Things we learned from Liverpool

[Isotope]

Second time in a row, Liverpool has reached Champions League Final. This time by doing the "unthinkable", overturn a 3-0 defeat with no Salah and Firminho against the mighty Messilona.

Also this season, they're going neck to neck with City for League title, 94 points with one game to go.

There's Chinese proverb "When I walk along with two others, from at least one I will be able to learn."

So, what can we learn from Liverpool "the Cream of Europe" FC ?

I'll start:

- Klopp has a system, and he gets players that fit in his system instead of the other way around.

 

[roonster09]

Fans should stop moaning about signing players from smaller teams or relegated teams.

Also give the players chance instead of writing them off just because they didn't the heights in the young age.

 

[Plg91]

Be patient with the one who has a clear vision for the future. Stop being kneejerk for some bad results.

He was Jurgen Flopp here for a season or two IIRC.

 

[Isotope]

Fans should stop moaning about signing players from smaller teams or relegated teams.

Also give the players chance instead of writing them off just because they didn't the heights in the young age.

How many first teamers at Liverpool with young age? I can't think any.

 

[RobinLFC]

How many first teamers at Liverpool with young age? I can't think any.

TAA is from 1998. Most of them are early 90s though indeed.

 

[roonster09]

How many first teamers at Liverpool with young age? I can't think any.

Gomez but that's not the point. There is this thinking that if player is not great from young age then those players aren't all that good. If the young player shows promise then we should sign him at all costs.

For example, how would have CAF reacted if we signed Salah, Mane, Firmino, Robertson?

 

[Isotope]

Gomez but that's not the point. There is this thinking that if player is not great from young age then those players aren't all that good. If the young player shows promise then we should sign him at all costs.

For example, how would have CAF reacted if we signed Salah, Mane, Firmino, Robertson?

They were 23-24 y.o when start playing under Klopp.
Ok, I thought you meant 17-21 y.o. players when you mentioned "young age".

 

[U-N-I-T-E-D]

For me it’s having a clear vision of how we want to play and signing players that fit that style. Also buying players that will work hard for the club - not signing galacticos that want to come to the club to improve their fame and brands outside the game.

There’s an argument that maybe didn’t have the option of signing major stars but I think not doing so has done them well.

I look at Liverpool and Spurs players that are having amazing seasons and look at their social media presence. They don’t seem to be on it half as much as our players who are doing nothing for the club right now. If anyone deserves to put videos of them plebbing about in the changing rooms it’s them but they rarely do.

Sick of the culture at our club at the moment. It’s like we need to hit a reset button and have a couple of seasons of misery to rebuild.

 

[Isotope]

TAA is from 1998. Most of them are early 90s though indeed.

Yeh, that's what I thought. Klopp doesn't have to deal with crybabies within his team.

 

[roonster09]

They were 23-24 y.o when start playing under Klopp.
Ok, I thought you meant 17-21 y.o. players when you mentioned "young age".

I meant these players when they were 18-21 were not wonderkids or hyped 'Must buy' like Felix, Sancho. They were all playing in smaller leagues and clubs.

 

[Isotope]

I meant these players when they were 18-21 were not wonderkids or hyped 'Must buy' like Felix, Sancho. They were all playing in smaller leagues and clubs.

I see. Agreed that they don't need to pay 120+m for the next Mbappe to succeed.

 

[roonster09]

True. They don't need to pay 120+m for the next Mbappe to succeed.

Exactly. Yesterday among the players who made biggest difference, two of them were from relegated teams and one from academy.

 

[rampo]

Second time in a row, Liverpool has reached Champions League Final. This time by doing the "unthinkable", overturn a 3-0 defeat with no Salah and Firminho against the mighty Messilona.

Also this season, they're going neck to neck with City for League title, 94 points with one game to go.

There's Chinese proverb "When I walk along with two others, from at least one I will be able to learn."

So, what can we learn from Liverpool "the Cream of Europe" FC ?

I'll start:

- Klopp has a system, and he gets players that fit in his system instead of the other way around.

This has been our biggest failure over last 7 seasons - we go and randomly buy players. There is no long term vision

The second learning for me is you dont always need to buy established players. Look at players like Wijnaldum, Shaqiri, Fabinho, fringe players who rose to the occasion spectacularly

 

[Oldyella]

Fans should stop moaning about signing players from smaller teams or relegated teams.

This!

 

[Skills]

Gomez but that's not the point. There is this thinking that if player is not great from young age then those players aren't all that good. If the young player shows promise then we should sign him at all costs.

For example, how would have CAF reacted if we signed Salah, Mane, Firmino, Robertson?

Would've been too cheap and a sign of the club penny pinching for many of Mourinho's cock riders.

 

[Godfather]

Fans should stop moaning about signing players from smaller teams or relegated teams.

Also give the players chance instead of writing them off just because they didn't the heights in the young age.

That's not at all what we should learn from that. In contrast. Get rid of players that are obviously not good enough and most importantly get in a manager that knows what he is doing. That's the lesson. We never learned it though.

 

[Isotope]

This has been our biggest failure over last 7 seasons - we go and randomly buy players. There is no long term vision

The second learning for me is you dont always need to buy established players. Look at players like Wijnaldum, Shaqiri, Fabinho, fringe players who rose to the occasion spectacularly

True, mate. And there's also a pride when United "make" these non-established players become world class. Just like Vidic, Evra, Carrick, and Yorke of the past.

 

[Mcking]

That you need a manager that is worth his salt.

 

[roonster09]

That's not at all what we should learn from that. In contrast. Get rid of players that are obviously not good enough and most importantly get in a manager that knows what he is doing. That's the lesson. We never learned it though.

If we had players like Henderson, Milner and few more players they would have been treated as not good enough.

Agree with the manager point. There are few more lessons we can learn btw, which is off the field. First would be stop hyping up hipster DoF and it's not actually a small time to promote from within. Michael Edwards was promoted from within and he is one of the big reason for why their transfers are good.

 

[Sky1981]

Things we learnt from Liverpool :

Give your manager time, especially if he has a proven record

 

[Isotope]

Speaking of "long term vision" @rampo . Do you think Liverpool have one? It seems like they just changed managers, and each manager just buy their own players. The only "vision" I see is the owner only sanction buying players with resale values. And also they don't mind selling their stars if the price is right.

 

[Drainy]

I'll start:

- Klopp has a system, and he gets players that fit in his system instead of the other way around.

It started under Rodgers. They built a playstyle under him and got a very good team with players who fit the system to build upon further , then when they realised he was not a closer they needed to win trophies they replaced him with a world class manager whose playstyle is similar.

 

[Slevs]

Don't randomly buy players that don't fit your playing style.

Don't complain at not signing galacticos for an 60-80 million pounds. Robertson and Shaqiri were signed for peanuts and they would instantly make it in our team.

Get players who have talent and good work rate. Don't sign players with terrible work rate because you'll have to play 2 runners in midfield because the 3rd one can't be bothered to track back thus unbalancing your team.

Have wingers who can actually beat a man and are interchangable with each other.

Have a striker that can finish and link up play at the same time.

Have a good commanding central defender that will calm your defense down.

Utilize the underdog factor and the "us against the world" strategy.

Full respect to what they've done, they are working in the right way. 2 CL finals in a row and 90+ points in the league.

 

[Twingatz]

I think the point of players from relegated teams and smaller clubs is important. Sometime the best players and deals are right in front of your face. If you can find the right players that fit a system combined with the right coach they will work. Look at Leicester for example, the starting XI they played against City looks miles better than ours. I also don't think we need to do massive surgery in regards of talent but more attitude. Liverpool wanted this and desire combined with talent will massively win you games.

 

[Isotope]

It started under Rodgers. They built a playstyle under him and got a very good team with players who fit the system to build upon further , then when they realised he was not a closer they needed to win trophies they replaced him with a world class manager whose playstyle is similar.

So are you saying that they don't keep manager that doesn't perform?

 

[Jinn]

It's nothing special. We've done this before. Stop making them out to be the best thing since sliced bread.

 

[fastwalker]

I really hope Manchester United players were watching last night, I really do. I hope that as they pack their bags to get ready to play Bate Borisov or Uzbekistan Rovers in next season's Europa League, that Liverpool's performance is on a constant loop in their heads, reminding them what it means to be a professional footballer. I really hope that as they think of how they have let the club down this season, they realise that Liverpool have now become the team that Manchester United used to be.

I hope that Ole Gunnar Solksjaer is seething this morning. I hope that Ole uses Liverpool's comeback as a further reason to clear out the dead wood from this United side. I hope Ole does as Alex Ferguson did and use Liverpool's success as the template for his own.

Do you want to know what else I hope? I hope that every United fan wakes up this morning as sick as dogs but full of admiration for what Liverpool have achieved. Do you know why? Because you can never improve if you judge yourself by other people's failure, you improve by judging yourself by their success.

In closing, well done Liverpool. I hope you go on to win the Champions League. I hope you make United's players jealous, I hope you provoke United fans to anger. I hope all these things because maybe, just maybe you can spur us on and remind us of our traditions and history, because if seeing you succeed can't do it then nothing will.

 

[Maccus21]

How from the current relegated teams has shown they deserve a chance at a higher placed team?

I can only think of mitrovic, and maybe Josh murphy

 

[RoadTrip]

If I’m being completely honest, I didn’t learn anything.

Because the truth is, we already knew everything that yesterday simply demonstrated the culmination of.

How to run a club, transfer strategy, mentality... from board down to players, they’ve simply done it right and something we’ve desired at United now for too long.

It’s so painful to see though.

 

[Wumminator]

Create a positive atmosphere around the club. We used to have it. Yesterday Origi started and scored two goals. He’s crap but the fans believed that he could do something. If we start with a player we don’t like we end up crying about it for hours.

 

[RoadTrip]

It's nothing special. We've done this before. Stop making them out to be the best thing since sliced bread.

I think it’s quite obvious that the reason it’s so hard to take is because it’s a culmination of all the good decisions they’ve made from board down. And the things we’ve been wanted for so long at United. But instead we have Woodward.

 

[trafford1980]

Fans should stop moaning about signing players from smaller teams or relegated teams.

Also give the players chance instead of writing them off just because they didn't the heights in the young age.

100%, Absolutely this!

Liverpool took risks on the likes of Andy Robertson but also broke transfer records for a defender (VVD) and an African player (Mane) from Southampton. They also made good on some proven premier league discards/veterans like Milner and Shaquiri.

For contrast, our supporters will have full-meltdowns if we spent big on ‘unheralded’ premier league dwellers like Declan Rice, Ryan Fraser or Harry Maguire. Sign of our desperate times they’ll say.

 

[RoadTrip]

Speaking of "long term vision" @rampo . Do you think Liverpool have one? It seems like they just changed managers, and each manager just buy their own players. The only "vision" I see is the owner only sanction buying players with resale values. And also they don't mind selling their stars if the price is right.

Maybe before Klopp. But since Klopp came in the club has had all their ducks aligned, even when things were not going so well.

 

[Judge Red]

You’ll never walk alone. Especially if you’re our players in the middle of a match, heading back to defend.

 

[Drainy]

So are you saying that they don't keep manager that doesn't perform?

I'm saying that they found an upgrade and took their chance similar to when we moved from LVG to Mourinho. However we had a stark change in playstyle between the two which meant a disruptive rebuild (which we are facing again now), while their evolution was smoother because they have a similar way of playing and could be done with only a handful of cuts and upgrades, which they continued to build on.

 

[Isotope]

I really hope Manchester United players were watching last night, I really do. I hope that as they pack their bags to get ready to play Bate Borisov or Uzbekistan Rovers in next season's Europa League, that Liverpool's performance is on a constant loop in their heads,reminding them what it means to be a professional footballer. I really hope that as they think of how they have let the club down this season, they realise that Liverpool have now become the team that Manchester United used to be.

I hope that Ole Gunnar Solksjaer is seething this morning. I hope that Ole uses Liverpool's comeback as a further reason to clear out the dead wood from this United side. I hope Ole does as Alex Ferguson did and use Liverpool's success as the template for his own.

Do you want to know what else I hope? I hope that every United fan wakes up this morning as sick as dogs but full of admiration for what Liverpool have achieved. Do you know why? Because you can never improve if you judge yourself by other people's failure, you improve by judging yourself by their success. In closing,

Well done Liverpool. I hope you go on to win the Champions League. I hope you make United's players jealous, I hope you provoke United fans to anger. I hope all these things because maybe, just maybe you can spur us on and remind us of our traditions and history, because if seeing you succeed can't do it then nothing will.

This started nicely, but then.. fecking hell

 

[Badunk]

They haven't won any trophies yet.

 

[ROFLUTION]

1) Get in owners that understands football. All other points wont matter if they're crap and only think of short term money.

2) I dont see a lot of old players in the Liverpool team, which fits the notion that they work their socks off for the system. The players need to run a lot and press a lot.

3) It took them some years to get to their current point. First you find a proven manager with a modern system, then you have patience and wait for the whole team to be "his". Right now we have a Frankenstein of a team from LVG, Moyes and Mourinho's styles. And we as fans also abandon the manager as soon as no results are there instantly.

4) Also dont buy players like Pogba, who's ready to jump ship, when the going gets tough. A lot of scouting of the mentality of the player is needed.

5) Buy hard working players on their way up in their careers - not players who already have been at big clubs. This worked numerous times under Fergie too.

 

[The Nani]

Margins in football are slim if not paper thin.

A player who is played out of position in a system which doesn’t suit him will fail and look like a pub player in doing so.

A player who is played in his best position in a system which doesn’t play to his strengths will fail nine times out of ten.

A player who plays out of position in a system which plays to his strengths will fail nine times out of ten.

A player who plays in his best position in a system which suits him will look like a proper player nine times out of ten.

So having a system, identifying suitable players and deploying them properly is what this whole football management thing is about.

And that’s up to the board as well as the manager.

 

[Massive Spanner]

Klopp has always been unbelievable at getting the best out of average/lesser players. We can "learn" all we want from Liverpool but there isn't another manager out there who can buy players from relegated teams and turn them into world beaters for him against a side like Barca.