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Dude don’t be dumb man. Even staunchest haters of Modi govt like Arvind Kejriwal have said that removing the article was the right thing to do.
So your response to my among the hindu population but not kashmir is to quote a hindu politician? :lol:
 

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Art 370 has been in place this long and the state has just been suffering from it. I do believe eliminating it and integrating with rest of India would improve economic situation and make people life better.
Gun laws have been in place for this long and the us has been suffering from it. I do believe the solution to this is to give a gun to everyone.
 

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Might be time to buy some land in Kashmir now. Might get rich someday.
 

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Oh I am sorry, I forgot that I can't answer your question with a question. Let me instead allow the conversation to focus on a specific point which lets us both pretend that the reason you are in favour of the rule is due to a human rights issue.

Its a provision which was agreed when kashmir agreed to join india and is being used as part of the hindutva drive sweeping india including changing the name of muslim places to hindu ones, killing people who eat beef and lynching people for not saying jai ram bs.
The funny thing is Pakistan gave this legitimacy by bringing Gilgit Baltistan under the Pakistan government. We're just taking a leaf out of your book. :D
 

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Hope this will see even more Kashmiris come down to other states to study and work. There's already quite a few doing it, this is all good for the future.
 

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It doesn't have to be exactly what happened to j&k. The fate of the whole state changed over two hours while the people of the state were locked inside their homes with no communication and the leaders elected by them were under home arrest and had no voice in the decision.
Yeah this is not the way a democracy is run. This can go either way really, but keeping the track record of the BJP government in mind, I'm not very optimistic. I really hope I'm wrong but all BJP has done is pit Hindus and Muslims against each other.
 

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Why is everyone getting there panties in a twist ? Nothing has changed on the ground, its only an internal reorganization of a state. I don't think anyone apart from India citizens should be concerned with this.
 

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It doesn't have to be exactly what happened to j&k. The fate of the whole state changed over two hours while the people of the state were locked inside their homes with no communication and the leaders elected by them were under home arrest and had no voice in the decision.
They had no voice in the decision when it was extended to them temporarily. They are not the elected leaders in power.
 

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Glad you see the funny side of living in a fascist state. Silver linings and all.
Yeah, read up on article 370, tell me why you think its good for Kashmir and then come back. No ones going to buy your 'hurr durr Indians are evil so whatever they do is evil' argument.
 

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As for house-arrest and the Army being deployed, again, these are preventive and proactive measures to prevent forces like the Hurriyat from fomenting trouble. Again, there seems to be little option - since peace and security are indeed paramount.
Textbook Fascism. The blackouts and the curfews is for the good of Kasmiris right?Disturbing that most of the nation is okay with it. Scary times.
 

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Add this to the troops deployed, journalist kicked out and people put under house arrest.
He's wrong, the article talks about the constituent assembly of the state of j&k, not the state assembly. So basically even if the state assembly gave an assent it would still be unlawful. This is all legal technicalities though.
 

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Gun laws have been in place for this long and the us has been suffering from it. I do believe the solution to this is to give a gun to everyone.
What are you on about? The two situations are very different.
 

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Yeah, read up on article 370, tell me why you think its good for Kashmir and then come back. No ones going to buy your 'hurr durr Indians are evil so whatever they do is evil' argument.
:lol: sorry to spoil your hindutva party but go ahead on pretending how this is good for kashmir and you only care about the kashmiris but not when they are being brutally murdered.

As usual back to your last resort of shit stirring. :lol: you work hard to bring every other issue into this discussion, including Trump and Gun Control, ffs. Go on....
Just pointing out how dumb your argument is.
 

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What are you on about? The two situations are very different.
I have realised that it's hard to argue with edgar when it comes to muslims and their rights so showing him the flaws in his logic by pointing out an argument in which he actually uses his brain. Alas, its futile.
 

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Textbook Fascism. The blackouts and the curfews is for the good of Kasmiris right?Disturbing that most of the nation is okay with it. Scary times.
Not just okay, you have some here arguing it's good for kashmiris. It's amazing the mental gymnastics some are capable of doing
 

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So your response to my among the hindu population but not kashmir is to quote a hindu politician? :lol:
Mate you clearly are out of your depth in this discussion. I mean you’ve essentially branded Arvind Kejriwal as an advocate of Muslim oppression. It’s idiotic beyond recognition.
 

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Textbook Fascism. The blackouts and the curfews is for the good of Kasmiris right?Disturbing that most of the nation is okay with it. Scary times.
As I asked the other poster, would you advocate for what's happening in hongkong should be allowed to happen in this case as well?
 

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There is no argument. You just refuse to consider the possibility that Kashmir without Art 370 might be better. But then why would you?
Edgar you posted that this will all just die down and things will go back to normal. The normal is horrible state of affairs for kashmiris which involve them being killed by the state indiscriminately. I don't think you are the best person to decide what counts as better.
 

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Kejriwal is absolutely terrible btw . Guy has spent the last 4 years crying about how the centre won't let his democratically elected government work but now supports the government in making j&k a UT. What an opportunistic wanker
 

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Edgar you posted that this will all just die down and things will go back to normal. The normal is horrible state of affairs for kashmiris which involve them being killed by the state indiscriminately. I don't think you are the best person to decide what counts as better.
Kashmir will finally return to normalcy after decades of violence.
 

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Kejriwal is absolutely terrible btw . Guy has spent the last 4 years crying about how the centre won't let his democratically elected government work but now supports the government in making j&k a UT. What an opportunistic wanker
All of them are.
 

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As I asked the other poster, would you advocate for what's happening in hongkong should be allowed to happen in this case as well?
What do you mean? If the populace is so against this situation like Hong Kong surely this is a bad idea? For how long can you deploy the army and prevent the citizens from voicing their opinions?
 

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So before they joined india? Wonder what is the common factor in those decades of violence.

And what is the basis for this grand proclamation of yours?
We've argued history before and I have no interest in rehashing it now. What matters is issue at hand.

I believe revoking 370 is step to eliminate the ambiguity in that region and will benefit Kashmir in resolving violence and improving economic situation of people.
 

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The normal is horrible state of affairs for kashmiris which involve them being killed by the state indiscriminately
Only those will be killed which hold normal people of Kashmir hostage by entering their homes with guns on their heads. Out of jobs Taliban Terrorists, which Pakistan with the Taliban peace truce will divert in Kashmir.
 
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There's been reports of people celebrating in Ladakh so they're definetely welcoming the move. Not sure about the Kashmiris. Let's see either this will be remembered as a masterstroke or blunder. No middle ground.
 

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Anyone got reasons for UT status(with Legislative Assembly) for J&K instead of being a state? UT for Ladakh makes sense.
Only read Amit Shah mention that state status can be reviewed later.
Law and order apparatus will be completely under Amit Shah, just like Delhi for example.
 

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Don't be so sure. Once the Himalayan Glazers are gone, Kashmir will be nothing but wasteland.
Yes, thats the reason I won't be buying anything in Kashmir. Not because I don't have money.
 

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Good informative video on technicalities and history around article 370 (and in English). Nehru really was a snake ffs.
 

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Why the feck are non-Indians even concerned with this? A democratically elected government decided to regard a troubled state part of India as equal to every other state! What is wrong with that? The only thing you can debate is the manner in which they pulled it off, but as many have said before me, it had to be done in a matter of hours, which isn't possible as the opposition (no matter who it is Congress or BJP) will debate any bill with non-sensical points.