Yeah, but the first time isn't the fleet though, no? Or am I wrong? I remember way less ships.
But yeah, I get what you are saying mate, I'm messing a little. But in seriousness I don't think the tactics changed, just maybe she regrouped I guess.
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But yeah, I get what you are saying mate, I'm messing a little. But in seriousness I don't think the tactics changed, just maybe she regrouped I guess.
Jamie killed the Mad King as he was going to burn everyone but in this episode he said he never cared about the people! Which one is it mate????
I'm not disagreeing - I think they've done a great job on her arc. I was basically saying no matter what happened people would argue or say their way would have been better
But I agree, I think this was always danys arc. And it's all eaten away at her before she decided this. This isn't her going mad or insane but her doing an action of a mad woman in eyes of everybody else.
I was merely talking about those who are saying it was a rush job and wanted more episodes on it
For me I'm happy with the way it was done
I think the whole point of Jaime is that his love for Cersei overrides his moral compass.
It depends on just how "full circle" they want to bring it. I think either Dany will end up on the Iron Throne - having either killed Jon and the others, or simply cowed them into submission and fear. This would be a parallel of the Mad King's rule.
Alternately, they go a step further with someone killing Dany, mirroring how Jaime killed the Mad King. Could be Jon to do the deed, could be Arya (probably wearing someone elses face - my outside bet for that is either Missandei or Viserys, if Arya has their faces in her collection). Alternately Arya decides she is done with war and rides off into the sunset on her horse. After all, she killed the NK, she kind of had her moment.
My overall guess though, is we will see a recreation of Robert's Rebellion; Gendry and Jon instead of Robert and Ned, riding to war against the Targeryan tyrant. Hell, maybe they betroth Sansa to Gendry in the process (just like Lyanna was betrothed to Robert the first time). This makes the most sense to me, its just that that storyline feels way too big to cram into a single episode - that should basically be a season-long story for me.
Alternately, they go a step further with someone killing Dany, mirroring how Jaime killed the Mad King. Could be Jon to do the deed, could be Arya (probably wearing someone elses face - my outside bet for that is either Missandei or Viserys, if Arya has their faces in her collection). Alternately Arya decides she is done with war and rides off into the sunset on her horse. After all, she killed the NK, she kind of had her moment.
My overall guess though, is we will see a recreation of Robert's Rebellion; Gendry and Jon instead of Robert and Ned, riding to war against the Targeryan tyrant. Hell, maybe they betroth Sansa to Gendry in the process (just like Lyanna was betrothed to Robert the first time). This makes the most sense to me, its just that that storyline feels way too big to cram into a single episode - that should basically be a season-long story for me.
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I'm hoping Dany wins and annihilates all the other houses.
Yeah he's said many times fck everybody else it's just them two
He's threatened edmure Tully's baby ffs so he can get back to cersei
He's gone back to cersei three times and even stayed with her after she burned the city and lots of innocents.
He wants to be a good guy but cersei pull stops him from being so
That was quite rubbish. A visual spectacle devoid of any connection finally for me. Ah well only one to go.
It was like a highlights video for 1.2 hours. Does have all the high points but fails to connect like watching the actual match.
I enjoyed it. In fact I have mostly enjoyed this whole season. Despite that though, can't help but feel the writers are glad this is done with somehow and just want everything wrapped up quick.
I can see him saying feck it and heading beyond the wall at the end of next episode.
exatly she went 0-100 real quick. Had she done this right after Missandei's beheading it would make more sense
A few thoughts regarding the last episode:
- Didn't think it was as bad as some people are making out. Showed the brutality of war and the utter devastation it can cause.
- How was Jaime allowed to escape a second time? You'd have thought the Unsullied would've mentioned something after Tyrion freed him.
- The Scorpion weaponry suddenly went from being this 100% accurate, automatic, rapid-reloading killing machine to one of those claw devices you see at the funfair.
- The Golden company were useless
did they make a single kill?
- Dany turning into a supervillain was pretty predictable.
- I enjoyed the homage to Bran's visions with the shadow of the dragon over KL and the ashes over the throne.
- Jon is a stupid feck.
- Tyrion's plan was never going to work. Trying to reason with a madwoman who has lost most things she held dear and had her closest betray her was always pointless.
- KL was doomed from the beginning, I'm assuming it was Cersei that ordered the ignition of the Wildfire? Adding fire to more fire.
- Euron died the way he entered. Pointlessly.
- Claganebowl was good. The Mountain looked like a bloated version of Varys. D+D cutting costs
- Arya should've died three times during the show. For a faceless assassin that killed the NK she was shook very easily. If she stayed in the room with the map she could've assassinated Cersei. Also, where the feck did that horse come from?!
- Cersei's death (assuming she died) was so underwhelming.
All in all, I'm glad they're wrapping it up next week. This season may have been rushed but it's approaching a suitable end. They'll never please everyone and they might as well milk the cash cow at its peak before viewers drop further.
- Didn't think it was as bad as some people are making out. Showed the brutality of war and the utter devastation it can cause.
- How was Jaime allowed to escape a second time? You'd have thought the Unsullied would've mentioned something after Tyrion freed him.
- The Scorpion weaponry suddenly went from being this 100% accurate, automatic, rapid-reloading killing machine to one of those claw devices you see at the funfair.
- The Golden company were useless
did they make a single kill?- Dany turning into a supervillain was pretty predictable.
- I enjoyed the homage to Bran's visions with the shadow of the dragon over KL and the ashes over the throne.
- Jon is a stupid feck.
- Tyrion's plan was never going to work. Trying to reason with a madwoman who has lost most things she held dear and had her closest betray her was always pointless.
- KL was doomed from the beginning, I'm assuming it was Cersei that ordered the ignition of the Wildfire? Adding fire to more fire.
- Euron died the way he entered. Pointlessly.
- Claganebowl was good. The Mountain looked like a bloated version of Varys. D+D cutting costs
- Arya should've died three times during the show. For a faceless assassin that killed the NK she was shook very easily. If she stayed in the room with the map she could've assassinated Cersei. Also, where the feck did that horse come from?!
- Cersei's death (assuming she died) was so underwhelming.
All in all, I'm glad they're wrapping it up next week. This season may have been rushed but it's approaching a suitable end. They'll never please everyone and they might as well milk the cash cow at its peak before viewers drop further.
Honestly? I thought that was the best episode in a couple of seasons. The only thing I had a problem with was Northerners killing women and children, but that's medieval sieging of a city for ya.
They've hinted at Dany going mad since her early days so whilst I'm not exactly fond of the idea (because I always preferred her as a grey character) I can still see how it could happen. I guess that's what I have to say about alot of the things that went on which I didn't expect - when I think about them I can at least understand how it came to that conclusion. Haven't been able to say that much since season until now.
They've hinted at Dany going mad since her early days so whilst I'm not exactly fond of the idea (because I always preferred her as a grey character) I can still see how it could happen. I guess that's what I have to say about alot of the things that went on which I didn't expect - when I think about them I can at least understand how it came to that conclusion. Haven't been able to say that much since season until now.
Sorry but nope, she hasn't just gone from 0-100. They've been piling shit on her for seasons having her dip in between cruel and generous moments and constant reminders of her family's troubled past with insanity. They literally showed her dishevelled at the start of this one and how she feared she would be seen as a tyrant instead of a saviour in the eyes of the people - so much so as to say to Jon if no one would love her she would use fear. And then the bells for surrendering sound and she realises that they see her as the tyrant coming to destroy them, so she just loses her shit and goes postal.
I, for one, don’t quite get Queeny’s turn, seemed mad to me at a time when the tide’s turned, and civilians had thus far been kept out of it. Why wait for the bell if you just want to go smash? Will be interesting to see what happens when her advisors go «wtf?» next episode.
The Cleganes fighting gave me some massive Dark Souls vibes, with the surroundings
The Cleganes fighting gave me some massive Dark Souls vibes, with the surroundings
What do we say to the god of death?
Yee-haw!
I don't think stating a bunch of times that her father was the mad king is enough to explain her development in the last episode. She's gone from burning traitors to turning her dragon on women and children before Cersei was even captured.
I imagine the wildfire just kind of lit up on its own thanks to the dragonfire.A few thoughts regarding the last episode:
- Didn't think it was as bad as some people are making out. Showed the brutality of war and the utter devastation it can cause.
- How was Jaime allowed to escape a second time? You'd have thought the Unsullied would've mentioned something after Tyrion freed him.
- The Scorpion weaponry suddenly went from being this 100% accurate, automatic, rapid-reloading killing machine to one of those claw devices you see at the funfair.
- The Golden company were useless
- Dany turning into a supervillain was pretty predictable.
- I enjoyed the homage to Bran's visions with the shadow of the dragon over KL and the ashes over the throne.
- Jon is a stupid feck.
- Tyrion's plan was never going to work. Trying to reason with a madwoman who has lost most things she held dear and had her closest betray her was always pointless.
- KL was doomed from the beginning, I'm assuming it was Cersei that ordered the ignition of the Wildfire? Adding fire to more fire.
- Euron died the way he entered. Pointlessly.
- Claganebowl was good. The Mountain looked like a bloated version of Varys. D+D cutting costs
- Arya should've died three times during the show. For a faceless assassin that killed the NK she was shook very easily. If she stayed in the room with the map she could've assassinated Cersei. Also, where the feck did that horse come from?!
- Cersei's death (assuming she died) was so underwhelming.
All in all, I'm glad they're wrapping it up next week. This season may have been rushed but it's approaching a suitable end. They'll never please everyone and they might as well milk the cash cow at its peak before viewers drop further.
Dany's gone full on crazy, it's daft but it's not unreasonable to think it was a possibility all along. If they do it right next week then there's something to salvage from this season otherwise they've completely fecked up the last two seasons in general.
Great episode.
I have a neighbour who for five years never spoke to any of us. Suddenly, last summer, he came over and had a chat with me about one of our other neighbour's cats. The next day we had the exact same conversation about the same cat. Three or so months went by and he went back to his usual ignoring the world routine. Then one day out of nowhere he asks if I know anything about quantum physics. Then he talks about how he would like to blow up the moon. The very next day he knocked out a police officer at his front door and was put into a loony bin for three months. A lot of crazy folk are fine one minute and then snap at the drop of a hat.
to think we waited years for this.
This is probably the biggest thing. And her just losing her mind.
Your neighbour might have done all kinds of crazy stuff, just not while you passed him at the door. With Dany we have perfect access though. We see how they tried to (and failed at) writing up a descent into madness.
Shocking and appalling stuff imo, only books can restore me faith now, that is if that fat bastard finally decides to finish them.
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I liked it. Plot holes and all.
I feel blessed that I am seemingly able to enjoy a lot of stuff that others seem to get all upset about (films, TV, Music, video games) and sorry for people who just can't enjoy anything because it isn't exactly how they picture it in their head, or isn't plotted how they think it should be.
I'm not saying you are wrong to hate anything, and I respect your right to have your opinions; I'm just saying I'm glad I don't share your views and am able to get genuine enjoyment from things which apparently make the rest of you miserable
That is all.
I feel blessed that I am seemingly able to enjoy a lot of stuff that others seem to get all upset about (films, TV, Music, video games) and sorry for people who just can't enjoy anything because it isn't exactly how they picture it in their head, or isn't plotted how they think it should be.
I'm not saying you are wrong to hate anything, and I respect your right to have your opinions; I'm just saying I'm glad I don't share your views and am able to get genuine enjoyment from things which apparently make the rest of you miserable
That is all.
I think this could have been a good ending, they just stuffed it up by not properly writing her slide into madness over a longer time period. Instead she’s gone from 0-100 in two episodes and it feels way too forced.
That's what he said, but he also said being told by the King to kill his own father was a key moment in deciding to slay the king.
Guess I'll watch the inside the episode to find out what actually happened to Daenerys' state of mind.
I don't think Jamie ever did anything that wasn't about Cersie even in the long term .
He probably only really fought at Winterfell to help defeat the White Walkers before they to Kings Landing
Anyone who has been watching this show since the first season and didn't think that Danny was going to destroy King's Landing, was clearly not paying attention. Let's get a few things straight here...She's a Targaryen, madness is in her blood. Added to that, ever since she took a hold of the unsullied and the Dothraki, she had tyrant type tendencies. The only reason we didn't see it sooner was simply because she had a few folks at her side to tame her impulses. Let's be honest here, the minute she ignored Jon and Tyrion's advice to not use her dragons to burn cities and she went ahead, most people like me saw her as an impulsive and emotional queen, added to that...losing Missande in the way she did, just pushed her madness over...like gravity. There's no coming back now...she's officially her father.
I agree mostly. Although why did he pork Brienne?
But he slayed the mad king to protect his family, including Cersei obviously, not to protect the people. Which is why he said he never cared about the people in today's episode.
What do you mean. Her state of mind was right there for all of us to see.
1. She lost Missande.
2. No one loves her
3. She lost Jon
"A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing." We all knew her state of mind the minute Episode 4 was done.
Well, they were incinerated, so I think it's harsh to judge them on that.- The Golden company were useless
feck off
It all makes sense now!
This. Even my wife who just started watching the show realized that as much as they try to paint Jaime as his own independent character, most of his crazy decisions were borne out of the love for his crazy ass sister.
Does anyone think next week will be Jon at one end Dany the other end and Drogon in the middle as they both go "cmon boy come to the one you live "
Hard to see how Jon can stand to Dany and her armies unless Drogon let's him
Hard to see how Jon can stand to Dany and her armies unless Drogon let's him