Nah, just a thought.Is that the narrative being pushed now? It’s all just an act?
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He’s one of the few people in the world who looks even thicker wearing glasses.
Guess that’s quite an achievement.
Guess that’s quite an achievement.
It's funny you should say that as i'm reliably informed Keano was just out of shot in the kitchen cooking erm, BEANZ
Rashford was a hard worker at school and did well academically.
Can't wait for us to see us sign Sancho and then seeing our fans criticize him for his SM activity. These are 20 something guys (Sancho not even 20), they will do something stupid, hell nearly everyone of us has done something stupid at their age, and probably our feck ups were way bigger than what these guys are doing.
Not defending their SM activity and how right or wrong it is, but if they like to do goofy stuff like that and are fine sharing it with fans, who are we to judge.
Not defending their SM activity and how right or wrong it is, but if they like to do goofy stuff like that and are fine sharing it with fans, who are we to judge.
Right, that was before he became super-mates with Lingard.
That by itself possibly diminished his IQ by half, I hope the damage isn’t permanent.
Except that Sancho is actually good at the football thing.
Wait, so if someone isn't WC at their job, they dont have right to enjoy, especially during their holidays?
Football shouldn’t be viewed as a regular job, it should be their life, their passion, like a classical musician where he dedicates his life to his profession.
I can’t ever imagine myself ever posting this cringey nonsense if I was playing for a completely horrific Mancheter United team, a huge club, an important club, being apart of the decline wouldn’t even for a single second bring to a state of acting like a complete idiot on social media on a weekly if not daily basis.
He can do that all he wants if he stops associating his account with Manchester United, he represents something when he puts the name of the club in his social media account, but if he did that no one would give a shite about his account.
His entire brand is built upon him playing in the shirt that Cantona, Scholes, Beckham and Ronaldo won the lot wearing.
It’s an absolute joke and makes a mockery of the great players who played for this club with real passion and contempt for failing, like the Liverpool and City players are doing.
Feck sake
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Lingard's behavior off the pitch isn't the problem. If United is unhappy with his performances, he should be sold. I find it weird how people almost 'demand' someone to behave in a certain way because results aren't good. If results aren't good, go ahead and sell him. But let's not 'bully' someone into behaving the way you prefer.
He's about as productive as well.
No way! Every player and their personality is different. As long as their off field antics don't bring disrepute to the club, which they aren't and their performances aren't dropping because of this, which I don't think is, what he does in his spare time is none of our concern. He's 26. If he doesn't live his life now, when will he? You can't expect someone to just be a robot and hit the gym and think about football on his off days.
Again, I don't like his posts as well, but that's not grounds for us to criticize. Yes, if you are to criticize him for becoming complacent that he has made it into the big league, that's a separate issue and I'd agree with you there.
I wonder if our fans would have criticized George Best for his lavish lifestyle or maybe Beckham had social media existed then. On one side, fans complain that we're growing further from players, our idols and all and that they should connect more with us, about what they are in real life, and on the other hand we complain about enjoying their lives during their vacations
George Best and David Beckham were world class players who won big trophies playing for Manchester United.
If he was a part of a successful United team no one would give a damn, but when you act like a complete clown on a weekly basis, when the state of the club you’re playing for isn’t great to say the lease, just gives the impression that you don’t give a real damn about it.
If he wasn’t associating his account with the club I wouldn’t have cared, but when he does, he also represents the club to an extent.
I'm pretty sure they did, in Beckham's case definitely, and ultimately it was his celebrity lifestyle that saw him sold.
But there's a fairly big reason why comparisons between them and Lingard dont make a very strong argument.
After the rotten season we've had and seeing two of our biggest rivals winning the CL and PL respectively, knowing we are nowhere near their level, any other player would be keeping their head down working hard behind the scenes, or at least look like they are doing something to lift morale.
If you want to be a clown, do it with the cameras off instead of embarrassing yourself and the club like this.
Nothing wrong with youthful exuberance (even though he's 26) and in fact it's encouraged; but to do it so publicly with the club in the position it's in is just downright disrespectful. It would be a different story had he achieved something this season. This is not the way to win the fans over, who will just think he's taking the piss.
If you want to be a clown, do it with the cameras off instead of embarrassing yourself and the club like this.
Nothing wrong with youthful exuberance (even though he's 26) and in fact it's encouraged; but to do it so publicly with the club in the position it's in is just downright disrespectful. It would be a different story had he achieved something this season. This is not the way to win the fans over, who will just think he's taking the piss.
This is not a knee-jerk post, but something I've thought about for many seasons now, but it's come to head in recent times. I've just never articulated it.
I'm 42, so pretty much out of the SM demographic - but I feel totally disenfranchised from this group of players. Not just Lingard or Rashford, but the vast majority of our team - they display a glaring and jarring amount of immaturity for their age. There is not one 'adult man' among them somehow. There is no grit, hunger or desire to work for the club, the fans or anything other than their own image and next SM post.
You look at Keane, Robson, Stam, Vidic, Bruce, Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Irwin, Rooney (when younger), Scholes, Ruud VN - they were the same ages as most of our current bunch when they were signed - but they were tough, no nonsense, hard working players. Even the class of 92, whilst young, had an inner maturity to them when they came into the team, and they *worked* for everything they got.
Maybe times have changed (and yes I also see it in society), but our current team makes me cringe on so many levels. WTF is this 'Beanz' rubbish, Rashford pushing for 350k a week when he is just starting his career, Pogba moaning for the last 3 years, DDG complaining about only being offered 300k+ per week - the kind of money fans can only dream about.
Maybe I'm falling out of love with football, but I don't seem to see the same behavior in other clubs - Spurs? Chelsea? Liverpool? they seem much more stable and 'mature' as teams. If I were Ole I'd ditch the lot of them and start again.
I don't think we've ever been further from the phrase Sir Matt Busby said to Bobby Charlton: "All those lads you see going to the factory in Trafford Park, they come to watch you on Saturday," Busby told Charlton. "They have boring jobs, so you have to give them something they will enjoy."
We've forgotten our history, and I fear that we are in for a long spell in the wilderness until we rebuild from the ground up.
I'm 42, so pretty much out of the SM demographic - but I feel totally disenfranchised from this group of players. Not just Lingard or Rashford, but the vast majority of our team - they display a glaring and jarring amount of immaturity for their age. There is not one 'adult man' among them somehow. There is no grit, hunger or desire to work for the club, the fans or anything other than their own image and next SM post.
You look at Keane, Robson, Stam, Vidic, Bruce, Cantona, Hughes, McClair, Irwin, Rooney (when younger), Scholes, Ruud VN - they were the same ages as most of our current bunch when they were signed - but they were tough, no nonsense, hard working players. Even the class of 92, whilst young, had an inner maturity to them when they came into the team, and they *worked* for everything they got.
Maybe times have changed (and yes I also see it in society), but our current team makes me cringe on so many levels. WTF is this 'Beanz' rubbish, Rashford pushing for 350k a week when he is just starting his career, Pogba moaning for the last 3 years, DDG complaining about only being offered 300k+ per week - the kind of money fans can only dream about.
Maybe I'm falling out of love with football, but I don't seem to see the same behavior in other clubs - Spurs? Chelsea? Liverpool? they seem much more stable and 'mature' as teams. If I were Ole I'd ditch the lot of them and start again.
I don't think we've ever been further from the phrase Sir Matt Busby said to Bobby Charlton: "All those lads you see going to the factory in Trafford Park, they come to watch you on Saturday," Busby told Charlton. "They have boring jobs, so you have to give them something they will enjoy."
We've forgotten our history, and I fear that we are in for a long spell in the wilderness until we rebuild from the ground up.
good post. Thing is, the club have allowed it to happen with weak leadership. The very top of the club are happy with mediocrity as long as they get paid, the players have merely followed suit. Spoil a child, raise a brat
Worse than that, they've actively encouraged it. Lingard being pushed to the front of MUTVs coverage of the 99 commemoration match.. Really? On the back of his 5 goal season!?
Funny thing is he is the dullest awkward speaker when asked a serious question
He's only 12 mate, give him a chance!
Compare him with class of 92 who at about exactky his age were winning the treble with each Contributing match winning performance levels. Beckham was wearing a sarong and I hardly cared less. Lingard can beatbox about every tinned food on the shelf in his own time, or in public when his performances look remotely competentIt's so pathetic you have to laugh
Precisely.
He's only a year younger than Salah, Mane, Neymar, KdB and VVD. Look at how the above players represent themselves on and off the pitch (maybe ignoring Neymar), and then look at Lingard. One group have something to shout about, and display match winning and leadership qualities, and the other makes a video beatboxing the word 'Beans' repeatedly.
This is exactly what is wrong with our club at present. Infuriating.
Proper good post that.
I’m in my 30’s and feel the same.
But then I’ve never been into social media or acting like a complete retard purely for attention. The absolute cheek and lack of self-awareness most players display these days is shocking. And I reckon the type of rugged professionalism we appreciated for so long under Fergie would be an alienating force in most dressing rooms today.
It’s all gone soft.
Lack of thought using these two as the "face" of United. It's an extending of the lack of thought on how the upper management running this Club over the years.
Finished 6th? meh..
You don't compare him to those players, you compare him with Tom Cleverley.It's so pathetic you have to laugh
Precisely.
He's only a year younger than Salah, Mane, Neymar, KdB and VVD. Look at how the above players represent themselves on and off the pitch (maybe ignoring Neymar), and then look at Lingard. One group have something to shout about, and display match winning and leadership qualities, and the other makes a video beatboxing the word 'Beans' repeatedly.
This is exactly what is wrong with our club at present. Infuriating.
If United don't need him anymore, that's when He realizes just how lucky He was and then He'll join Hull City.
Exactly. No one would give a shit if he was doing this kinda stuff on the back of him winning something. But he struts about line some kind of football legend social media God when he has no right to do so. It just doesn't put him in a good light. There are certain responsibilities that come with being a United player and he is laughably far away from fulfilling them.
But Lingard doesn't think that he is some kind of football legend social media God. This is just how he is. This is his personality. Should he not be himself?
Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but if I was Lingard I'd be spending this summer having a long hard look at myself thinking about the season I've just had. I'd be devastated looking at my rivals having record-breaking seasons and looking to do everything to put things right. Not making stupid videos and putting them out there for the world to see. If a Liverpool or City player did that, I'd understand.
He can certainly be himself, just keep it private and don't rub the fans' faces in it who are still reeling from the shit season and preparing for another one unless things change rapidly.
To his credit, Cleverley at least worked hard and kept himself out of the spotlight. He just wasn't talented enough.
Lingard isn't good enough, yet still unnecessarily brings all this attention to himself.
Yes, He worked hard at the beginning but He also promoted his clothing brand when He thought "He'd made it" - very similar to Lingard. He should have focused on developing himself instead. He seems to regret it now though and I feel kinda sorry for him. He became a scapegoat as well. People will turn into Lingard easily once They get fed up with him stinking the place.
I like to use curse words and make fun of everyone when I'm around my mates, that's part of my personality - one which I can control.
But that doesn't necessarily mean I'll do it on twitter (for attention) or record a video of me swearing and send it to people online. Why? firstly, I'm employed - my company isn't huge like ManUnited but I don't want to be seen as an uneducated prick because I work as a professional, secondly there's a place and time for everything, thirdly I'm no longer a 15 y.o teenager - is it really proper for someone with Lingard's age to act so immaturely?
He has a lack of self control. He wouldn't dare to do such a thing if He was never a ManUnited player. He simply loves attention. Rashford, keep yourself away. It does feck all to your development and make you look like a bellend.
We don't have the power to sell him.
We also don't have the power to 'bully' him. He's not the victim. He's free to behaving whatever he wants, we are free to dislike that. It's that simple.
Many might not agree, but footballers paid that much have a responsibility to fans. They make great money, have a lifestyle of pure fantasy and can do literally anything they want with their spare time and money. They will get away with even more when they are performing. Fans mostly won't care at all if a guy scorers a hattrick one day then that night is caught having an affair with three prostitutes. When you're massively underperforming, so far below the level of almost every player to have worn the shirt before you (this is not aimed at lingard but most of the squad), publicly and endlessly sharing videos of you acting like a complete tool, building your clothes brand, assigning yourself an absurd nickname and so on, is rightfully irritating to fans and are all things he can do without presenting them to everybody.
It's harsh in many ways, but could also be said to be a big part in ensuring standards are upheld at the club. Fans voices and dissent should be something players fear, not laugh in the face of. In a day of players surrounded by yes men and agents telling them they can do anything they want and player power at untold levels, it's right that fans demand a certain standard of behaviour and fair that when performances hit a certain level there is more leniency towards a player.
Fair enough - but there's not much evidence to suggest that being a bellend (or an immature clown, for that matter) actually influences your football negatively. Some of the best players ever can easily be classed as bellends (it's a broad category, after all).
Not speaking about anyone specifically but it feels to me like there are roughly two types of player.
Those for whom making it as a footballer is the end game and those for who making it as a footballer is the beginning.
Sadly i think the balance has shifted to making it as a footballer being the end game of the majority of players these days. And its money to blame, not them.
Those for whom making it as a footballer is the end game and those for who making it as a footballer is the beginning.
Sadly i think the balance has shifted to making it as a footballer being the end game of the majority of players these days. And its money to blame, not them.
I don't think he's a bad person or he's trying to wind people up. However, like most of our players, they live in their own bubble and part of that is not caring about optics. These guys are surrounded by people who tell them how fabtastic they're. Just look at the post by Martial's agency? And It's why I don't like this bunch. They're care little about anything more than their own performances.
As for this post, I can't get mad. I want him out of the club, not for this stuff but because he's not good enough.
As for this post, I can't get mad. I want him out of the club, not for this stuff but because he's not good enough.
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I think this is essentially how we all feel about this, well said.
To be fair to Lingard, I don’t think he underperformed. That’s just his level.
He’s just at a club where his talent doesn’t match the clubs ambitions.
I’m using the word “ambition” lightly here because the club isn’t showing enough of it to achieve what we as fans aspire to.
Obviously, Man Utd club doesn't have a problem with the ultra-rich footballers s**t-posting on social media unless of course it leads to controversies.
Else this would have been nipped in the bud. But the United social media probably goes by any publicity is good publicity.
Not so much when you've just finished 6th and become a laughing stock. I doubt the club would want the supporters (especially the season ticket holders) to think these are the kind of players They pay to watch, not with his ability + antics.
If Lingard leaves Manchester tomorrow, the only person who'd miss him is his mum.
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Also Rashy.