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He was appointed to get results and get back to CL. In the 6 seasons since Fergie retired we qualified for CL only 3 times - 2 of those times was back to back years under him.

It's what you get. Did the board expect to change his ego and somehow become different personality at 50 years of age?
No I didn't. He should of been sacked after his second season. That's what history tells you. We were left in a situation where he wanted to fill the squad with even more aging cloggers like Perisic and Willian so I understand why Woody pushed back in that specific case.

It was short-termism and we are paying for it. The fault of Woody and the club structure of course. We'd need to bring someone like Conte in after Mou to work with that type of player, instead we've brought in Ole who has a completely different idea on how to play....
 

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Happened to have bought L'Equipe this morning. So I propose this transcription about MU part of the whole ITW with more context and answers.

Q: Is PSG better structured than Manchester United ?
JM: I don't know. I know Manchester United, I know it's a club with an incredible history. With ambitions that are in accordance with his past but not his potential as of today. I told 9, 10 months ago that after winning 8 championships, finishing 2nd with MU might be my greatest achievement. Now people are understanding.

Q: At United, did you train like in Porto, for example ?
JM: No there's no exercise I do today I did in Porto. But in Porto, there was this empathy through the whole structure. If you stay in a player-coach relationship, it doesn't work. Everybody needs to be on the same page.

Q: That's what went missing in Manchester United ?

JM: For Manchester United I can only say 2 things. One is that time spoke for itself. Two, problems are still there.

Q: Were you a Paul Pogba victim ?
JM: No.

Q: Problems weren't the players ?

JM: Problems are here, you can think about players, organization, ambition, I only say that I can't say yes if you ask me if Paul Pogba was the sole reason.

Q: Conflicts with Anthony Martial are the same as the ones you knew with Karim Benzema in Real ?
JM: With Karim, it wasn't a conflict, I only wanted to help the player [a player with amazing talent] to change his mentality, to help him reach his maximum. To become a killer, a lethal striker. I really liked working with Karim.

Q: Less with Anthony ?
JM: It's a boy with a different personnality. The only thing I could say, it's that I hope he will reach a dimension that is in correlation to his real potential.

Also, the mighty question about the Mourinho 3rd year (and some potential United words)

Q: How do you explain your 3rd year syndrom ?
JM: In Chelsea, the 3rd year, I was 2nd in the League, I lost in UCL semis in penalty shoutout and we won the Cup and the League Cup. Not bad for a 3rd year ! In Madrid, we lost in UCL semis, we lost in Cup final and we were 2nd in the league. Finally in United, we got out of a difficult UCL group with Valencia and Juventus, and in the league you are right results were not good.
Generally, players can feel somewhat of an erosion. Especially when you're asking them a lot. When I say that the second season was fantastic, I say that because the potential and the goals were in tune [How the interview is written you can only guess he's talking about United].
Why ? Because I pressed, like an orange, a lot, to achieve it. When you have a group of players very professional, ambitious, working hard, talented, a structured club, you don't have this erosion.
When you're nearly alone, you don't have the full backing of the club, [so the coming part is very hard to translate and very weirdly written in french actually] so some players are going to search for the opposite of a coach, the nice guy. I don't want to be the nice guy, because the nice guy, after 3 months, is becoming a puppet and it doesn't end well. But you don't need to be the always negative coach (lol). You need to find this balance. In fact, the problem for the coach is the same as the teacher in school. I understood it, one day, when a player told me : "Coach, please, if you want to critize me, don't critize me in front of other players." "Why?", I asked him. "Because you're attacking my status". It's hell of a change ! A team, it's a team. A group of players, it's a group of brothers. The coach is here like a father, it's a family, and in a family you're talking openly. When a player say something like that, you need to change the way of act. The nice guy, is not a coach. But you can't be permanently a man of conflict. You need to find a position, the one I could have had with very mature groups. When you're not the boss, you're not the one with the power. You need to be the leader, the leader.

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Remove Van Dijk and Salah from Liverpool and what do you get? It's Klopp that makes it tick. Let's not pretend that the others didn't spend wild amount to get to top 4.
Klopp built a competitive young side which press alot, they can play decent football, they play as a unit and they can actually win stuff. Mou failed on that big time. This is not the first dressing room Mou had lost. What's his number now? 3rd in a row?
 

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Can play on both sides and is two footed. Also wanted Willian.
Yes , we would be so much better with those two:rolleyes: . Mourinino is a nasty , bitter , yesterdays man . Anything he has to say now or in the future in relation to Man Utd is irrelevant . The club may have the wrong owners , wrong boardroom , wrong management , wrong players but it is still better off without that virus around the place .
 

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No I didn't. He should of been sacked after his second season. That's what history tells you. We were left in a situation where he wanted to fill the squad with even more aging cloggers like Perisic and Willian so I understand why Woody pushed back in that specific case.

It was short-termism and we are paying for it. The fault of Woody and the club structure of course. We'd need to bring someone like Conte in after Mou to work with that type of player, instead we've brought in Ole who has a completely different idea on how to play....
Agreed with the second part, but not the first.

Sure, those cloggers would've needed to be replaced. But then Jose is not someone you don't know. Why give him contract only to fire him later? Our decisions at the top are mind boggling.

Seriously wasn't Ed aware what type of players Jose would want before blocking him?

Not saying he didn't deserve to be sacked in the end due to the results in the 3rd season, but our management allowing that negative atmosphere to happen is ridiculous.
 

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Making a careful summary of what he is saying:
1. I can hardly say anything about United, but..
2. What I did was an extraordinary achievement.
3. I am not to blame.
(4. I told you so)
 

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Tbf I was thinking of Rashford as one who's a follower and probably would do much better with the others gone. In the case of Martial I think it's more his lazy attitude that he's too good to try and that will also rub off.
I believe that too but I think Rashford has gone too far now in his attitude and arrogance.

There has to be people other than those 2 in his life influencing him and feeding his ego. Needs reigning in.
 

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Klopp built a competitive young side which press alot, they can play decent football, they play as a unit and they can actually win stuff. Mou failed on that big time. This is not the first dressing room Mou had lost. What's his number now? 3rd in a row?
Jose isn't the same type of manager as Klopp. He will grind results, he will replace players, most of the time his football isn't good on the eye. He won stuff with inferior team and club in turmoil. He'll spend money. As I said, you get what you expect with him.
 

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he meant that it was near impossible to achieve anything with this squad with this sort of mentality,hence his comments about greatest achievement.
Mentality comes from top down. After two whole years of buying players of his choice he couldnt change their mentality?
 

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Agreed with the second part, but not the first.

Sure, those cloggers would've needed to be replaced. But then Jose is not someone you don't know. Why give him contract only to fire him later? Our decisions at the top are mind boggling.

Seriously wasn't Ed aware what type of players Jose would want before blocking him?

Not saying he didn't deserve to be sacked in the end due to the results in the 3rd season, but our management allowing that negative atmosphere to happen is ridiculous.
We know Jose yes, that's why you sack him after season 2.
 

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Jose isn't the same type of manager as Klopp. He will grind results, he will replace players, most of the time his football isn't good on the eye. He won stuff with inferior team and club in turmoil. He'll spend money. As I said, you get what you expect with him.
Well he left a mess with us which could have been worse if the likes of Willian and Perisic were on our payroll as well. United spent 400m and all they got is this dysfunctional, poor side whose sitting at 6th place. This is the 3rd dressing room Mou has lost
 

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Jose isn't the same type of manager as Klopp. He will grind results, he will replace players, most of the time his football isn't good on the eye. He won stuff with inferior team and club in turmoil. He'll spend money. As I said, you get what you expect with him.
Except we got 6th place in the table and in the next season 19 points behind first place. And this was before all the "He wasn't backed" thing started.
 

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Klopp built a competitive young side which press alot, they can play decent football, they play as a unit and they can actually win stuff. Mou failed on that big time. This is not the first dressing room Mou had lost. What's his number now? 3rd in a row?
Exactly. How can people watch Liverpool and come up with "remove this player and we will see". This is a system that Klopp built where everyone knows their role. On the other hand we had Jose who signed midfielder for a world record fee and didn't even know how to get best out of him or signed Lukaku for 75 million and played to his weakness rather than strength.
 

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Quite restrained comments.

For all the problems he brought to the table himself (and he did bring a lot), he's right in saying that time has spoken. Clearly the problems ran far beyond him and the brief period of excellent form following his departure was the real outlier.
Yes and no. The problems are mainly about spending an absolute shit-load of money yet ending up with the majority of the players in our strongest XI as academy graduates or signed by Fergie (at least 8 fecking years ago!)

Mourinho might be keen to distance himself from that reality but his fingerprints are all over that frittered cash.
 

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Well he left a mess with us which could have been worse if the likes of Willian and Perisic were on our payroll as well. United spent 400m and all they got is this dysfunctional, poor side whose sitting at 6th place. This is the 3rd dressing room Mou has lost
Chelsea twice, Madrid, Manutd. That's 4. Only dressing room he didn't lose was at the clubs where he didn't spend 3rd year.
 

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Except we got 6th place in the table and in the next season 19 points behind first place. And this was before all the "He wasn't backed" thing started.
This wasn't backed thing is silly. SAF wasn't backed regarding Batistuta and he was forced to sell Stam because the club had cash flow problem. These things happen all the time. The manager is an employee not the owner.
 

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Well he left a mess with us which could have been worse if the likes of Willian and Perisic were on our payroll as well. United spent 400m and all they got is this dysfunctional, poor side whose sitting at 6th place. This is the 3rd dressing room Mou has lost
As I've said(and you too for the matter), this is something everybody should expected. Why blame him for the way he works but employ him in the first place?

Except we got 6th place in the table and in the next season 19 points behind first place. And this was before all the "He wasn't backed" thing started.
When Jose was sacked he was 19 points behind first place. Your darling Ole got us to 32 points behind first place, yet you want him as your manager and back him to it. Some consistency would be nice.
 

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When Jose was sacked he was 19 points behind first place. Your darling Ole got us to 32 points behind first place, yet you want him as your manager and back him to it. Some consistency would be nice.
Some context and common sense would be even better.

How many points were ManUtd behind when Jose was sacked? How many signings or money did Ole spend?

Just checked, Jose was 19 points behind league leaders after 17 games, Ole was 13 points behind 21 games. Somehow Ole finished 32 points behind :lol:
 

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I do not think it matters what Jose says these days, at the end of the day he was not going to be successful at United in the near future so he had to go.

That does not say the next manager will be successful either ... but a change had to be made.
 

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Some context and common sense would be even better.

How many points were ManUtd behind when Jose was sacked? How many signings or money did Ole spend?

Just checked, Jose was 19 points behind league leaders after 17 games, Ole was 13 points behind 21 games. Somehow Ole finished 32 points behind :lol:
Again with the signings. Why does it matter? Ole was hired as a caretaker - to work with what he got, not build a team. He should have been assessed and appointed to improve on what we have got.

Jose didn't play Cardiff and Huddersfield twice did he? After Ole was appointed we had pretty good run of fixtures against bottom sides. Talk about context.
 

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Another "i told you so" or "look, jose was actually right" , thread.

We've been through this. How many have there been now?

Jose was rightfully sacked for doing an awful job, at the end. Surely we are able to seperate the 2 issues: i) Jose deserving the sack & ii) there are lots of other problems/issues at the club.
 

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As I've said(and you too for the matter), this is something everybody should expected. Why blame him for the way he works but employ him in the first place?
I don't think that the people you are discussing with are doing that though, the reality is that he failed at what he does. You would have a point if he was successful with his way at United. Also we went for Perisic and he rejected us.
 

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I don't think that the people you are discussing with are doing that though, the reality is that he failed at what he does. You would have a point if he was successful with his way at United. Also we went for Perisic and he rejected us.
Depends on POV. To me his first two seasons minus Sevilla was generally what you expect him to achieve...
 

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Again with the signings. Why does it matter? Ole was hired as a caretaker - to work with what he got, not build a team. He should have been assessed and appointed to improve on what we have got.

Jose didn't play Cardiff and Huddersfield twice did he? After Ole was appointed we had pretty good run of fixtures against bottom sides. Talk about context.
We played more than half a season. We played same fixtures except 1 or 2.

btw check the league table under Ole, so much better than it was under Jose who was closer to Newcastle than Chelsea.

So at least we are getting to the point that Ole didn't finish 32 points behind City, it was Jose's major contribution.
 

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Depends on POV. To me his first two seasons minus Sevilla was generally what you expect him to achieve...
You expected United to finish 5th at 6 points of Arsenal after the additions of Mourinho, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and Bailly? Seriously?
 

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Depends on POV. To me his first two seasons minus Sevilla was generally what you expect him to achieve...
First season wasn't good enough in the league. He never finished outside the top 3 in his first season until he joined us.

His fault, I think he vetoed Mane for Mkhi, leading to Mane being bought by Liverpool. Jose identified the need for a RW, but botched it up by buying Mkhi who was inconsistent. A proper RW to share Ibra's goalscoring burden and we would have finished atleast 4th that season, and not made a big work of our EL games against Anderlecht and Celta Vigo.
 

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We played more than half a season. We played same fixtures except 1 or 2.

So at least we are getting to the point that Ole didn't finish 32 points behind City, it was Jose's major contribution.
Cardiff is 6 point difference and they are an awful team. Ole did finish 32 points behind City, he extended the game from 19 to 32. It was Jose's contribution but also Ole's with his woeful run.

You expected United to finish 5th at 6 points of Arsenal after the additions of Mourinho, Pogba, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan and Bailly? Seriously?
Come on mate. We clearly prioritized EL and won it. We won 1 game out of 6, after being unbeaten from late October to late April.

2 cups and CL place after 5th finish the year before. It wasn't bad by any means.
 

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Again with the signings. Why does it matter? Ole was hired as a caretaker - to work with what he got, not build a team. He should have been assessed and appointed to improve on what we have got.

Jose didn't play Cardiff and Huddersfield twice did he? After Ole was appointed we had pretty good run of fixtures against bottom sides. Talk about context.
Ole’s points per game ended up superior to Jose’s by half a point per game. Which would have seen us finish in 3rd place if we’d picked up points at that rate all season. With the exact same squad of players he inherited on day one.

Is that enough context for you?
 

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Still glad he’s out of our club regardless of what’s gone on since.
 

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Cardiff is 6 point difference and they are an awful team. Ole did finish 32 points behind City, he extended the game from 19 to 32. It was Jose's contribution but also Ole's with his woeful run.
So you expected the broken team to keep the pace with league champions?

Also going by Jose's team performance against Huddersfield and Brighton, I won't say Cardiff was 6 pointer. I won't say any team was 6 pointer under Jose, at least this season.
 

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Come on mate. We clearly prioritized EL and won it. We won 1 game out of 6, after being unbeaten from late October to late April.

2 cups and CL place after 5th finish the year before. It wasn't bad by any means.
That's a terrible excuse, we prioritized games against terrible sides like ASSE, Rostov and other Celta Vigo? You are saying that United and Mourinho couldn't play more than one competition at a time after that type of investment?
 

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Ole’s points per game ended up superior to Jose’s by half a point per game. Which would have seen us finish in 3rd place if we’d picked up points at that rate all season. Without making a single signing.

Is that enough context for you?
Jose was sacked based on his point per game this season.

That's a terrible excuse, we prioritized games against terrible sides like ASSE, Rostov and other Celta Vigo? You are saying that United and Mourinho couldn't play more than one competition at a time after that type of investment?
I am saying that 2 cups and CL spot is pretty good results considering the 3 years before, which was a progress.
 

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I am saying that 2 cups and CL spot is pretty good results considering the 3 years before, which was a progress.
No, it wasn't progress. We won the FA cup and where tied with 4th the previous season without Ibrahimovic, Pogba and Mkhitaryan.

Surely you realize how kind you are regarding our achievements under Mourinho. Simply forget about him and think about it without taking into account the manager.
 

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Happened to have bought L'Equipe this morning. So I propose this transcription about MU part of the whole ITW with more context and answers.

Q: Is PSG better structured than Manchester United ?
JM: I don't know. I know Manchester United, I know it's a club with an incredible history. With ambitions that are in accordance with his past but not his potential as of today. I told 9, 10 months ago that after winning 8 championships, finishing 2nd with MU might be my greatest achievement. Now people are understanding.

Q: At United, did you train like in Porto, for example ?
JM: No there's no exercise I do today I did in Porto. But in Porto, there was this empathy through the whole structure. If you stay in a player-coach relationship, it doesn't work. Everybody needs to be on the same page.

Q: That's what went missing in Manchester United ?

JM: For Manchester United I can only say 2 things. One is that time spoke for itself. Two, problems are still there.

Q: Were you a Paul Pogba victim ?
JM: No.

Q: Problems weren't the players ?

JM: Problems are here, you can think about players, organization, ambition, I only say that I can't say yes if you ask me if Paul Pogba was the sole reason.

Q: Conflicts with Anthony Martial are the same as the ones you knew with Karim Benzema in Real ?
JM: With Karim, it wasn't a conflict, I only wanted to help the player [a player with amazing talent] to change his mentality, to help him reach his maximum. To become a killer, a lethal striker. I really liked working with Karim.

Q: Less with Anthony ?
JM: It's a boy with a different personnality. The only thing I could say, it's that I hope he will reach a dimension that is in correlation to his real potential.

Also, the mighty question about the Mourinho 3rd year (and some potential United words)

Q: How do you explain your 3rd year syndrom ?
JM: In Chelsea, the 3rd year, I was 2nd in the League, I lost in UCL semis in penalty shoutout and we won the Cup and the League Cup. Not bad for a 3rd year ! In Madrid, we lost in UCL semis, we lost in Cup final and we were 2nd in the league. Finally in United, we got out of a difficult UCL group with Valencia and Juventus, and in the league you are right results were not good.
Generally, players can feel somewhat of an erosion. Especially when you're asking them a lot. When I say that the second season was fantastic, I say that because the potential and the goals were in tune [How the interview is written you can only guess he's talking about United].
Why ? Because I pressed, like an orange, a lot, to achieve it. When you have a group of players very professional, ambitious, working hard, talented, a structured club, you don't have this erosion.
When you're nearly alone, you don't have the full backing of the club, [so the coming part is very hard to translate and very weirdly written in french actually] so some players are going to search for the opposite of a coach, the nice guy. I don't want to be the nice guy, because the nice guy, after 3 months, is becoming a puppet and it doesn't end well. But you don't need to be the always negative coach (lol). You need to find this balance. In fact, the problem for the coach is the same as the teacher in school. I understood it, one day, when a player told me : "Coach, please, if you want to critize me, don't critize me in front of other players." "Why?", I asked him. "Because you're attacking my status". It's hell of a change ! A team, it's a team. A group of players, it's a group of brothers. The coach is here like a father, it's a family, and in a family you're talking openly. When a player say something like that, you need to change the way of act. The nice guy, is not a coach. But you can't be permanently a man of conflict. You need to find a position, the one I could have had with very mature groups. When you're not the boss, you're not the one with the power. You need to be the leader, the leader.

Cheers (and sorry for grammatical mistakes)
Thank you for this. Is he actually criticising us for having high ambitions?
"With ambitions that are in accordance with his past but not his potential as of today" - how else should this statement be construed?
 

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No, it wasn't progress. We won the FA cup and where tied with 4th the previous season without Ibrahimovic, Pogba and Mkhitaryan.

Surely you realize how kind you are regarding our achievements under Mourinho. Simply forget about him and think about it without taking into account the manager.
Odd. I think the general consensus around here was that he did good in his first season? Now that he's gone we decided to revisit that?

Exactly.

Yet you’re implying - in the post I responded to - that Ole didn’t “improve on what we got”. Which is, clearly, nonsense.
How did he improve it mate? We finished 6th and we're out of all cups. Did that improvement warrant 3 years contract for a manager without credentials?

How did our game improve against Cardiff and Huddersfield compared to what we had under Jose?
 

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Cardiff is 6 point difference and they are an awful team. Ole did finish 32 points behind City, he extended the game from 19 to 32. It was Jose's contribution but also Ole's with his woeful run.


Come on mate. We clearly prioritized EL and won it. We won 1 game out of 6, after being unbeaten from late October to late April.

2 cups and CL place after 5th finish the year before. It wasn't bad by any means.
We prioritized the EL, because top 4 was out of our reach. It wasn't likely we'd finish in the top 4.

It wasn't like top 4 was in reach, but we punted it aside to focus on the EL.