Marcus Rashford in talks with Manchester United over new long-term deal

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Image rights and loyalty bonus are his basic wage they're not an incentivised bonus for good performance on the pitch just because you split them out.
They are not basic wage, they are also bonus but not related to performance. You complete 1 year, you get loyalty bonus, if player leaves without completing that particular year, he won't get one.

It's base wages + loyalty bonus + image rights + Performance related bonus + team related bonus. At least going by contract leaks, this is how it's reported.
 

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They are not basic wage, they are also bonus but not related to performance. You complete 1 year, you get loyalty bonus, if player leaves without completing that particular year, he won't get one.

It's base wages + loyalty bonus + image rights + Performance related bonus + team related bonus. At least going by contract leaks, this is how it's reported.
It doesn't matter how it's reported thats just pedantics. When people are disgusted at the wages they don't care how the non-performance related criteria is reported they care what's fair earnings overall.

Image rights are guaranteed and as for loyalty bonus it's basically fulfil this contract you're getting (and you don't even have control over that) and you'll get paid which sounds an awful lot like a salaried wage.

If it's 150k per week for non performance related and then the rest is performance tied that would be on the high side but fair if we're expecting him to be our key striker with 20 plus goals.
 

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I haven’t read the article, so for all I know it could be full of bs but to be fair to Ducker, editors put the headlines up, not journalists.
 

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It doesn't matter how it's reported thats just pedantics. When people are disgusted at the wages they don't care how the non-performance related criteria is reported they care what's fair earnings overall.

Image rights are guaranteed and as for loyalty bonus it's basically fulfil this contract you're getting (and you don't even have control over that) and you'll get paid which sounds an awful lot like a salaried wage.

If it's 150k per week for non performance related and then the rest is performance tied that would be on the high side but fair if we're expecting him to be our key striker with 20 plus goals.
What is fair earning? Why should average fan care about it when they have no idea how the contract is structured?

Again, anyone knows what's the base salary and how much is the bonus? Telegraph report itself said "The contract is understood to be heavily incentivised" so where is this assumption that what money is base salary and how much is performance bonus coming from?

You just came up with random number 200K + bonus earlier and now you are setting up some sort of fair deal saying if his contract is 150K + 150K (performance bonus) then yeah it's a fair deal.

Once Martial signed huge contract, this was always on the cards. Again, unless his contract is leaked, no one knows just like how Lukaku had 4.5 million bonus for scoring + assisting 50 goals, which he will never get at ManUtd. For all we know, his contract is linked to ManUtd winning major trophies and him scoring shit loads of goals, if that's the case he deserves whatever he gets.
 

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Football is fecked to be honest, Rashford holds all the cards in this situation. He has 12 months left and he can demand what he wants otherwise he will walk away and get it elsewhere and we end up with nothing for a player who could one day become a top class player.

City have a similar situation gathering momentum with Sane, they will either have to get rid of treble his wage or he will happily go home to Germany and play for Bayern.
 

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so where are those who ranted against Rooney now? Prediction: Rashford will not overtake Rooney's goal haul. He's good but how is his not the same as "being held to ransom" Wayne?
 

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You genuinely going to compare De Ligt to Rashford? De Ligt is looking like a real star in the making, in fact you could genuinely say he is already world class, he's a leader and he is just 19. Potentially a once in a generation player. Rashford.. well he isn't even the best young attacker at the club.

If Rashford played for West Ham there would be very little if any noise about him and he would be earning no more than about 40k a week.

By the way I think 300k is too much for De Ligt, but it's a lot more understandable than Rashford 200k plus..
Nowhere have I tried to compare the two as players or prospects, just pointing out the hypocrisy of people losing their heads paying rashford 200k as he is so young vs how people were saying “oh well” at paying De Ligt 300 at 19.
 

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It doesn't matter how it's reported thats just pedantics. When people are disgusted at the wages they don't care how the non-performance related criteria is reported they care what's fair earnings overall.

Image rights are guaranteed and as for loyalty bonus it's basically fulfil this contract you're getting (and you don't even have control over that) and you'll get paid which sounds an awful lot like a salaried wage.

If it's 150k per week for non performance related and then the rest is performance tied that would be on the high side but fair if we're expecting him to be our key striker with 20 plus goals.
Is it fair? He's never scored 20 plus goals before. We can't just approximate how many he scores from a season down the middle and then contractually oblige ourselves to pay that.

I'd have much preferred a big bonus feature if he gets to 20 plus goals and a basic weekly salary outside that.
 

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This is in principle nothing but a description of where he currently finds himself as a footballer. No doubt, he is more advanced at this stage of his career than Greenwood but he is still 'potential' in my eyes. Not good enough to be leading our forward line if we really wanna win the majors.
I agree. I don't think he a 20-25 goal a season player, and that's what we need.
 

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I wonder what criteria they are in order to reach 300k?
Lets say:
- 150k base salary
- additional 35k per week if scored 20 goals
- additional 35k per week if scored 30 goals
- additional 40k per week if finish top 4
- additional 40k per week if winning a major trophy (Premier league, FA Cup, or Europa league)
Believe it would be 200K of Basic + Image right. Add 50K if qualified for CL, Add up to 50K if we win League, CL or Cup.

The club might learnt its lesson and converted a big chunk of the Basic wage to Loyalty bonus. Say Pogba has 3.78m (equivalent to 72K/week) as Loyalty bonus, such that if he asks for transfer he forfeit it.
 

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Why do people even care? Football wages are ridiculous whether they are 50k a week or 300k a week. In the end, they are just kicking a ball around and getting paid absurd amounts either way.

You have no power over how money is spent because it is not yours, so why are people bothered so much by it? I don't think it is a major issue how much they are paid so long as Manutd can afford it.
 

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Why do people even care? Football wages are ridiculous whether they are 50k a week or 300k a week. In the end, they are just kicking a ball around and getting paid absurd amounts either way.

You have no power over how money is spent because it is not yours, so why are people bothered so much by it? I don't think it is a major issue how much they are paid so long as Manutd can afford it.
Spot on.
 

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Why do people even care? Football wages are ridiculous whether they are 50k a week or 300k a week. In the end, they are just kicking a ball around and getting paid absurd amounts either way.

You have no power over how money is spent because it is not yours, so why are people bothered so much by it? I don't think it is a major issue how much they are paid so long as Manutd can afford it.
We care because it fecks up our wage structure, because it makes it almost impossible to sell players if they end up being poor or average for us.
There are some people here who assume that the higher ups in the club actually know what they’re doing, it’s been proven wrong time and time again over the last 6 years.
 

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Why do people even care? Football wages are ridiculous whether they are 50k a week or 300k a week. In the end, they are just kicking a ball around and getting paid absurd amounts either way.

You have no power over how money is spent because it is not yours, so why are people bothered so much by it? I don't think it is a major issue how much they are paid so long as Manutd can afford it.

I think the key issue with the money is the greed and lack of loyalty you now get out of a player.
 

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Buying Sanchez has had such negative side effects. Just highlights the need to have strong principles and guidelines that you follow in all circumstances.
 
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