Ex-academy lad speaks on life under Mourinho,dressing room love for Pogba and McKenna’s influence

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None if it surprises me which is why you are not going to know if it's made up pandering to what people want to hear or its real.
 

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Oh more aaa licking for Mr Pogba. Everyone loves him... I bet he doesn’t love playing with shit like Lingard, Young and about 15 others.
 

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It's a new article that sheds some light on the situation, assuming it's true. You expect people not to talk about it on a forum? How odd.
What’s left to be said at this point? Anyway, there’s more to unpack in here than Jose yet another unverified source calling Jose a prick.
 

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Ah yes, now that Pogba doesn't seem likely to be leaving we get a story out on his great influence and shit stories about Mourinho from an anonymous source. Just like we've had those stories after Moyes and LVG sacking.

Imminent DOF and new exciting players is all that's missing from this fantastic piece.
 

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This just seems a collation of various news pieces made to be something exclusive.

  • Mourinho is arrogant, hard to get along with if you're not in his good books or inner circle. I'm sure I read these exact criticisms in the media when he left Real Madrid, when he got sacked by Chelsea, when he got sacked in December.
  • McKenna is some sort of modern football whizkid. Well given his age and career progression he must have something about him.
  • Fred is the kind of player every top team needs to look at. Because someone happened to watch Shakthar beat City. And then we bought him only for him to be a bit crap, but hey we can big him up this way as a work in progress.
  • Pogba has always been seen as a good, fun loving guy.
  • Greenwood is the golden egg of the academy. He went back to college after debuting. Woah! So did Rashford and he scored twice.
 

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Fekin Mourinho apologists were quick to come here and defend him. The cheek on them. As for Pogba I'm sure he's liked, it's just that he should really shut up his fat agent.

If all this isn't just made up.
 

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Some people are framing it as blaming Mourinho for everything but the article doesnt do that.

It suggests McKenna is the man behind our big signing last summer Fred, who struggled to look worth half what we paid for him. If the point of the article is to bury Mourinho for everything, why would one of the main men at the club be given responsibility for his signing? It would be very easy to blame that on Mourinho.
 

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Fred,
Bailly,
Sanchez,
Mikhi,
Dalot,
Matic
And Lukaku

Roughly 300 million there?
And Jose didn’t “buy” a single one of them. He gave a list of names. Nothing more, nothing less. He didn’t negotiate the fees, the wages, or anything else. He didn’t even get to say who on the list he gave was more important and then he wasn’t even allowed to give a list.

You wanna talk about the team, sure, that’s all on Jose. But “the club” is under the purview of woody. And you know this. And That is the uncomfortable truth.

The club and the team were in on downward trajectory before Jose got here, and it’s continued after he left. He was a problem, but he wasn’t the only one. And you know this.
 

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Fekin Mourinho apologists were quick to come here and defend him. The cheek on them. As for Pogba I'm sure he's liked, it's just that he should really shut up his fat agent.

If all this isn't just made up.
You never disappoint mate, the master of sarcasm.
 

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Some people are framing it as blaming Mourinho for everything but the article doesnt do that.

It suggests McKenna is the man behind our big signing last summer Fred, who struggled to look worth half what we paid for him. If the point of the article is to bury Mourinho for everything, why would one of the main men at the club be given responsibility for his signing? It would be very easy to blame that on Mourinho.
When I first read the piece, and talk of "targeting" Fred, I presumed it meant for the opposition as he's so shocking and weak a player.

Then realised they were suggesting big teams target him, as in buy him!

Still - fresh slate this year! Textbook "new signing"
 

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And Jose didn’t “buy” a single one of them. He gave a list of names. Nothing more, nothing less. He didn’t negotiate the fees, the wages, or anything else. He didn’t even get to say who on the list he gave was more important and then he wasn’t even allowed to give a list.

You wanna talk about the team, sure, that’s all on Jose. But “the club” is under the purview of woody. And you know this. And That is the uncomfortable truth.

The club and the team were in on downward trajectory before Jose got here, and it’s continued after he left. He was a problem, but he wasn’t the only one. And you know this.
Jose took us backwards and wasted an insane amount of rubbish on players. Woodwood backed the manager and ended up humiliated because he put his trust in José. He’s been the worst thing to happen to this club in the last decade. Ole has to pick up the pieces now.

Before José the muppets here used to post memes of Woodwood signing players and getting transfers done no matter what. Jose completely shattered his reputation, but all Woodwood did was back him.
 

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I have read half a wikipedia page on forensic linguistics and these words:
Despite having been included in close to 15 training sessions under Mourinho
were written, not spoken.
 

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Jose took us backwards and wasted an insane amount of rubbish on players. Woodwood backed the manager and ended up humiliated because he put his trust in José. He’s been the worst thing to happen to this club in the last decade. Ole has to pick up the pieces now.

Before José the muppets here used to post memes of Woodwood signing players and getting transfers done no matter what. Jose completely shattered his reputation, but all Woodwood did was back him.
rubbish. And again, you already know this. Jose wasn’t just throwing bitch fits for no reason. Woodward has been a joke on transfers since day one with Moyes. Lvg said the same thing about Woodward. The managerial failures have hurt the team. The damage Woodward has done has been to the club. And as we can see, it’s continuing as we piss around in the market instead of getting business done earlier.

Woodward has taken us from the top footballing club in the world, to the top business club in the world. And just like moyes, lvg, and Jose, I expect ole to take the blame once this continue to go wrong.
 

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And Jose didn’t “buy” a single one of them. He gave a list of names. Nothing more, nothing less. He didn’t negotiate the fees, the wages, or anything else. He didn’t even get to say who on the list he gave was more important and then he wasn’t even allowed to give a list.

You wanna talk about the team, sure, that’s all on Jose. But “the club” is under the purview of woody. And you know this. And That is the uncomfortable truth.

The club and the team were in on downward trajectory before Jose got here, and it’s continued after he left. He was a problem, but he wasn’t the only one. And you know this.
Do you really believe in what you just wrote?
Do you really think that Mourinho "made a list" and then was not involved anymore?
What a completely stupid post. With all due respect and so on.
 

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So takeaway:

- everybody who knows even an inkling about football and Manchester United were tentative about the signing of Mourinho. Success but at what cost. And Ed Woodward not only signed him but gave him a contract EXTENSION.

- Can't blame an asshole for being himself. Blame the guy who hired then kept him on.
 

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Most of the content isn't all that surprising but it's an interesting read nonetheless. I liked the part about Pogba, it's something you can see in games too but he's one of the few who has the character to take ownership when we're struggling.
 

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And Jose didn’t “buy” a single one of them. He gave a list of names. Nothing more, nothing less. He didn’t negotiate the fees, the wages, or anything else. He didn’t even get to say who on the list he gave was more important and then he wasn’t even allowed to give a list.

You wanna talk about the team, sure, that’s all on Jose. But “the club” is under the purview of woody. And you know this. And That is the uncomfortable truth.

The club and the team were in on downward trajectory before Jose got here, and it’s continued after he left. He was a problem, but he wasn’t the only one. And you know this.
Do you really think managers don't know the (approximate) transfer fees for players even before negotiating for them? Mourinho, his staff and everyone knew how much these players would cost, and he still asked for them.

It's time to bury this "Woodward's negotiation skills" myth for good. We could have signed A. Robertson, S. Mane, Salah, Fabinho, Shaqiri, and VVD for the same fees Liverpool paid if Mourinho asked for them.
 

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oh, great. It’s you :rolleyes:
I could also manage United and make a list.
It would look something like this:
Messi
Neymar (without his c..ish parts)
Koulibaly.
De Ligt
Hazard
Busquets
....
and so on to make a world eleven.
And if Woodward and the Glazers does not get them for me its not on me?
They are just c...t owners and executives and thats the proof of the fact?
Or how does this logic of yours work?
 

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So takeaway:

- everybody who knows even an inkling about football and Manchester United were tentative about the signing of Mourinho. Success but at what cost. And Ed Woodward not only signed him but gave him a contract EXTENSION.

- Can't blame an asshole for being himself. Blame the guy who hired then kept him on.
Gave him a contract extension then never backed him after the extension which is even worse. Why extend his contract if you don’t want to give him more funds? Woodward is completely not fit for the job.
 

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Gave him a contract extension then never backed him after the extension which is even worse. Why extend his contract if you don’t want to give him more funds? Woodward is completely not fit for the job.
True.
The biggest mistake Woodwood made was hiring Mourinho. The second was extending his contract. Makes no sense to this day.
 

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Do you really think managers don't know the (approximate) transfer fees for players even before negotiating for them? Mourinho, his staff and everyone knew how much these players would cost, and he still asked for them.

It's time to bury this "Woodward's negotiation skills" myth for good. We could have signed A. Robertson, S. Mane, Salah, Fabinho, Shaqiri, and VVD for the same fees Liverpool paid if Mourinho asked for them.
then why are we always paying the “united” price? Why we are paying squad players 100s of 1000s of thousands per week? We buy for big money, yet sell of pennies. We let players contracts run down constant forcing extensions to be activated. The list goes on and on. We suck at negotiating at every level.

it’s not a myth. It’s a fact.
 

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Gave him a contract extension then never backed him after the extension which is even worse. Why extend his contract if you don’t want to give him more funds? Woodward is completely not fit for the job.
Maybe because they did exactly that with the Sanchez-transfer? And he knew that was that if we needed to sell to buy that summer. Or is that to logical?
 

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I could also manage United and make a list.
It would look something like this:
Messi
Neymar (without his c..ish parts)
Koulibaly.
De Ligt
Hazard
Busquets
....
and so on to make a world eleven.
And if Woodward and the Glazers does not get them for me its not on me?
They are just c...t owners and executives and thats the proof of the fact?
Or how does this logic of yours work?
im not getting sucked in your endless levels of cherrypicked bullshit, sorry.

Back on to the topic.
 

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True.
The biggest mistake Woodwood made was hiring Mourinho. The second was extending his contract. Makes no sense to this day.
I agree on both accounts. Its the biggest stick you can and should beat Woodward with.
That said 95 percent of the Caf wanted Mourinho. I even warmed to the idea myself and I detest the man and his type of football.
 

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Yeah it didn't go well but that's the package Mourinho brought with him, He was never famous with academy players.

Also let's not forget :
  • When Moyes brought his staffs in, there were news about how He looks like a man who knows what He wants, not under the shadow of Sir Alex. There were analysis of Phil Neville being not only a staff but also a red devil at heart, correct decision, etc etc (feck, I feel like I want to vomit now)
  • When LvG first came here, people said There were togetherness after Moyes' disaster. He controlled training sessions and appreciated the academy. At this point, people were belittling Moyes
  • When Jose first came here, people said He fixed the dressing room by letting players eat lunch together again (after being separated by LvG, apparently), players looked happy again. At this point, people were belittling LvG
  • Now... Ole is here and people talk shit about Mourinho not appreciating academy players (surprise surprise) and the players are now happy again
I might be skeptical here but these kind silly of news/interviews are only there to make money for the journalists (and to 'convince' fans that things are okay). It happens everytime We switch manager and it looks like the best decision ever, everytime.

If things go tits up, it's just a matter of time before people start belittling Ole, McKenna, Carrick. Even the same players/people. Let's see what happens next season under Ole. But I won't be holding my breath, there have been so many mistakes that a few positive things can't change the outlook of the entire thing. "Fixing" the club is always going to be a lengthy process.
Agreed on all points.
I want to see how we actually do, because since the PSG match, we showed relegation form and it culminated with drawing against one of the worst teams ever to play in the EPL and then to lose against a team which was already relegated. That's how we finished the season.
And let's not forget that it looks like we will be starting the season with basically the same team as we finished with last season + Bissaka.
On a positive note, we have won all 4 of our pre-season games, which is very positive and will help to wipe the losses we suffered at the end of last season.
 

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I agree on both accounts. Its the biggest stick you can and should beat Woodward with.
That said 95 percent of the Caf wanted Mourinho. I even warmed to the idea myself and I detest the man and his type of football.
It had us all off mate. It was easy to get swept up. At the end of the day it’s over now and we try and improve.
 

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im not getting sucked in your endless levels of cherrypicked bullshit, sorry.

Back on to the topic.
Yeah, great reply as always
I love how in this thread Ed is blameless. :D
He is not IMO.
He should have been more aggressive and got rid of Gill, Sir Alex and Sir Bobby long before today, and introduced at more progressive hierarchy at the club. With a new Board of Advisors.
DoF and all that.
Is that an easy thing to do with the history we have? Not really. Our history is our greatest strength, but also a bit of a hindrance moving forward.