Nobody wants to know who's gay or what they're getting up to in private, they want those who are gay to be able to be open with it if they want to while being treated the same as everyone else.
Gay footballers | Czech Republic international Jakub Jankto comes out as gay
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Well, but that is YOUR problem. You read something and you inserted your feelings on what you read. Believe me it's in good faith. The more we talk about someone has to say what their sexual orientations is the less normal it becomes. Why somone need to come out and say something? Why do they need to come out? They just need to live their life normally has any straight couple does.
Who cares? It's their private life
Now you've made me all curious. Was it homophobic? Were liberals blamed? Did he mention the gay agenda, or complain about having the gay shoved down his throat?
Again you're missing the point. As @Olly Gunnar Solskjær told you, it's not about forcing anyone to divulge anything, it's about gay footballers being able to be themselves openly and without judgement. Should they still prefer to keep it private, then that's their business.
Coming out doesn't neccessarily mean making a big announcement or something. They don't have to come out and specifically announce that they are gay.
Coming out can simply mean being in an openly gay relationship in the same way straight footballers are in openly straight relationships - being seen with their partner in public, being willing to casually acknowledge their sexual orientation, allowing it to be publicly known that they are gay, etc.
The fact that no high profile gay footballer has been able to do so highlights the fact that there is a problem. A problem which means that any footballer making the decision to present themselves publicly as openly gay (in the same way that straight players casually and unthinkingly present themselves as straight all the time) may well feel the need to pre-emptively make a statement acknowledging that this will inevitably be seen as a story. That optional statement isn't what coming out is about though, nor is it what posters here are looking for.
No problem with that. I just think that Gay people are being chased by both sides. the ones against but also the ones that support. It's too much pressure and it comes from everywhere
He's deleted it tbf, so it doesn't seem right to disclose his true views on the topic in question. fecking hell though, shaking my head after rereading it.
There's defo still a long way to when it comes to LGBT acceptance.
It is simply society in general and the "macho" mindset of fans and probably some players. Just read some of the comments here, or during pride month when the teams celebrate/ or try to support pride on social media. The comments are horrible. Now we all know how social media comments can go on any platform. But, if you will examine the vitriol and hate by "fans" in some cases its pretty telling. And it clearly illustrates why it is not easy for a gay player. They probably make the choice I will just stay in the closet focus on my career, make my money earn my trophies. Maybe I will be free to come out after I retire. And that's just an awful thing to think about.
We all know there are match going fans around the world that would not be supportive as well unfortunately. You hear some say well they should just be quiet about it "we don't care" what they do in private. They just don't ever want to hear about it. Think for a minute if you had to stay in the closet and always worry about "fans" finding out. Being happy and healthy mentally and physically is part of getting the best out of any player. As fans and decent human beings you should want your players to be able to have that mental openness. Be able to share their wins and losses openly with their loved ones.
It is too easy to cover basic homophobia with "I'm not against it" I just don't want to hear about it or see any of it. What do we see at the end of a season when a team just won the league and the players are celebrating a trophy? We see them posing with their families, sharing the love with the spouses, girlfriends, kids. Anyone saying just keep it to yourself is being selfish. Why can't a gay player share the same experience with his boyfriend, husband, their kids? Some would have them be less, to make themselves comfortable.
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Pissing & reproduction would probably be correct. In terms of what is normal/natural:
Wanking, doesn’t reproduce the species.
Blowjobs, ditto
Snips & contraception, man made, so not natural or normal
Tit wanks, toe jobs, anal sex...of course it’s all developments/embellishments/enhancements to the only basic necessary & normal act of fecking innit? Tits are for feeding infants, toes help balance, arses, well, you get the picture. An awful lot of human sexual behaviour isn’t normal when you think about it is it? All those ‘weird’ fetishes and so on?
Animals? Don’t generally see Monkeys teabagging each other with gas masks & gimp suits on do we down Chester Zoo?
Bum fun? Well of course you have the classic ‘mans man’ who thinks it’s great that his Missus takes it up the arse, but who is also as homophobic as you like. Very hypocritical, as apart from a few hairs, it’s exactly the same act innit? (I know) So no, heterosexual anal sex ain’t normal either.
It’s really really simple. Sticking your dick up someone’s arse is not normal behaviour & the lengths liberals will go to try and persuade everyone else that somehow it is are, quite frankly, ridiculous. I knew it wasn’t normal when I was doing it ffs! If you are happy doing it, and the other party consents that’s all that fecking matters yeah?
You might be *trying* to make the straight majority see it as normal because you are a social libertarian, it doesn’t matter. Because, it ain’t normal. It is an abuse of equipment put simply. Proven by biological design, test & result over one million years.
Or, we could go completely the other way couldn’t we? Because if a significant minority of people do an act it *must be normal* right!? Because in early human ancestory, Rape was normal, Murder was normal, Cannibalism was normal, Paedophilia was normal? And there was no means of policing society back then was there? Or any *artificial* human system for keeping order and us being a (fake) so called civilised society was there? So, nature being nature it was the law of the jungle yeah? Plenty of animals still do these things yeah?
Animals that the liberal community seem very keen on pointing to for evidence of homosexuality being natural?
Do we win any arguments if we pretend to be awful racist homophobes? Because I'm probably not above it.
This should get you banned. If we take homophobia at all seriously here you will be banned for this post.
I mean, at the very worst you’re guaranteed employment at most of our major news outlets...
*hears knocking on door*
Please, let that be a serial killer...
Please, let that be a serial killer...
I would advise any professional footballer in the UK not to come out, at present. If one does then I will be both very excited and terrified. Also, from what I've seen there is little reason to believe this 'Championship player' existed. Who knows.
I have so little interest in the debate as to whether homosexuality is normal, or a choice, or any of that shit. The thing is there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing to excuse or explain. We don't need to argue that it's totally common or that we have no choice (Born This Way can do one). Because there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.
I think there's a fair few good posts in this thread, in response to the predictable homophobia that we always get when we dare keep a topic on sexuality in the football forum for more than half an hour. I genuinely do appreciate the efforts many of you have made to engage and to educate people but to be honest I appreciate those of you who just told them to feck off more.
I have so little interest in the debate as to whether homosexuality is normal, or a choice, or any of that shit. The thing is there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing to excuse or explain. We don't need to argue that it's totally common or that we have no choice (Born This Way can do one). Because there's nothing wrong with homosexuality.
I think there's a fair few good posts in this thread, in response to the predictable homophobia that we always get when we dare keep a topic on sexuality in the football forum for more than half an hour. I genuinely do appreciate the efforts many of you have made to engage and to educate people but to be honest I appreciate those of you who just told them to feck off more.
This is some prime homophobia. And topping it all off with equating homosexuality to rape, murder and pedophilia. You're fecking disgusting. Completely and utterly reprehensible.
Whenever I read threads on here about real world issues, I always regret it. So many people stuck in the dark ages.
Homosexuality may not be your normal but it is someone else's. Stop being a dick to people who aren't just like you, you cnuts.
This thread perfectly illustrates why it's so difficult for a gay footballer to come out.
In the lower leagues, you don't have the level of separation from the public that top footballers do, and nor can you hide behind wealth. You have a much more intimate relationship with fans. Couple football tribalism to the pervasiveness of homophobia, and it is not a surprise that there are almost no openly gay professional footballers.
In the lower leagues, you don't have the level of separation from the public that top footballers do, and nor can you hide behind wealth. You have a much more intimate relationship with fans. Couple football tribalism to the pervasiveness of homophobia, and it is not a surprise that there are almost no openly gay professional footballers.
So are you saying that you think that rape is normal and it is only ‘fake so called civilised society’ that stops you from doing it?
Some absolute nut jobs on either side of the discussion to be fair
Figured as much, would've loved to see the responses though. I like to trigger discussion.
People have to consider culture and religion before making aggressive claims. For someone brought up in a conservative home, it is not completely outrageous to not think homosexuality is 100 percent OK (on a philosophical/sociocultural perspective).
As in death penalty discussions, there is no right and wrong. It depends on the individual's beliefs.
There is some truth to this. People all too often expect others who don't share their believes to adapt to their thinking overnight (no matter how right they are on the issue). Try convincing a religious person that any belief in God is stupid. I hope it will happen at some point but as I said earlier in this thread, education is a slow process and discussion should always be encouraged.
That being said, there really is no right or wrong on the issue at hand. There is no logical reason to think homosexuality should not be accepted and that has to be pointed out. It's not even about forcing people to embrace 'gay culture' (if such a thing exists). If that is not your thing, then just leave it. Noone is forcing you to like punk or goth subcultures either. But no human being has the right to tell others how to live their lives and discriminate against them based on their sexual preferences. And I would not equate it with the death penalty either. Much as I find it abhorrent and wrong, I would accept that there are arguments for it.
I'm not putting anyone's religion or beliefs ahead of my own right to exist the way I am, thanks.
Good people on both sides etc.
Mate, nobody said anything about stopping gay people from doing what they love. You think I'd start eating meat (I'm vegan) just because someone else says you have to?
Our social, demographical and economical system is based on other premises than homosexuality. This is not an argument against homosexuality though, it is rather an argument for heterosexuality.
What an absolute testicle you sound.
Oh feck off you piece of shit.
The reasons for a person's belief that homosexuality is "not 100% ok", whether religious or otherwise, are entirely irrelevant, they are wrong.
And yes, there unequivocally is right and wrong in this "debate".
What you think is right and wrong couldn't mean less to me. People have opinions and they won't change simply because someone tells them that they're wrong. I'm not against homosexuality, certainly not on an individual level. I'm against the idea that I should be OK with things because people tell me it's right.
I don't know what you mean by "on an individual level" but you very clearly have a problem with homosexuality and that makes you wrong whether you like it or not.
Go on...
50% correct
It's always really transparent when people have to clarify their arguments with "I don't think it's wrong but..."
What I mean is; whether someone is gay or not carry less important to me than what you think is right or wrong - i.e. zilch. It's their business. That doesn't change the fact that people can still have opinions about it.
E.g. I don't care if you play football during your spare time. I can still think the sport as such might have questionable elements though.
Have you played Witcher 3? Remember the dwarfs at the Gwent tournament that got pissed off because somebody had introduced a new (Skellige) deck of cards to the traditional game? Well, that's all fine and dandy but the introduction did affect the strategy for original players using the traditional decks.
Yea, those opinions you are are so desperately trying to justify are called homophobic opinions.
I understand that if you grew up in a very conservative home, homosexuality now being broadly accepted will take some getting used to.
My father was very old fashioned and although a lovely guy in most ways, he was a homophobe and a tad racist. East Yorkshire/Hull was one of the whitest places on earth in the 1970s/80s, but after moving away from there and actually mingling and working with different people, travelling etc you lose those old prejudices and realise how stupid they are.
Some of the issues you mentioned were rooted in the most deep-rooted bigotry around homosexuality, eg gay people will try and convert on the fence people etc...There is a right and wrong as far as those views are concerned.
So homosexuality has “questionable elements”...?
OK, Rado. You're 'right'.
I know.
What are you fishing for? This is the football forum and I won't have full-blown deep talks with strangers online.