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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I like how that is your only contribution to the topic.
Did you just call him a fascist?Then why are you celebrating it? Should you not be protesting it? And I am not sure, for all our faults we are turning towards democracy just as you guys are turning away from it. Enjoy living in a fascist society.
The logical leaps needed to celebrate a decision and then be proud of the fact that it will be challenged in courts
Kashmir is part of India and scrapping Art 370 is the right approach to further integrate it with rest of nation. There is no reason to continue with the special status.
Thanks. It's better to not post when you don't know much about it rather than posting nonsense. So I keep away from these discussions. Wish more people do that.
You quoted the post and can read exactly what I called him?Did you just call him a fascist?
Well that depends on who you ask?
But they are not unhappy with the end which is what you were claiming that all locals were unhappy. Even they recognize for the long term it is better. It may and will cause unrest for a month or two but it was much needed. Ofcourse the Congress will feel opposite as they never wanted it as now they lose their votebank.
If terrorists train terrorists raw material with Taliban mentality who want to keep it alive for decades, then the menace never ends,
But if you end the raw material with economic growth and development and education itself it dies down its natural death.
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May be you should look at the quality of your questions and allegations too.
Half my family is Kashmiri. So yeah, I should know.
It’s worth protection even if 1% can be violent. Or maybe you don’t understand how violence / terrorism works. Oh and if you can’t understand the situation well, maybe you should just read things to educate yourself. Clearly your mastery of global current affairs and geopolitics is sub-par.
Half my family.
Well that is why I have tried to keep myself away from the discussion about the actual bill itself. You on the other hand seem to know shit feckall but are preaching everyone as if you are the be all and end all of geopolitics
It was a fascist provision in the first place. Every level headed person should oppose any provision thats denies females statehood if they marry outside the state, can you believe it. Like I said I don't think even Citizenship to a country would have such a draconian clause built into it. And the legality will get challenged in courts, its upto the government to prove that their process was valid. I'm not really celebrating it, its not going to affect me in any way. Just like the triple talaq bill, its a move in the right direction, so I support and defend it.Then why are you celebrating it? Should you not be protesting it? And I am not sure, for all our faults we are turning towards democracy just as you guys are turning away from it. Enjoy living in a fascist society.
The logical leaps needed to celebrate a decision and then be proud of the fact that it will be challenged in courts
And yet I didnt see you once protesting the kashmir brutality over the last two years. It's funny how only steps in a certain direction count as right.
As for the rest, if you believe the process was legal you wouldn't be celebrating it in such a way. I just find it funny how you want it both ways.
Rrrright. To be transparent, I actually know the contents of both articles as well as the history of their drafting, adoption and the various challenges pending in the courts. What’s your situation on those? Anyway, don’t bother replying. When you’re down to just personal comments with abusives instead of reasoned and fact-based arguments, I am forced to tune out.
What ? You started it mate not me . You said that the majority of j&k is happy with this when you have absolutely no way of knowing that ,while on the other hand the government putting up thousands of extra forces , blocking internet and arresting leaders actually proves that the government clearly didn't think that most of the state would be happy with it.
The govt believes that the process is legal. For what it's worth, there seems to be no consensus on the legal mumbo jumbo surrounding this. Art 370 still holds good, but the presidential order under the article has been superceded with new definitions.
We're talking about Article 370, do you believe that the women of a certain state should lose their citizenship if they marry outside the state? Only women, not men mind you. Yes or No?
Honestly speaking has there been any event in history which has required all of the above and not been a human rights abuse act? I like the cognitive bias required to think that all of the above is done with the support of the Kashmiri people.
I wonder why you ignored my below post Pillow.
It must be so convenient to blame everything on foreign terrorists or pakistan. I guess that is one way to justify murder. Trump for all his faults is atleast honest about his racism.
Mounting rights abuses and political disengagement could push more young people towards militancy in Indian-administered Kashmir, residents warn, following some of the deadliest violence the troubled region has seen in a decade.
Last year was Kashmir’s deadliest since 2008 and the bloodshed has worsened since.
The Jammu Kashmir Coalition of Civil Society (JKCCS), a local rights group, says more than 586 people were killed in 2018, including militants, Indian security forces, and 160 civilians. The Indian government puts the civilian death toll at 37. This year is already threatening to surpass the last: the rights group recorded 162 total deaths from January until March.
https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/news/2019/06/11/kashmir-s-decade-high-death-toll-warning-sign
Do you honestly believe that the article is being removed because of that clause? Genuine question as I am curious how this is being sold.Did the presidential order ask the people if they are happy with it or not when they applied the 370 and 35A unilaterally?
Mate, the only issue people seem to have is with the way it was handled. Literally everyone else agree that it was the right thing to do removing it
Dont answer my question with a question. Its a stupid provision and you know it. I mean why do you you oppose it? Because it'll change the demographics? Do you realize how hypocritical it is to make that argument while being an immigrant yourself.
Sorry but this is the "I have a black friend so let me tell you" argument. I'm not discrediting what you just said. Might all be correct but still... funny.So does two wrongs make it right then ? It's a bit strange that people can't see how the government acting in such a way is not a great idea for the people. What is j&k today could be anyone else tomorrow.
Because I did not see the relevance...the what you were arguing i.e. legality of the move. From what I see from Amit Shah's statement, they have worked around the presidential orders to keep this legal.
How? Care to give an example, which other state this could happen?
Situation is unique, right? How can this apply anywhere else?
The relevance being that your "things can go back to normal" statement is incredibly ignorant? As the normal for kashmiris mean that they get killed regularly by the indian state?
its better than the my best friend is a muslim kashmiri who is very happy with it schtick that ash pulled earlier.
Why are you quoting me on something that I never said. Bitterness is running through your posts that you are making up stuffs.
Right. For what it's worth I know a guy who is a massive trump supporter and doesn't believe in universal healthcare. He's absolutely fine with it and so are his relatives. It's all good in the States!
Art 370 has been in place this long and the state has just been suffering from it. I do believe eliminating it and integrating with rest of India would improve economic situation and make people life better.
Dude don’t be dumb man. Even staunchest haters of Modi govt like Arvind Kejriwal have said that removing the article was the right thing to do.
Acting in such a way? It's debated and is being passed by parliament unlike how it was added, had they taken it to parliament back then it would never have been added.
What such a way you are talking about?
It doesn't have to be exactly what happened to j&k. The fate of the whole state changed over two hours while the people of the state were locked inside their homes with no communication and the leaders elected by them were under home arrest and had no voice in the decision.
What am I bitter about? I'm just laughing at the analogies. You talked about the "friend" of yours @midnightmare about his half family. I find it funny that's all.Why are you quoting me on something that I never said. Bitterness is running through your posts that you are making up stuffs.