Will the club ever call Gary Neville out on his bs?

[mariachi-19]

We've seen time and time again, Gary Neville opens his mouth and doesn't know when to shut up.

This is not about being a Glazer apologist but about a former player that is continually harbouring ill feelings about our club to the wider public in order to benefit his own brand/image in the media.

Irrespective of whether posters agree with this or not, his ridiculous rant at Pogba on Monday night may not have been racial, but it added fuel to the fire amongst disgruntled United fans and alot of who probably don't have the mental foresight (or intelligence) to think about what they say. Accordingly, when he stirs the pot like this, fans are inevitably going to voice their opinion and it simply adds to the negativity which has surrounded our club since the Fraudulent one decided to open his mouth last summer and throw his toys out of the pram.

Further, he has continually sprouted his opinion about the management of Manchester United (rhetoric about appointing best in class and directors of football and repeat). This is a former footballer talking about the management and organisation of a large company. Based on his credentials, he has absolutely no right in commenting on this. Simply being part owner of a lower league club and a hotel, does not give you the right to tell the CEO of a near billion pound a year organisation that he's not doing his job correctly. He can criticise the manager and the transfer policy, but questioning the decision of the management of the club surrounding its running is outside his expertise.

 

[GiddyUp]

We've seen time and time again, Gary Neville opens his mouth and doesn't know when to shut up.

This is not about being a Glazer apologist but about a former player that is continually harbouring ill feelings about our club to the wider public in order to benefit his own brand/image in the media.

Irrespective of whether posters agree with this or not, his ridiculous rant at Pogba on Monday night may not have been racial, but it added fuel to the fire amongst disgruntled United fans and alot of who probably don't have the mental foresight (or intelligence) to think about what they say. Accordingly, when he stirs the pot like this, fans are inevitably going to voice their opinion and it simply adds to the negativity which has surrounded our club since the Fraudulent one decided to open his mouth last summer and throw his toys out of the pram.

Further, he has continually sprouted his opinion about the management of Manchester United (rhetoric about appointing best in class and directors of football and repeat). This is a former footballer talking about the management and organisation of a large company. Based on his credentials, he has absolutely no right in commenting on this. Simply being part owner of a lower league club and a hotel, does not give you the right to tell the CEO of a near billion pound a year organisation that he's not doing his job correctly. He can criticise the manager and the transfer policy, but questioning the decision of the management of the club surrounding its running is outside his expertise.

So who should we listen to. You?
The guy gave his life to the club, was smart enough and respectful enough to finish his own career when he knew he was done and is one of the best pundits in an industry of stupid cliches. He knows more about football and the running of a club than almost anyone else on tv.

 

[marukomu]

Maybe he gets all his negativity from a lot of the posters on this forum.

 

[Jaqen H'ghar]

I often find myself disagreeing with his opinions, but he has every right, and it actually is his job, to voice them.

 

[WireMUFC]

Gary Neville has a right to an opinion on United because he’s a United fan. It’s as simple as that. I love MNF it’s fun to watch the debates they have on there some people just want boring pundits who just agree with each other. I like Pundits with strong opinions. Everything is so watered down these days it’s actually refreshing to watch MNF.

 

[Leanshig]

irrespective of whether posters agree with this or not, his ridiculous rant at Pogba on Monday night may not have been racial, but it added fuel to the fire amongst disgruntled United fans and alot of who probably don't have the mental foresight (or intelligence) to think about what they say.

I think pundits should be allowed to criticize the performances and decision making of players without worrying about anonymous morons on twitter spewing racist garbage. It says more about twitter and less about Neville that he's getting blowback for legit criticism.

 

[WireMUFC]

I think pundits should be allowed to criticize the performances and decision making of players without worrying about anonymous morons on twitter spewing racist garbage. It says more about twitter and less about Neville that he's getting blowback for legit criticism.

100%

 

[tenpoless]

I doubt the club even cares about it to be honest. If you're not officially part of the club a.k.a ex players, ex coaches, who gives a feck. Whatever They say is all about their own opinion and mostly related to their current job (unless if They're unemployed).

GNev works for SkySport, why should ManUnited care about him? a nobody that has no power over the club. His voice is a voice of one 'supporter'.

 

[mariachi-19]

So who should we listen to. You?
The guy gave his life to the club, was smart enough and respectful enough to finish his own career when he knew he was done and is one of the best pundits in an industry of stupid cliches. He knows more about football and the running of a club than almost anyone else on tv.

Yet again, you dont seem to have grasped the point. This is not just about player performance, but his running commentary on the running of Manchester United as an organisation. Something way above his capacity to understand.

 

[tenpoless]

So who should we listen to. You?
The guy gave his life to the club, was smart enough and respectful enough to finish his own career when he knew he was done and is one of the best pundits in an industry of stupid cliches. He knows more about football and the running of a club than almost anyone else on tv.

Because He did a tremendous job at Valencia, didn't He? I'm sorry I agree about the first part, not so much about this one.

 

[Greck]

Won't go that far but he definitely sees himself as an authority on all things United. Oppo fans also seem to take his word at face value. It would help if he actually conducted himself with some level headedness. Safe to predict his emotional nature will begin to erode his credibility in the long run. People (rightly or wrongly) putting the Pogba witchhunt at his door will be the first of many if he doesn't keep a lid on it. It just comes with the territory of being a public face

I personally still hate how he led the movement to keep Jose in the job for that long. What was that rant about?

 

[sammsky1]

So we really need another thread on this in addition to the other two?!

 

[sammsky1]

I think pundits should be allowed to criticize the performances and decision making of players without worrying about anonymous morons on twitter spewing racist garbage. It says more about twitter and less about Neville that he's getting blowback for legit criticism.

100%

 

[GiddyUp]

Yet again, you dont seem to have grasped the point. This is not just about player performance, but his running commentary on the running of Manchester United as an organisation. Something way above his capacity to understand.

Bullshit. A huge portion of football clubs are run by former players, coaches and other individuals who have been immersed in the sport. Other people are brought in for different expertise. It's not really that complicated and Gary Neville isn't stupid.

 

[GiddyUp]

Because He did a tremendous job at Valencia, didn't He? I'm sorry I agree about the first part, not so much about this one.

Why the feck does Valencia keep getting brought up? What you are saying is because he failed his 1st time out managing a club in a different league in a different country full of other clubs in constant turmoil he is a failure and his opinion doesn't matter.
Very juvenile and dumb to dismiss a guy that spent his adult life at the pinnacle of the game and has tried his hand at everything to do with football. I would have Neville running this club before any Glazer cocksucker right now as long as he doesn't bring Phil.

 

[mariachi-19]

Bullshit. A huge portion of football clubs are run by former players, coaches and other individuals who have been immersed in the sport. Other people are brought in for different expertise. It's not really that complicated and Gary Neville isn't stupid.

How many of those clubs are the size of Manchester United? I also guarantee you alot of those clubs pay advisers a hell of alot of money to make up for the shortfall in understanding strategic marketing and financial decisions of football clubs.

 

[GiddyUp]

So we really need another thread on this in addition to the other two?!

Pogba FC

 

[Snow]

We've seen time and time again, Gary Neville opens his mouth and doesn't know when to shut up.

This is not about being a Glazer apologist but about a former player that is continually harbouring ill feelings about our club to the wider public in order to benefit his own brand/image in the media.

Irrespective of whether posters agree with this or not, his ridiculous rant at Pogba on Monday night may not have been racial, but it added fuel to the fire amongst disgruntled United fans and alot of who probably don't have the mental foresight (or intelligence) to think about what they say. Accordingly, when he stirs the pot like this, fans are inevitably going to voice their opinion and it simply adds to the negativity which has surrounded our club since the Fraudulent one decided to open his mouth last summer and throw his toys out of the pram.

Further, he has continually sprouted his opinion about the management of Manchester United (rhetoric about appointing best in class and directors of football and repeat). This is a former footballer talking about the management and organisation of a large company. Based on his credentials, he has absolutely no right in commenting on this. Simply being part owner of a lower league club and a hotel, does not give you the right to tell the CEO of a near billion pound a year organisation that he's not doing his job correctly. He can criticise the manager and the transfer policy, but questioning the decision of the management of the club surrounding its running is outside his expertise.

This is a dangerous mindset you have.

 

[Adnan]

Like I've said in other posts he selects his targets and has biases. He won't criticise the English players but will instead blindly defend them like he did with his brother and Moyes.

Wayne Rooney did far worse than Pogba on a number of occassions but Neville didn't criticise Rooney for being unprofessional. He actually praised him instead believe it or not. Compare that to how he spoke regarding Lukaku's unprofessional behaviour..

Neville is someone that isn't a straight shooter like a Roy Keane when it comes to giving a honest opinion. There's always agenda's with Neville whilst agree or disagree with Keane, he will say it how it is.

 

[sammsky1]

Pogba FC

The agenda and fandom is strong. I’ll give them that!

 

[GiddyUp]

How many of those clubs are the size of Manchester United? I also guarantee you alot of those clubs pay advisers a hell of alot of money to make up for the shortfall in understanding strategic marketing and financial decisions of football clubs.

Bayern Munich. I just said to you that other people are hired for their experience and expertise but they aren't hiring magicians. The running of a business is not top secret you know, it is possible to learn and understand how things get done.

 

[MackRobinson]

Sure he has an right to an opinion but he deserves to get lambasted for his agenda against Pogba. Using words like "treachery" and "selfish" to describe a situation he didn't fully know about is scandalous at best. He has no problem being understanding and peddling the "he needs more time mantra" for literally any manager but when it comes to Pogba he's quick to hurl accusations and brand him in a negative light. I quite like Neville as a pundit when he doesn't have an axe to grind. It's too bad most of the time he does.

 

[LARulz]

He has a far bigger "right" than us to comment. He has played there and dedicated most his life to the club. He has strong ties still with the club through people there and knows a thousand times more of what's actually happening behind the scenes than any of us here - so if anything, when he talks about the club we should probably listen more.

If we can't listen to him or Rio for example, both who have strong ties still inside the club, then we may as well shut this forum down. If someone like Gary doesn't have the "right" to talk about how to run a football club/business then what do we?

 

[GiddyUp]

The agenda and fandom is strong. I’ll give them that!

It's getting ridiculous, from both sides of the argument to be fair

 

[mav_9me]

It doesn't matter what he knows or how much he doesn't know. He is a fairly articulate recent ex - pro. So he gets paid to give his opinion.

If united were to respond to every pundit on TV and paper who has an opinion, there wouldn't be people left to take care of football stuff.

 

[sammsky1]

Because He did a tremendous job at Valencia, didn't He? I'm sorry I agree about the first part, not so much about this one.

Such a lazy and disingenuous criticism.

The only issue with Valencia was Neville was an idiot to take his first ever job in football management in a club, league, language and country he knew very little about. Just way too many things to learn without making massive mistakes and getting completely overwhelmed; it was always certain to quickly become a trainwreck.

Also there are many managers who spectacularly failed in their first role and yet went on to be very successful.

This failure at Valencia told us nothing about Neville’s managerial potential. I think he’d make an excellent football manager, if he phased his roles like SAF did. I’d love him on the clubs board as DOF too.

 

[sammsky1]

Why the feck does Valencia keep getting brought up? What you are saying is because he failed his 1st time out managing a club in a different league in a different country full of other clubs in constant turmoil he is a failure and his opinion doesn't matter.
Very juvenile and dumb to dismiss a guy that spent his adult life at the pinnacle of the game and has tried his hand at everything to do with football. I would have Neville running this club before any Glazer cocksucker right now as long as he doesn't bring Phil.

Just wrote almost exactly the same!

 

[mariachi-19]

This is a dangerous mindset you have.

It really isnt. I am paid in my job to advise people to make certain decisions that greatly affect how company does business. I see first hand how decisions by uninformed or uneducated persons can seriously impact on their profitability or decision making processes.

 

[LARulz]

It really isnt. I am paid in my job to advise people to make certain decisions that greatly affect how company does business. I see first hand how decisions by uninformed or uneducated persons can seriously impact on their profitability or decision making processes.

So you're better to run the club or give advise than someone who has spent their life and still must have some strong links in the club at the top? He is far more qualified than you or anyone here to talk about the inner workings of a football club, especially United, than us. If he was talking about Arsenal then fine, he probably doesn't know the in's and out's but at United? He knows a hell of a lot more now I'm sure thanks to Solskjaer, Butt, SAF etc.

Also he has always argued that there needs to be a footballing and business side which work together, not someone like Woodward to do it all. His "best in class" point is just that. Get the best for football side and best for business. What company have you worked for that has one person doing everything which has gone well? They delegate and hire the best people to do the jobs. That's always seemed to be his case

I may as will quit the forum or ever discussing football. What right do I have to ever criticise the in or players? I've never run a club or be making the final decisions in companies that large, I've never played sports to a professional standard.

 

[MackRobinson]

So you're better to run the club or give advise than someone who has spent their life and still must have some strong links in the club at the top? He is far more qualified than you or anyone here to talk about the inner workings of a football club, especially United, than us. If he was talking about Arsenal then fine, he probably doesn't know the in's and out's but at United? He knows a hell of a lot more now I'm sure thanks to Solskjaer, Butt, SAF etc.

Also he has always argued that there needs to be a footballing and business side which work together, not someone like Woodward to do it all. His "best in class" point is just that. Get the best for football side and best for business. What company have you worked for that has one person doing everything which has gone well? They delegate and hire the best people to do the jobs. That's always seemed to be his case

I may as will quit the forum or ever discussing football. What right do I have to ever criticise the in or players? I've never run a club or be making the final decisions in companies that large, I've never played sports to a professional standard.

I wish people would stop peddling this straw man. I have no problem with any pundit sharing their opinion or critiquing a player. But when that pundit is literally targeting a specific player that crosses the line. Baffling how some aren't okay with Souness' agenda against Pogba but fine with Neville's just because he's a club legend.

 

[Leanshig]

I wish people would stop peddling this straw man. I have no problem with any pundit sharing their opinion or critiquing a player. But when that pundit is literally targeting a specific player that crosses the line. Baffling how some aren't okay with Souness' agenda against Pogba but fine with Neville's just because he's a club legend.

What are you even talking about? The first line contradicts the second. Pundits can criticise players as they see fit, assuming, of course it is grounded in critiques pertaining to the sport. Pogba is getting criticized for his inconsistent performances, his attitude and his on field behavior. Players have always been targeted on those lines, look at Ozil, Berbatov or even Ronaldo when he was younger. I go back to what I said earlier, you cant tie pundit criticism and racist abuse by anonymous twitter trolls together.

I think the bigger conversation needs to be had about twitter itself, the bad outweighs the good. It's pushing polticial divides further apart and voicing the fringe elements and the trolls.

 

[MackRobinson]

What are you even talking about? The first line contradicts the second. Pundits can criticise players as they see fit, assuming, of course it is grounded in critiques pertaining to the sport. Pogba is getting criticized for his inconsistent performances, his attitude and his on field behavior. Players have always been targeted on those lines, look at Ozil, Berbatov or even Ronaldo when he was younger. I go back to what I said earlier, you cant tie pundit criticism and racist abuse by anonymous twitter trolls together.

No it doesn't. You can criticize a player without having an agenda against them and inventing stories that the player is "selfish" and "rotten". You have you head in the sand if you think Neville doesn't have an agenda against Pogba.

 

[sammsky1]

No it doesn't. You can criticize a player without having an agenda against them and inventing stories that the player is "selfish" and "rotten". You have you head in the sand if you think Neville doesn't have an agenda against Pogba.

What’s the specifics of his agenda?

 

[Leanshig]

No it doesn't. You can criticize a player without having an agenda against them and inventing stories that the player is "selfish" and "rotten". You have you head in the sand if you think Neville doesn't have an agenda against Pogba.

Pogba is selfish in his general play sometimes, which as a central midfielder is less forgiven and has been briefing the media all summer for a move. Its hardly "inventing stories" when he had a public falling over over most of last season with Mourinho and is engineering a move away through his agents and their friends in the media.

 

[Tarrou]

He has every right to give his opinion on the club

I can't understand why anyone would care that much

He was a bit out of line on Pogba but back-tracked once he understood the situation better, its not a big deal and he can't be held responsible for racists

 

[MackRobinson]

What’s the specifics of his agenda?

Weird question as I'm not in Neville's head, but based on the way he talks about him it's pretty clear he doesn't like him.

Let me guess, you're going to follow it up with "How do you know he has an agenda without specifics?"

 

[WireMUFC]

Like I've said in other posts he selects his targets and has biases. He won't criticise the English players but will instead blindly defend them like he did with his brother and Moyes.

Wayne Rooney did far worse than Pogba on a number of occassions but Neville didn't criticise Rooney for being unprofessional. He actually praised him instead believe it or not. Compare that to how he spoke regarding Lukaku's unprofessional behaviour..

Neville is someone that isn't a straight shooter like a Roy Keane when it comes to giving a honest opinion. There's always agenda's with Neville whilst agree or disagree with Keane, he will say it how it is.

Don’t ever recall Lingard, Rashford, Jones, Smalling or Young asking to leave and not working hard. Which is Neville’s main criticism of Pogba. What is your agenda btw? Is your agenda pro Pogba? Seems like it is.

 

[Adnan]

Don’t ever recall Lingard, Rashford, Jones, Smalling or Young asking to leave and not working hard. Which is Neville’s main criticism of Pogba. What is your agenda btw? Is your agenda pro Pogba? Seems like it is.

My agenda in this is pro Pogba over Neville, yes.. I've even explained why..

And how do you know Pogba doesn't work hard?

And none of the players you mention are wanted by the biggest clubs in the world like Pogba is..

 

[MDFC Manager]

He's an extremely biased, opinionated, agenda driven idiot. Add the facts that he's got the reach and the medium to propagate his nonsense. I agree with the OP.

 

[MackRobinson]

Pogba is selfish in his general play sometimes, which as a central midfielder is less forgiven and has been briefing the media all summer for a move. Its hardly "inventing stories" when he had a public falling over over most of last season with Mourinho and is engineering a move away through his agents and their friends in the media.

What exactly did Pogba say negatively about Mourinho in public? You mean the same Mourinho who used him as a scapegoat and threw literally any player he could under the bus rather than take responsibility for his failings as manager. You're "inventing stories" like Neville.