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Pretty sure he was directly accused by someone but she was completely unreliable and probably a plant to muddy the waters. Trump has plenty of plants out there already muddying the waters for him with his links to Epstein, and claiming he disavowed him etc etc. Tbf the feds said Trump helped a lot with the first arrest. I just don't trust Trump in the slightest and I believe he was party to this stuff. Clinton, there's no argument at all, the black book is there, he did this shit and people covered for him.
The thing with Trump is that there's the pussy tape and other accusations too which seem more credible than whatever has come out here.
Btw, it's quite amazing that "Trump knew of an international paedophile ring but didn't necessarily participate in it" is being taken as an exoneration.
 

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Pretty sure he was directly accused by someone but she was completely unreliable and probably a plant to muddy the waters. Trump has plenty of plants out there already muddying the waters for him with his links to Epstein, and claiming he disavowed him etc etc. Tbf the feds said Trump helped a lot with the first arrest. I just don't trust Trump in the slightest and I believe he was party to this stuff. Clinton, there's no argument at all, the black book is there, he did this shit and people covered for him.
I had a read of some of the docs yesterday and didn’t come across anything significant with Clinton but I only read a small amount.
 

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His first attempt at suicide was after he received more criminal charges I think. The case in Florida always implicated these other people but he didn’t attempt suicide then. Prince A was implicated 10 yrs ago.
His first attempt was a mafia-backed former cop attacking him and trying to murder him because.. reasons.

Prince A has always been out there but this would be the first time official docs name him, with the Giuffre disclosure
 

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A billionaire with rumoured shady connections to not just Trump, Clinton but the British Royal family and dozens of other power elites around the world has been on suicide watch since July. This should not have been impossible and is absolutely going to fuel conspiracies from the left, right and center for the next decade.
 

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His first attempt was a mafia-backed former cop attacking him and trying to murder him because.. reasons.

Prince A has always been out there but this would be the first time official docs name him, with the Giuffre disclosure
These disclosures now are from the case 10.yrs ago.

There’s absolutely no evidence that anyone tried to murder him when he first was in prison...it’s just rumour.
 

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These disclosures now are from the case 10.yrs ago.

There’s absolutely no evidence that anyone tried to murder him when he first was in prison...it’s just rumour.
Two of the four sources identified the former police officer as Nicholas Tartaglione, who was arrested in Dec. 2016 for killing four men in a drug distribution conspiracy, NBC said citing court documents.
There's no way he committed suicide mate. Look at his money. Look at his sudden emergence as a billionaire. This stinks to high heaven of a blackmail operation.
 

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I don't think there's a direct accusation against Trump in this (other than him knowing) his there is against Bill, and he's by a big distance the highest profile over directly accused.
There was a rape case against Trump from one of the girls but she backed down after threats against her life. It was just before the election.
 

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The collective relief by those involved with him could be heard from miles away.
 

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Ya, I was referring to this line unsealed* yesterday

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-biggest-bombshells-in-newly-unsealed-jeffrey-epstein-documents
It's a line that tends to stick in the memory.

In a deposition, Giuffre says that Epstein told her that he was friends with Trump, but that she never witnessed the president and Epstein together. “Donald Trump never flirted with me,” she testified, and added that she didn’t see him have sex with girls at Epstein’s homes.
Looks like I was wrong on Clinton being named from yesterday's stuff, might be getting mixed up.


*I saw it yesterday in a tweet thread of unsealed documents
That's different from a tweet I read, purporting to show the actual deposition, in which Giuffre said Trump didn't screw, but did flirt (It's the second tweet, I have no idea how to separate them). Also details a certain link with Clinton that seems pretty suspicious.

 

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Also not a coincidence this happened on Friday, the typical slow news day that they release information they want dead by Monday.
From reddit.
 

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There's no way he committed suicide mate. Look at his money. Look at his sudden emergence as a billionaire. This stinks to high heaven of a blackmail operation.
I agree that is very suspicious and I would be surprised if it was a genuine suicide but at the moment we have no facts that suggest otherwise. It’s corrupt to the core and we need full disclosure on the info that they retrieved from his house. There are vids and photos galore.
 

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Flew on his plane many a time, can't remember if he ever went to Lolita Island though.
I believe both Bill Clinton and one of the British Princes was on that island more than once
 

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Its been known that Epstein had gathered dirt on the others who were involved in this stuff. Lets hope he had a plan to get that stuff in to the public domain as he would have been well aware that many powerful people would want him dead.
 

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I read somewhere that Trump had him barred from Mar-a-Logo in the early 2000s and helped investigators out in the previous investigation.
 

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Its been known that Epstein had gathered dirt on the others who were involved in this stuff. Lets hope he had a plan to get that stuff in to the public domain as he would have been well aware that many powerful people would want him dead.
Not sure about 'known'. It's thought by conspiracy theorists that he did. Seems much more likely that he was on the side of everyone else, but obviously had information that he could divulge once arrested to lessen his sentence.
 

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Its been known that Epstein had gathered dirt on the others who were involved in this stuff. Lets hope he had a plan to get that stuff in to the public domain as he would have been well aware that many powerful people would want him dead.
He has 4 more properties for the FBI to investigate yet. As per my post above there is now no-one now who can challenge the search warrants for his properties.
 

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Not sure about 'known'. It's thought by conspiracy theorists that he did. Seems much more likely that he was on the side of everyone else, but obviously had information that he could divulge once arrested to lessen his sentence.
He filmed everything in his properties. Cameras in every room that even filmed people going to the bathroom. The FBI knew this because they told one of his victims about it. (That was in the docs that were disclosed yesterday).
 

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Nine of out ten people who attempt suicide and survive, do not go on to complete suicide at a later date.
 

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Whether it was suicide or whether he was Max Clifforded, any truly damaging info about high-profile others Epstein may have possessed would've been 'managed' anyway. Let's not fool ourselves here - this is how the world works, regrettably.
 

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Not sure about 'known'. It's thought by conspiracy theorists that he did. Seems much more likely that he was on the side of everyone else, but obviously had information that he could divulge once arrested to lessen his sentence.
Even dime store and dime bag criminals know to gather collateral information as backup plans and protection. No way Epstein at his level wasn't doing it.
 

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Even dime store and dime bag criminals know to gather collateral information as backup plans and protection. No way Epstein at his level wasn't doing it.
Is there anything known about the blackmail material Epstein presumably possesses? Have his properties been searched already?
 

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Is there anything known about the blackmail material Epstein presumably possesses? Have his properties been searched already?
He had too much time. I doubt any search would reveal anything. If it was me, I would have had redundancies in anonymous security boxes in places like Switzerland, sealed with completely random unknown small town lawyers through anonymous intermediaries or someone 100% trustworthy (if such a person exists in that world). I personally wouldn't have kept anything that important in somewhere obvious like my known mansion in Florida.

Then there was this report from January where his private island had a massive fire:
https://cloverchronicle.com/2019/01...-island-owned-by-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein/

This is why I think keeping him alive was so important. No way will we ever know everything he did now.
 

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If it was suicide watch ,there should be camera footage surely .
 

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The shit this guy must have known about the powerful people in US politics...

Kubrick, Eyes Wide Shut levels
 

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The description of this guy as a ‘billionaire’ by people in the media and in this thread been bothering me for weeks, because from what I can tell there’s not actually any reason to believe he was in fact a bilionaire.

It’s as weird as calling someone who’s worth 300k a ‘millionaire’. But I guess it just has such a nice ring to it.
 

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The description of this guy as a ‘billionaire’ by people in the media and in this thread been bothering me for weeks, because from what I can tell there’s not actually any reason to believe he was in fact a bilionair.

It’s as weird as calling someone who’s worth 300k a ‘millionaire’. But I guess it just has such a nice ring to it.
From what I can tell his finances in general were smoke and mirrors, and he performed few actual financial services. His money cropped up all of a sudden from somewhere. For some purpose.
 

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The thing with Trump is that there's the pussy tape and other accusations too which seem more credible than whatever has come out here.
Btw, it's quite amazing that "Trump knew of an international paedophile ring but didn't necessarily participate in it" is being taken as an exoneration.


Extraordinary times :eek:
 

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Couldn't help but laugh when i saw the news, courts didn't do him justice so he got what he deserved.
 

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Can't wait to see Trump's photo-op reaction to this news: smiley thumbs-up & 'warmest condolences'.