Pogba Future

Would you accept Dybala and Sandro for Pogba?


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Mcking

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I don't mind him leaving, provided we get a decent price for a player of his quality. But any player we are bringing in to replace this man better be good at football, or we're well and truly fecked.
 

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New contract with Sanchez money and he goes nowhere. Juventus or Real Madrid don't have the money to buy him, that's why they want to include players.
 

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what kind of rhetoric is this.

I’m saying our ‘fans’ should show some support for ‘our player’.

I’d forgotten how futile debate on forums can be.

My post is pro-United above anything else. Sell the lesser players & keep the good ones. I could care less about ‘Ine of our own’ & such rhetoric.

He is our best player, you don’t improve by unsettling & creating an atmosphere of animosity with your best players whilst other less gifted players collect huge wages & underperform to a greater degree.


Great input. Again not reading what’s been posted but being so anti-Pogba that keeping worse players is a positive.


You’re not actually making a point.

Matic & Fred are our 2 most established midfielders once a Pogba goes. So we sell Pogba & buy a replacement. Say Fred doesn’t play & McTom does [& i like McTom] the point remains they’ll be playing A LOT of games & aren’t better then Pogba so we are weaker.

Matic & Fred are not in instead of Pogba, they are currently 2 3rds of our ‘best’ midfield.

Pogba wanting to leave is reductive, given the atmosphere created of course he wants to leave. I think had the club had a better atmosphere then it doesn’t come to this.

If Matic & Fred aren’t starting who is? The midfielder/multiple midfielders we haven’t actually signed yet? McTom, Andreas, another youth product?

You can say bullshit all you like you’ve got no substance, what ITK do you have that selling Pogba gives us a brand new midfield cause that isn’t happening.
You're making things up, where's the animosity. On paper he's our best player, unfortunately his form has always been up and down and if anything a lot more fans were finding every excuse imaginable for him rather then giving him abuse. He can't take even the minimum criticism cause of his inflated ego yet he thinks he won't get that at the club like Madrid.
 

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A single player wouldn't be enough, not because Pogba would be better but because we'd need to look for a clear improvement so at Real Madrid, I'd say none sadly.
Not really interested in just getting a player who's better than Pogba. Imo football doesn't work like that. We can build a proper midfield with players who are less quality than him but all of them do their role perfectly well that the end result will be bigger than the sum of it units.

We have spent 3 seasons trying to build a setup to get Pogba to play consistently. It's time to stop thinking about building a midfield on one world class player with deficiencies and build a proper unit.
 

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Not at all disappointed if he leaves, will be disappointed if we let him leave on the cheap

100m plus Varane or 130m plus Odegaard
 

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On replacing his attacking output (stat wise): A quick search on WhoScored reveals 44 players, from the top 5 leagues, that averaged more key passes per 90 minutes from central midfield than Pogba's 1.6 (min 15 games played). Also, out of his 13 league goals, just 6 of them were not from penalties.
 

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Not really interested in just getting a player who's better than Pogba. Imo football doesn't work like that. We can build a proper midfield with players who are less quality than him but all of them do their role perfectly well that the end result will be bigger than the sum of it units.

We have spent 3 seasons trying to build a setup to get Pogba to play consistently. It's time to stop thinking about building a midfield on one world class player with deficiencies and build a proper unit.
There is absolutely no combination of a possible swap with Real Madrid that would make me happy. The players they're considering to let go this summer are not very interesting for me.
 

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Paul just wasn't built for this. I know you look at him and you see this strapping lad but he's not here to lead. He's our best player but he would rather be in a different situation where he's not relied on so much. It's United's fault for putting Paul in this situation.
 

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On the caf, even if I don't have exact stats, I'm pretty sure there are more fans "abusing" him than "defending" him. It's not even close.
Actually I think it's the other way around. And if criticizing his play and games is 'abuse' then yeah he's getting a lot of it.
 

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On replacing his attacking output (stat wise): A quick search on WhoScored reveals 44 players, from the top 5 leagues, that averaged more key passes per 90 minutes from central midfield than Pogba's 1.6 (min 15 games played). Also, out of his 13 league goals, just 6 of them were not from penalties.
Yeah but we're talking about Man United, the black whole of creativity

Actually I think it's the other way around. And if criticizing his play and games is 'abuse' then yeah he's getting a lot of it.
A poll would be a very good way to have a proper answer
 

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Why would he say that? The Pogba transfer has worked out fine as far as Raiola is concerned.

Make a huge amount of money bringing a player to United. Park him there for just a few seasons. Make a huge amount of money moving him on to a club where he'll win things. If you're an agent that's fantastic.

If anything he should be telling De Ligt to use us as a ridiculously lucrative stepping stone. For someone who accused another poster of being naive you seem to think Raiola is bizzarely unmotivated by money.
No you're right, De Ligt's agent tells him where to play
Raiola is motivated by money, but he will also tell a player if he thinks they would be going to a sinking ship.
Do you think De Ligt is purely focused on money over trophies?
Maybe he'd love the prospect of apologising to fans, on MOTD every other week, or having his reputation tarnished by his team failing dramatically.
His stock is through the roof at the moment.
He may become a GOAT at CB. He may not.
At this moment he can choose where he goes. He may not have that luxury, down the line.
 

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We can keep him for one more year without his value going down. It's pretty clear he wants to leave. So it's a matter of when we should sell him. I want him to stay because I'm not sure whether we'll able to bring in any player to replace him.
Do you actually trust him to play with anywhere near sufficient commitment if we keep him that extra season though? Or be a good influence.

If the club have are even vaguely competent (big if, I know) the "news" that Pogba wants to leave this summer is something they've been anticipating for a while. It would be pretty bad if they don't have a potential replacement in mind.
 

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I don't mind him leaving, provided we get a decent price for a player of his quality. But any player we are bringing in to replace this man better be good at football, or we're well and truly fecked.
Don’t give a shit about these stats, I trust my eyes and bar a handful of games Pogba was rancid last season.

Him saying it was his best season says it all - he’s our main player and we were dire, therefore it should be seen as an awful season.

Wish we’d kept Herrera but this over-rated, own hype-believing primal donna and his fat feck agent can do one.
 

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All this "we're shite, Pogba deserves better..", "a few fans boo'd him.." stuff is bollocks IMO.

I have no doubt that if we were top of the league with the fans singing his name at every game, we'd still be in the same boat with him looking for a move to Spain.

Utd was only ever a stepping stone for him, to earn a shed full of cash and build his profile.

Now is the right time for him to move on, while his stock is still high. Another year or two of the sort of lackluster, inconsistent form he's shown here and he hasn't a hope of getting a move to the likes of Madrid.
Ding ding
 

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We've lost better players than Pogba. Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc. The only thing that terrifies me is we have Ole and Woodward to try and fix this mess we are in. I have no faith in them to do the required rebuild that we need. Again, this scenario is absolutely terrifying. Hvae said it before but we haven't reached rock bottom yet. Next season will be car crash viewing.
 

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Imagine wishing to leave your United because the fans don't treat you well enough, only to sign for a club with the most notoriously impatient fanbase on the planet (Real Madrid).

Bullshit.
 

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You’re not actually making a point.

Matic & Fred are our 2 most established midfielders once a Pogba goes. So we sell Pogba & buy a replacement. Say Fred doesn’t play & McTom does [& i like McTom] the point remains they’ll be playing A LOT of games & aren’t better then Pogba so we are weaker.

Matic & Fred are not in instead of Pogba, they are currently 2 3rds of our ‘best’ midfield.

Pogba wanting to leave is reductive, given the atmosphere created of course he wants to leave. I think had the club had a better atmosphere then it doesn’t come to this.

If Matic & Fred aren’t starting who is? The midfielder/multiple midfielders we haven’t actually signed yet? McTom, Andreas, another youth product?

You can say bullshit all you like you’ve got no substance, what ITK do you have that selling Pogba gives us a brand new midfield cause that isn’t happening.
We’re already replacing Herrera, that will likely be a first team signing, so that’s one spot. As you’ve said Mctom will get a lot of games, likely another spot taken. Unless you are assuming we signing squad level players. So you have to think we’ll sell pogba and buy one midfielder in order for those to play signficiant games. We’re already going to get a midfielder to replace Herrera and I think we won’t replace Pogba like for like, so more than likely get two midfielders - possibly more.

Ok we’ve not signed anyone, but to say we’re going to play with two of the poorest performing midfielders from last season, next season for significant games, is just not likely.
 

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I think we should go back to Fergie's policy of not working with Raoila, regardless of the player's quality. It's just not worth it. Any player that chooses him as an agent clearly has a certain track in mind, and that's not staying somewhere for very long, because that's not how Mino gets paid.

As others and I have been saying for ages, you may not love Pogba, but he's our best outfield player by a country mile, and replacing him is going to be a nightmare. I wouldn't be as worried if we had a manager like Pochettino who clearly has a system, but half a season in I have no idea what Ole's system is, and how it will adapt to losing such an influential player.

We could be in real trouble.
 

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Not really interested in just getting a player who's better than Pogba. Imo football doesn't work like that. We can build a proper midfield with players who are less quality than him but all of them do their role perfectly well that the end result will be bigger than the sum of it units.

We have spent 3 seasons trying to build a setup to get Pogba to play consistently. It's time to stop thinking about building a midfield on one world class player with deficiencies and build a proper unit.
Maybe you have in your head Liverpool's recent success but I am not sure if your attack is good enough for that formula
 

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Imagine wishing to leave your United because the fans don't treat you well enough, only to sign for a club with the most notoriously impatient fanbase on the planet (Real Madrid).

Bullshit.
Footballers don't see things clearly, Pogba could have dreams about becoming the midfield superstar at Real Madrid, loved and adored by all, just like he thought he'd be at United. Some can delude themselves so much, they lose all sense of reality
 

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Maybe you have in your head Liverpool's recent success but I am not sure if your attack is good enough for that formula
Our attack is poor whatever the formula and it needs reinforcement as well. I want at least 2 attackers this summer. There's no contradiction imo.

Building a midfield on Pogba isn't working. We spent 3 years, signed 2 more midfielders, changed the manager, blamed almost everyone and he's still inconsistent. It's not working so time to move on.
 

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On his day, he is obviously the best player at the club, but he clearly does not want to be here and has been too inconsistent in the games that mattered against the top teams, also get the feeling he is a bad influence on some of our players. Wont be too sad to see him leave as long as we invest the money into good, hungry players.
 

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He will leave if they meet our demand but no club is desperate to spend crazy on him, so likely to stay.
 

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You're making things up, where's the animosity. On paper he's our best player, unfortunately his form has always been up and down and if anything a lot more fans were finding every excuse imaginable for him rather then giving him abuse. He can't take even the minimum criticism cause of his inflated ego yet he thinks he won't get that at the club like Madrid.
Making what up? ‘Things’ is a tad vague.

Did you miss the video plastered all over the internet of the fan pelting him after the end of season lap of [dis]honour.

Pogba is our best player. Does that mean he always plays to the optimum of his ability no.

I’m actually done with all of our players & have no issue with them being sold, £150mil for Pogba is a good deal by anyone’s standards but selling Pogba now misses the point imo, sell from the bottom up & if he’s still sulking get rid once we’ve improved other key areas.

Just loook at this forum & social media, that’s not animosity it’s much worse.

Calling Pogba’s form below expectations is one thing, claiming selling him in lie of keeping other less talented players seems imbo
We’re already replacing Herrera, that will likely be a first team signing, so that’s one spot. As you’ve said Mctom will get a lot of games, likely another spot taken. Unless you are assuming we signing squad level players. So you have to think we’ll sell pogba and buy one midfielder in order for those to play signficiant games. We’re already going to get a midfielder to replace Herrera and I think we won’t replace Pogba like for like, so more than likely get two midfielders - possibly more.

Ok we’ve not signed anyone, but to say we’re going to play with two of the poorest performing midfielders from last season, next season for significant games, is just not likely.
We we’re light with Pogba & Herrera, replacing them man for man & expecting another ‘extraordinary’ improvement from McTom seems ‘unlikely’.

Fred is a £50mil investment & Matic was brought back for make or break games at the end of the season. They will both start more games than McTom save another big step from McT.

But we are arguing over something that may happen, I take your points on board.
 

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We've lost better players than Pogba. Don't let the door hit you on the way out etc. The only thing that terrifies me is we have Ole and Woodward to try and fix this mess we are in. I have no faith in them to do the required rebuild that we need. Again, this scenario is absolutely terrifying. Hvae said it before but we haven't reached rock bottom yet. Next season will be car crash viewing.
But that is precisely why Pogba wants to leave and no other player of his caliber will want to play for us.
 

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I don't mind him leaving, provided we get a decent price for a player of his quality. But any player we are bringing in to replace this man better be good at football, or we're well and truly fecked.
We built our team around Pogba.

The midfield was built to get the most out of him. The left wing was built to get the most out of him. The RW was deployed in a free role to get the most out of him.

Ole admitted as much.

Those stats are good, but pretty much what you'd expect from a decent #8/#10 hybrid who plays in front of two DMs and who takes all the penalties.

Pogba's one of the most talented players in the world, but he's far from replaceable.
 

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Really enjoying watching Pogba and Mourinho fighting for control at a club that neither of them seem to want to be at.
This was my view last year and it hasn’t changed. As soon as you invite the likes of Mourinho, Raiola and Pogba across the doorstep you lose the right to be outraged. Scorpions and frogs...
 

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Absolutley delighted he has made this public, and some of the people defending him can follow him to madrid. Boggles my mind the circus he has been that people think he is worth the hastle.

Club bent over for him and were rightly shafted for it
 

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I am just waiting those calm and collected pricks to pop out from somewhere and start floating above us.
 

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We built our team around Pogba.

The midfield was built to get the most out of him. The left wing was built to get the most out of him. The RW was deployed in a free role to get the most out of him.

Ole admitted as much.

Those stats are good, but pretty much what you'd expect from a decent #8/#10 hybrid who plays in front of two DMs and who takes all the penalties.

Pogba's one of the most talented players in the world, but he's far from replaceable.
i'd agree with your post but for this part in bold which seems like madness to me. I'm pretty sure he would have loved a competent right winger to switch play for. His passing would have been even more on display