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Pogba Future
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FFS this is like the magic loogie from Seinfeld.
You think there was a second spitter?
That our woes will end with Pogba leaving.
Which I don't think anyone has stated that, but the woes may lessen with him leaving(assuming we used the money well - which is a big ask atm tbf).
1) we wont magically improve with him gone. Our main problems lie elsewhere
2) hes not going to continue to struggle for consistency in a big team
Off camera, definitely.
Just asking, as there seemed to be some different take on this on the Transfer Window pod. Did we pay 89m to Juve and Juve then pay Raiola 40m or did we pay 89m + tens of millions to Raiola? How much did we pay all in all for him?
it was £89 million from our part and Juve had to pay Raiola around £20-£25 million because he got them Pogba almost for free in the first place and they had an agreement about it.
The thing was Juventus tried to put that extra cost on us but it wasn't happening in any way.
But it was reported that Raiola pocketed 42m from the deal. Did we definitely not pay anything to Raiola?
Juventus announced that they won 72m € net from the deal
I was talking about how Juventus had to give part of the transfer money to Raiola, but of course we must have paid him a large agent fee and the numbers you quote might be correct.
I remember there was a report from Football Leaks on the whole transfer with some interesting revelations. Could be interesting to check out what it was actually about as I can't recall it at the moment. There was something about Pogba having an offshore account to hold his money and what not, but that doesn't surprise me anymore in general when it comes to extremely rich people.
Here it says he had a deal for 50% of anything above 40m from a Juve sale, whilst United paid 16m in five instalments to Raiola. Totalling 105m. Not sure if that's correct though.
We paid 89 million. Juve paid part of that to Raiola. We paid around 16 million for brokering the deal.
OK, so it was 105m in essence, that he cost us. What did we pay Raiola for Lukaku and Zlatan, any idea?
This was the Football Leaks report I was thinking about. Has some very particular details in it about Pogba and Raiola, especially the amount of money they have generated as a whole.
No idea but no one adds agent fee as part of transfer fee. It's common for every transfer. Liverpool paid by far the highest in last 2 seasons as agent fee.
That's pretty nightmarish reading. So he's being taken advantage of by a wannabe footballer who basically owned him and was then saved by a real shark who earns almost as much as he does at his clubs.
I think it makes sense to look at the whole package when it's no longer a 10% fee but 20% or more. There is a reason the governing bodies started to look at curbing the out of control power of agents once details emerged from the Pogba deal. We effectively paid 105m.
I actually hope we're not in for de Ligt and that we never ever do business with Raiola again.
Well said.
Not necessarily. I don't think thats guaranteed with Paul from what ive seen...
After an expected initial very good 6 months or so at Real, watch when they hit a bad patch and fans look to him to create something. They will lose patience with his strolling about 10x quicker than Old Trafford ever did.
See how consistent he plays then when he's being whistled rather than cheered. After all he does appear to be a little temperamental.
In like a sum total of 10 matches all season. And definitely not in a single game with Ole after the Tottenham one.
He constantly gave the impression he wasn't trying hard enough.
For me, it's far worse to see a top drawer player do that than see an average player try and come up short.
He was consistent at Juventus wasn't he?
As far as I'm concerned, any player who makes so many people question his loyalty already has shown he doesn't have the required loyalty.
Him and his agent's press conferences this summer were the final nails in the coffin.
Him and his agent's press conferences this summer were the final nails in the coffin.
Some of that may have been helped by Vidal doing the dirty work for him and chipping in with a few goals and assists. so by him not being the sole source of creativity, it may have put less pressure on him and allowed to concentrate on his game.
I didnt watch them alot apart from the Champions League, but from ive heard yes, he had a dcent level of consistancy at Juve. But nowhere near this flawless performer as much as some people seem to remember him there. (from what im told from people who watched alot more italian footy)
My point was more about how Real fans put alot more pressure on you when under performing than Juve fans do. Im not sure Pogba has the right mentality to take this and use it as something to drive him to perform. more go the other way and sulk
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He's struggled for that consistency with France and Juve, though we'll cut him some slack since he was a kid for most of his time. He then joined us, where it was expected that consistency would finally come. It didn't.
He's now going to go Madrid and play under Zidane. A manager who by his very nature is not consistent. Who plays a variety of different formations and tactical set-ups. He's almost 27 now - he's now either at, or rapidly approaching his footballing peak and he still plays like a promising teenager. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll ever see a consistent Paul Pogba.
The 2 can't be compared. He had Vidal/Marchisio/Pirlo running the midfield behind him.
He was allowed to attack with freedom and had Sandro overlapping him every time he got the ball, he played in a functional team with world class players everywhere.
He never needed to grab the game by the neck and win it by himself like he's had to at United.
Watch out, NYC is a big city, you might get lost. No need for that, we can have argument without splashing out internet rage.
Okay, my miss on Cantona. Pogba is though still better than anything we have right now, he is probably not a very loyal lad and does not work well in a situation like this (a shame). Has Pogba said that hes team mates are shit? You are saying that Pogba has not played well enough, and not acted like a 300k player to grant him the right to want out of this club. Well fair enough, in my books that is just a matter of opinion.
I agree with you that Pogba was brought to contribute massively to bring success but it would be stupid to think that he would do it all by himself, he is just one piece of the broken puzzle which is missing many very important pieces. There has not really been a possibility of success he could have even contributed. I am wondering if he feels betrayed by the club, by the sheer incompetence to bring good players in and build a decent side. And I am not saying that Pogba has been anywhere near perfection, just that he belongs to the better ones in this team no matter how high the expectations have been towards him. I would argue that if Madrid and Juve are prepared to pay 100+ million for him I think they see too that he is a pretty decent player. I would also happily sell him and replace him if possible(hard thing to do), as he wants out and his mind is not with United.
There was no sarcasm for Maradona.
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This isn't true. In the first two years with Conte he was the one who had to work his ass off and do a lot of the "dirty" work so that Pirlo and Vidal and Marchisio wouldn't have to. With Allegri he had more freedom, but still he was a box-to-box player asked to contribute defensively almost as much as in attack.
He didn't have to run games and be everything for them, nor even consistently be their game winner, but he was never an Ozil-type attacking mid who didn't do anything outside the final third. He was an extremely complete player who contributed heavily to every facet of the game and was excellent if not downright great at nearly everything.
But from a superstar, best-player-on-the-pitch-in-every-game-leader-carrying-the-team, sure, he was "inconsistent". In truth he had a relatively poor spell early on in his final season there, with a largely new team and playing next to Padoin and Hernanes in midfield, when he was tasked with being everything, like what happened at United. Mostly though the criticism was down to him playing too much like a playground kid than a professional footballer
The player has done nothing wrong?
Unfortunately, I no longer hope we do.
Won’t last a season without Madrid fans calling for his head. Couple of games v Barca where he’s invisible will do it, after he makes the best YouTube compilation ever against lower half rubbish
1) No we won't, but it'll be like a cloud has been lifted. There's so much ill feeling towards him, it'll be good to have a united fanbase that can get behind the team and not have to be embarrassed by their antics.
2) I don't think most will care what he does elsewhere. I certainly won't. I have no doubt he'll at least have spells of being fantastic if he were to move to La Liga or Serie A. But I think we can all agree that he won't ever hit his peak here. He'd have to love playing here, which he doesn't, and he'd have to have top quality all around him to give him freedom. We're at least a few years away from that.
Good luck Paul I wish you well!
I really do not get this obsession with hoping Madrid fans boo him . A lot you are like jilted lovers
I saw most of his games at Juve and he was consistently average.
There was absolutely nothing which would cause anyone to think he would become a world record transfer fee, and I was in disbelief when we paid what we did.
He didn't dominate a game like Toure or Viera usually did at their peaks, and he didn't direct a game as David Silva has done for a decade or so and we now see Eriksen doing at Spurs.
In fact, his time at Juve was nothing specially stand out, but also was nothing spectacularly poor as we've seen sometimes since he arrived at OT
The problems are with United, not him. He will be incredible for Real Madrid, I don’t know if it’s just wishful thinking from United fans that he’ll flop and get booed over there, but is certainly wouldn’t count on it.
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Fantastic! Close the thread now
Me too at least according to the cafe but I guess folks need yet another angle to rile themselves up and shit on the players
