it was like "go and have fun", right now there's just nothing. I really don't see a manager in world football that is attainable and will help currently, what Ajax is doing is great, besides that, who else is available.
Settling for inadequacy honestly, top 6 club now. No direction, in any world Ole would not be first choice and sadly sentimentality isn't going to get you anywhere, no DoF. The standard of player in the club is a joke and the whole squad currently act like it's preseason.
Shame that United lost out on Klopp and Guardiola, but again, perhaps it's the boardroom level where its toxic.
Benefit of City and Liverpool having Guardiola and Klopp is both had a vision of what the club would be, they had proven themselves elsewhere, Guardiola came in to change how City operate even at a youth level just like SAF did at United, Klopp likewise with his Dortmund days, Klopp demands the players run and cares about every aspect of the game.
I just don't think Ole has that vision currently, he's not really saying the right things and honestly, the tactics and players don't really have any sort of identity.
Early on after Mourinho it was like "go and have fun", right now there's just nothing. I really don't see a manager in world football that is attainable and will help currently, what Ajax is doing is great, besides that, who else is available.
Settling for inadequacy honestly, top 6 club now. No direction, in any world Ole would not be first choice and sadly sentimentality isn't going to get you anywhere, no DoF. The standard of player in the club is a joke and the whole squad currently act like it's preseason.
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Erik Ten Hag, Poch, Tuchel, Allegri (goodness me I'd even take Martinez). All of these managers play with a philosophy, this is the most important aspect for us to move forward as a club. It's the reason why Pep and Klopp are so far ahead, they have positioned everything around a playing identity.
Reason why Madrid have the best squad in Europe and cannot get going without a Zidane (who is a rare commodity) is solely because of being led blindly.
He seems all in on Rashford. Based on that alone I would strongly argue he is the wrong man to trust to rebuild this squad. If that's the level he thinks his team need to be at, he will buy us more dross.
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That too
Rashford stuff is tiresome, he can play Lukaku instead who everyone hates and Martial who doesn't give a fuk.
To be fair there’s a grey cloud above himWhat will be the excuse when we go into next season with Rashford as our first choice striker? Who's at fault then?
He's better have a damn good idea of what he wants to do over the summer, because if he does nothing, he can kiss the job goodbye by December because the players will eat him up.
He needs to have the balls to shift quite a few of them. Practically shoving them out the door is what he has to do.
He needs to have the balls to shift quite a few of them. Practically shoving them out the door is what he has to do.
My biggest issue is with Ole is I don't think he has an identity as a manager honestly, he worked under one manager pretty much his entire life, so he will just try to emulate SAF. It's not even "what he wants to do" it's also if he is allowed to, Woodward could easily go "listen mate thats £20 million we cant afford to move him on, so you need to keep him, renewing is better for our profits".
As a manager what does he represent honestly., currently his conferences seem a bit knee jerk at times "I'm going to be successful here, some will be with me, some won't", and honestly is it all hot air at this point, or does he have any follow through.
I'd much rather have Erik ten Hag or even Simeone, now that Mourinho is gone, but even losing Mourinho I really still don't know if it was the right choice.
After seeing the post match interview Im convinced he is not the right fit, he is either a way too nice guy or just plain naive/stupid. Talking about how the effort was there, making it sound as if it was kind of bad luck and not a shitty display.
Can blame him though, he won the lottery getting the job, he wants to keep it as long as he can but we can forget about that nonsense “survival of the fittest” he will accept anything the board gives, ins and outs, he is in no position to demand anything.
The team will chew and spit him out before december, he doesn’t have the personality to deal with players like Pogba, Martial, Lukaku, FFS he can’t even handle Young.
We got ourselves into another problem by appointing him, we have deadwood in the squad and deadwood in the manager area as well.
Can blame him though, he won the lottery getting the job, he wants to keep it as long as he can but we can forget about that nonsense “survival of the fittest” he will accept anything the board gives, ins and outs, he is in no position to demand anything.
The team will chew and spit him out before december, he doesn’t have the personality to deal with players like Pogba, Martial, Lukaku, FFS he can’t even handle Young.
We got ourselves into another problem by appointing him, we have deadwood in the squad and deadwood in the manager area as well.
I think he's out of his depth with these players. He could be worse than Moyes (not saying he is now but could eventually prove to be). The club acted too quick. Zidane was available and Pochettino was there for the taking.
Moyes was more qualified as a manager, the only difference between Moyes and Solskjaer, Moyes was more experienced and Solskjaer people have sentimental feelings towards him as a player and a legend of the club.
Objectively if you took a look at Ole and Moyes, even Moyes would be a better pick.
3 year contract too, honestly a top 6 club now, I don't want to see it in 3 years.
Shoot me if you want.
There was one man that was available.
I said it then and my Utd mates laughed in my face.
Brendon Rogers.....Yes that's right.
Watch Leiecster finish above us next season.
Feck the history he had with Liverpool. We should have got him.
Wouldn't surprise me if it still happens end of next season.
There was one man that was available.
I said it then and my Utd mates laughed in my face.
Brendon Rogers.....Yes that's right.
Watch Leiecster finish above us next season.
Feck the history he had with Liverpool. We should have got him.
Wouldn't surprise me if it still happens end of next season.
So, we are going to give a manager, a wad of cash to buy his players, to play a way that we or the owners haven’t seen?
This is going to end well.
What a mess.
Even Moyes talked of a high press and quick attacking play but we never got it.
Giving Ole a transfer window and the job of overhauling his squad based on his passion for the club is probably the most fecked up thing Woodward had done so far.
This is going to end well.
What a mess.
Even Moyes talked of a high press and quick attacking play but we never got it.
Giving Ole a transfer window and the job of overhauling his squad based on his passion for the club is probably the most fecked up thing Woodward had done so far.
He's also not of the quality or standard that's right for the club, more experienced yes, but the right quality no.
It's like going from a finger-painting to a picture a 13 year old has drawn, it's better but still not the Mona Lisa.
As soon as the standards drop that's when you have issues, and Rogers still is not the right man.
But why the heck would the players suddenly down tools just at the very point that CL qualification became a possibility?
It's basically the football equivalent of nepotism.
*Bang*
There are lot of mitigating factors though. Imagine being the manager of this bunch. You depend on pressing but they're all too knackered due to Mourinho. Then you've got players in the middle of negotiating contracts due to Woodward letting the contracts run down. and then you have Sanchez disrupting everyone with his performances and wages - again see Woodward and the absolutely suicidal decision to pay him so much and cause a ripple throughout the whole squad who naturally want their wages increased.
For such a big business we have one of the most inept group of decision makers I think Ive ever seen.
People talk about Zidane and Guardiola having managed no one before they got their respective jobs. But this is on a scale way beyond that. We're talking about an entire rebuilding of a once global superpower. Those teams were not as broken as ours. We're talking about dismantling an entire squad and instilling a philosophy. Barca already had one. And both had proper structures in place.
Not only has Ole never managed a club of this size, he's never rebuilt a club, period.
We are ab absolute shambles in every aspect. The one absolutely essential thing right now is the hiring of a great Director of Football.
We are rudderless. In fact we're being steered by a blindfolded drunk who's never been in a boat before but think he knows what he's doing.
This whole old boy United Way worries me too. Sure it works for Ajax but again they are a tiny club in comparison.
I'm not sure putting in Phelan and Rio is the way forward, even more so now that we don't have the Champions League.
We need a guy who can hunt down the very best talent and has the business nous to get the deals over the line.
Everyone seems to be doing this better than us right now. We just lurch from one catastrophic mistake to another.
Ed's at the wheel!
For such a big business we have one of the most inept group of decision makers I think Ive ever seen.
People talk about Zidane and Guardiola having managed no one before they got their respective jobs. But this is on a scale way beyond that. We're talking about an entire rebuilding of a once global superpower. Those teams were not as broken as ours. We're talking about dismantling an entire squad and instilling a philosophy. Barca already had one. And both had proper structures in place.
Not only has Ole never managed a club of this size, he's never rebuilt a club, period.
We are ab absolute shambles in every aspect. The one absolutely essential thing right now is the hiring of a great Director of Football.
We are rudderless. In fact we're being steered by a blindfolded drunk who's never been in a boat before but think he knows what he's doing.
This whole old boy United Way worries me too. Sure it works for Ajax but again they are a tiny club in comparison.
I'm not sure putting in Phelan and Rio is the way forward, even more so now that we don't have the Champions League.
We need a guy who can hunt down the very best talent and has the business nous to get the deals over the line.
Everyone seems to be doing this better than us right now. We just lurch from one catastrophic mistake to another.
Ed's at the wheel!
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This might seem immature and knee jerk, but honestly, i could make an entire XI of players i would be happy to see leave. (Yeah i know, Rojo in goal)
--------------------Rojo--------------------
Young----Smalling----Baily-------Darmian
--------------------Jones--------------------
----------------Fred----Matic--------------
---------------------Mata--------------------
------------Sanchez----Lukaku----------
Subs: Lingaard, Pereira, Martial, Rashford.
Do you think you maybe give him a bit more slack cos you're from Norway? Calling people's opinions 'shit' during our worst period of form for 50 years is a bit of a joke.
The problem is it doesn't appear that Young, Matic or Jones are in Oles mind for getting rid.
I'm worried he could now sell half decent squad players and keep the aforementioned shite.
I'm worried he could now sell half decent squad players and keep the aforementioned shite.
Out of the 4 managers you have mentioned, 2 if they were appointed at this current united, would be getting questioned left right and centre within 6 months of their appointment.
Allegri plays the most boring pragmatic football seen and has not been able to build a coherent attacking side even after buying one of the best players the world.
Pochetinho has built a good side, but has stagnated over the last 2 years. For the life of me I can’t really understand what distinctive philosophy he has that is different from any other manager. Since Ole was appointed, he has outperformed Poch by 9 massive points over 20 games. Tottenham are in free fall and if Ole is getting criticised, then Poch should definitely be criticised given he has been in the job for more than 3 years now.
Tuchel plays in a one team league and has failed miserably in 2 champions league campaigns.
Zidane, a 3 time champions league winning manager is struggling to get his madrid side to play with any consistency in his second stint. While I think he will eventually come good, he still isn't performing any miracles without buying new players.
People who think any of the above managers will have a smooth sailing in this current club structure are living a pipe dream.
Ole may or may not be the man to lead us back. Least he deserves is a pre-season and couple of transfer windows to show any meaningful improvement without the fans getting on his back.
Woodward had so much time on his hands to make the right call but alas, decided to feck it up again. Will never ever understand the need of giving this guy a job before the end of the season
Id try to get Nuno Santo, Pochettino, Allegri, Ten Haag etc
We all knew he was a moron. What I don't get is the dumb blind support Ole gets from the fans here. Even the best managers are struggling here let's give the support to a guy who coaches in the Norwegian league.
Allegri, Poch (although seems unrealistic), Nuno Santo, Ten Hag (Along with De Ligt).
Allegri probably number one choice
Getting rid of managers so soon isn't ideal usually because they have to remove their players and the whole rebuilding has to start again. Essentially wasting more time. However Ole hasn't had that - so now would be ideal to get rid because once the summer is gone it'll be harder to sack him. So I really hope it works out for him.
Can I see him getting sacked next year? Yes - in the media he's showing niceness, always smiling and saying certain things which don't strike confidence of ruthlessness. Yes we don't know if he's ruthless or has another side to him behind closed doors. He certainly picking the team like he's being too nice to the deadwood.
Today would have been perfect to just show everyone (especially Ed) that he doesn't want to move forward with the deadwood, get in some youth with legs and passion and taking a gamble. If he had drawn or lost at least I could have said Ole has balls, I know what exactly he wants and a vision.
Right now he's looking clueless and that is the worry.
Can I see him getting sacked next year? Yes - in the media he's showing niceness, always smiling and saying certain things which don't strike confidence of ruthlessness. Yes we don't know if he's ruthless or has another side to him behind closed doors. He certainly picking the team like he's being too nice to the deadwood.
Today would have been perfect to just show everyone (especially Ed) that he doesn't want to move forward with the deadwood, get in some youth with legs and passion and taking a gamble. If he had drawn or lost at least I could have said Ole has balls, I know what exactly he wants and a vision.
Right now he's looking clueless and that is the worry.
Maybe its just me, but I think he will do well. Ive seen alot of positives from him and I do believe if he gets a proper backing then he will identify some good players that will massively improve us.
I'm willing to back him up and give him time to build his own team, but his persistance with Young really makes it hard for me to support him.
If he can't see that players like Young, Jones, Matić, Fred aren't United quality then his appointment was just another waste of time and resources.
If he can't see that players like Young, Jones, Matić, Fred aren't United quality then his appointment was just another waste of time and resources.
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