Ruben Neves - Player watch

[Classical Mechanic]

The comparison on mobility just doesn't stack up I'm afraid.

You're reading the expression of the statistics incorrectly.

The PL site does them per game, it doesn't account for sub appearances which skews the figures

Per 90 you are looking at

Adam 10.80km per 90 in his last proper season.
Neves 11.20km per 90 last season
Kante 11.45km per 90 last season
Mata 11.90km per 90 last season

I include Mata as like Neves he is slow and despite his work-rate he can be easily overrun.

I used Adam's best season because his failings were his conditioning and professionalism. Neves will have a more consistent career but the similarities to Adam are apparent in many regards.

 

[RD94]

Overrated.Slow but really slow,immobile player.Nothing special about him.Moutinho is twice the player he is and is 33.

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

You're reading the expression of the statistics incorrectly.

The PL site does them per game, it doesn't account for sub appearances which skews the figures

Per 90 you are looking at

Adam 10.80km per 90 in his last proper season.
Neves 11.20km per 90 last season
Kante 11.45km per 90 last season
Mata 11.90km per 90 last season

I include Mata as like Neves he is slow and despite his work-rate he can be easily overrun.

I used Adam's best season because he failing was his conditioning and professionalism. Neves will have a more consistent career but the similarities to Adam are apparent in many regards.

You are very funny.

Both score spectacular goals, so similarities are comparable in 'many' regards, apart from his conditioning, his professionalism, his consistency, his mobility, the position he plays, his pass completion % and his long-range passing accuracy.

But other than that, yes, they are basically carbon copies of each other.

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

How have the Wolves managed to hold on so many of their star players. Literally every other team of Wolves' caliber, around Europe, is leaking players to big clubs but not these guys?

They have Jimenez, Neves, Dendoncker, Jota, Doherty, Traore - these guys can slot into the starting XI of United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Atletico and other bigger teams. But they stay on with the Wolves.

Those guys must be doing something right.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

You are very funny.

Both score spectacular goals, so similarities are comparable in 'many' regards, apart from his conditioning, his professionalism, his consistency, his mobility, the position he plays, his pass completion % and his long-range passing accuracy.

But other than that, yes, they are basically carbon copies of each other.

They are both slow midfield players that overrate their own long passing abilities, take set piece and score a few bangers from time to time. Neves is slightly better looking than Adam too.

Neves would be a disaster for United, fine in a deep cagey team that wants to play on the counter but he would be badly exposed in a team that wants to go out and take the game to opponents.

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

They are both slow midfield players that overrate their own long passing abilities, take set piece and score a few bangers from time to time. Neves is slightly better looking than Adam too.

Neves would be a disaster for United, fine in a deep cagey team that wants to play on the counter but he would be badly exposed in a team that wants to go out and take the game to opponents.

Great news. We will keep Ruben 'Charlie' Neves then. Everyone's a winner.

Good luck with taking that game to your opponents this season. Personally I think you look better playing on the counter.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Good luck with taking that game to your opponents this season. Personally I think you look better playing on the counter.

You will be keeping the Portuguese Charlie Adam because no side will pay what you imagine him to be worth.

We play a mix of style under Ole really, a lot of high pressing, some front foot stuff and some counter attacking.

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

You will be keeping the Portuguese Charlie Adam because no side will pay what you imagine him to be worth.

We play a mix of style under Ole really, a lot of high pressing, some front foot stuff and some counter attacking.

You do realise that Ed's probably putting together a £120m package as we speak?!

And yes, you're right, it has been a bit of a mixed bag under Ole so far

 

[AltiUn]

You do realise that Ed's probably putting together a £120m package as we speak?!

And yes, you're right, it has been a bit of a mixed bag under Ole so far

Ha! Don't think even we'd do something like that

 

[Classical Mechanic]

You do realise that Ed's probably putting together a £120m package as we speak?!

And yes, you're right, it has been a bit of a mixed bag under Ole so far

He's a giddy kipper alright but he's not certifiable quite yet.

 

[SteveW]

Ruben was nowhere near his best last night, probably one of his most frustrating and error prone games in a Wolves shirt. Our shape was also way off in the first half which left him isolated to your (very good) pressing given how deep he sits.

Some of the comments in here though - Jesus. Didn't know United fans watched us week in, week out to have the opinion that he's a Darron Gibson (ffs - one of the worst players we've had the misfortune of watching in our shirt) clone who's been underwhelming for over a year. So underwhelming he played a vital role in taking us straight into Europe, righto. Is he top, top tier at the moment? No, but I don't believe any Wolves fan thinks that in any case. He's a very good player who is still learning and improving his all round game.

It's all hyperbole these days. He was unimpressive last night but Darron Gibson, he is not.

 

[Mr Smith]

How have the Wolves managed to hold on so many of their star players. Literally every other team of Wolves' caliber, around Europe, is leaking players to big clubs but not these guys?

They have Jimenez, Neves, Dendoncker, Jota, Doherty, Traore - these guys can slot into the starting XI of United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Atletico and other bigger teams. But they stay on with the Wolves.

Those guys must be doing something right.

I think you're overestimating the talent of some of these players a bit. No way does Jimenez get into the starting XI of a top 6 side; you really think he would play ahead of Lacazette, Martial, or even Giroud? Same with Dendoncker or Doherty. Traore has improved a lot so maybe, but he's still very raw. Neves is the only one really, and I think even he is a bit overrated. Jota looks promising, but is hardly productive enough to start up front for a top side.

I think many of Wolves' individuals have been overrated due to their success collectively, and how well organised they are. If you think about yesterday's game against us, they were actually extremely negative; they sat back for most of the game and only had 15-20 minute spell when they were on top. But they're so well organised that they're very difficult to break down, and they're good enough on the break that they can punish you.

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

I think you're overestimating the talent of some of these players a bit. No way does Jimenez get into the starting XI of a top 6 side; you really think he would play ahead of Lacazette, Martial, or even Giroud? Same with Dendoncker or Doherty. Traore has improved a lot so maybe, but he's still very raw. Neves is the only one really, and I think even he is a bit overrated. Jota looks promising, but is hardly productive enough to start up front for a top side.

I think many of Wolves' individuals have been overrated due to their success collectively, and how well organised they are. If you think about yesterday's game against us, they were actually extremely negative; they sat back for most of the game and only had 15-20 minute spell when they were on top. But they're so well organised that they're very difficult to break down, and they're good enough on the break that they can punish you.

Yes, agreed. Whilst I am happy that someone is enthusing so much about our players, it's perhaps a little OTT!

Lacazette, Aubamayang, Martial are all different types of striker to Jimenez and would be amazing playing off him. So to say he would replace them is wrong, he would certainly complement them. He is however a better all-round striker than Giroud and would improve Chelsea's starting XI.

Neves, Dendoncker, Jota have a hell of a lot of talent and potential, but are still very young and are still learning their trade. Neves and Jota can go as far as they want to if they apply themselves and stay fit.

Doherty is a great wing-back, but put him in a back 4 and I don't think he'd be anywhere near as effective.

Traore had his best 45 minutes in a Wolves shirt last night. Nuno is clearly working wonders with him and if his end-product can continue to develop as it has done so far, he will be one hell of a player.

In truth, we have some great players, some very good players and some decent players, but as you say, we are greater than the sum of our parts because of Nuno's tactics and approach.

What's very promising is how effective we are with the little possession we have. As far as creating chances go, we do very well to create what we do from having the ball as little as we do.

 

[Rei Eusébio]

I think you're overestimating the talent of some of these players a bit. No way does Jimenez get into the starting XI of a top 6 side; you really think he would play ahead of Lacazette, Martial, or even Giroud? Same with Dendoncker or Doherty. Traore has improved a lot so maybe, but he's still very raw. Neves is the only one really, and I think even he is a bit overrated. Jota looks promising, but is hardly productive enough to start up front for a top side.

I think many of Wolves' individuals have been overrated due to their success collectively, and how well organised they are. If you think about yesterday's game against us, they were actually extremely negative; they sat back for most of the game and only had 15-20 minute spell when they were on top. But they're so well organised that they're very difficult to break down, and they're good enough on the break that they can punish you.

Put Neves and Jota in a better context and they will shine even more. Neves has City or Spurs written in his forehead .

 

[Bonjers]

I think you're overestimating the talent of some of these players a bit. No way does Jimenez get into the starting XI of a top 6 side; you really think he would play ahead of Lacazette, Martial, or even Giroud? Same with Dendoncker or Doherty. Traore has improved a lot so maybe, but he's still very raw. Neves is the only one really, and I think even he is a bit overrated. Jota looks promising, but is hardly productive enough to start up front for a top side.

I think many of Wolves' individuals have been overrated due to their success collectively, and how well organised they are. If you think about yesterday's game against us, they were actually extremely negative; they sat back for most of the game and only had 15-20 minute spell when they were on top. But they're so well organised that they're very difficult to break down, and they're good enough on the break that they can punish you.

We are very much a 'cohesive unit' first and foremost, which is why when our shape is lost we can be exposed in certain areas, but we do have a number of players who'd be good players for top six sides.

Patricio is brilliant - he's a better keeper than Leno or Kepa. He's not great with his feet, but his reflexes are unreal and he's saved us on multiple occasions

Boly is an absolute monster, Rolls-Royce of a defender.

Jonny would be a good player for any side in this country as a full back. Tidy on the ball, hell of an engine and very good defensively but he's not offensively good enough to be a wing back at the very top level. It works nicely in our system though.

Our midfield trio are very good, Moutinho particularly who is dreamy, but lack real goal threat other than Ruben's rockets. As good as they are for where we are, a proper #10 is where we can look to really grow, particularly against the teams who'll sit in on us.

Raul scored 17 and assisted 8 last season. Better figures than Martial has ever hit and on a par with Lacazette. He's bloody good and would be a valuable addition to Chelsea who are playing Tammy who's nowhere near up to it. Composure in front of goal has come on so much since this time last year.

Our main 'issue' is Bennett, who whilst coping admirably so far, isn't good enough to bring the ball out and can lead us to getting pinned under pressure like last night, which forces the whole team to sit deeper.

 

[roonster09]

Raul scored 17 and assisted 8 last season. Better figures than Martial has ever hit

Martial scored 18 goals and 11 assists when he was 20.

Last season Martial played around half of Jiminez's minutes and scored just 3 less league goals. This is him playing as LW all season.

 

[romufc]

Martial scored 18 goals and 11 assists when he was 20.

Last season Martial played around half of Jiminez's minutes and scored just 3 less league goals. This is him playing as LW all season.

I don't get why so many fans are criticising players?

 

[Ramshock]

People ragging on Neves the lads fecking quality, not everyone has to be a sub 10 second 100M sprinter for feck sake.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

We are very much a 'cohesive unit' first and foremost, which is why when our shape is lost we can be exposed in certain areas, but we do have a number of players who'd be good players for top six sides.

Patricio is brilliant - he's a better keeper than Leno or Kepa. He's not great with his feet, but his reflexes are unreal and he's saved us on multiple occasions

Boly is an absolute monster, Rolls-Royce of a defender.

Jonny would be a good player for any side in this country as a full back. Tidy on the ball, hell of an engine and very good defensively but he's not offensively good enough to be a wing back at the very top level. It works nicely in our system though.

Our midfield trio are very good, Moutinho particularly who is dreamy, but lack real goal threat other than Ruben's rockets. As good as they are for where we are, a proper #10 is where we can look to really grow, particularly against the teams who'll sit in on us.

Raul scored 17 and assisted 8 last season. Better figures than Martial has ever hit and on a par with Lacazette. He's bloody good and would be a valuable addition to Chelsea who are playing Tammy who's nowhere near up to it. Composure in front of goal has come on so much since this time last year.

Our main 'issue' is Bennett, who whilst coping admirably so far, isn't good enough to bring the ball out and can lead us to getting pinned under pressure like last night, which forces the whole team to sit deeper.

If you have so may players that are top 6 material. why did you finish 7th?

Wolves are a good team with the players you have but I feel these players are good because they play within their strengths collectively which is good for you. But assuming these players will be instant starters in the top 6 is not correct. For example GK in a top 6 team needs to do more than just make saves, CB needs to control games than just defend etc. etc.

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

If you have so may players that are top 6 material. why did you finish 7th?

Because not all our first team players and extended squad are top 6 quality. Yet.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

Because not all our first team players and extended squad are top 6 quality. Yet.

Not based on what @Bonjers said. From his post I have 7 players( GK , CB, LWB, Midfield trio, ST )that's a lot more players than united and Chelsea have which are deemed top 6 worthy!

 

[passing-wind]

I really can't understand this forum at times, Neves is a quality midfielder. If he came to our club he's instantly the second best midfielder at our disposal.

If you are all calling him rubbish then Fred / Pereria might as well just retire early or go to the MLS.

 

[WolfInSharp'sClothing]

Not based on what @Bonjers said. From his post I have 7 players( GK , CB, LWB, Midfield trio, ST )that's a lot more players than united and Chelsea have which are deemed top 6 worthy!

As you said, we finished 7th, but @Bonjers said we have about 7 players who could play for teams that finished in the top 6.

All the players that played in your team (and Chelsea's) were good enough to play for a team that finished in the top 6, because you ACTUALLY finished in the top 6 (and regularly do so!).

 

[Velvet Revolver]

As you said, we finished 7th, but @Bonjers said we have about 7 players who could play for teams that finished in the top 6.

All the players that played in your team (and Chelsea's) were good enough to play for a team that finished in the top 6, because you ACTUALLY finished in the top 6 (and regularly do so!).

So how can these players play in a top 6 team when the top 6 already has players that play in the top 6. I am saying your players are good but to be top 6 you need something more and maybe wolves will prove me wrong end of this season but for now I see a good bunch of players playing at their level and doing well as a team.

 

[Bonjers]

Not based on what @Bonjers said. From his post I have 7 players( GK , CB, LWB, Midfield trio, ST )that's a lot more players than united and Chelsea have which are deemed top 6 worthy!

I'm not saying they'd all walk into the teams above us, but they'd by and large be good options for clubs wanting to challenge at the top end of the league.

In any case, given that we really weren't too far from the coat tails of the top six, I don't think it's that drastic to say that 7 of our players are potentially top six quality. It is the others where we need to upgrade where it may (or not) be possible to bridge the gap. We've improved the squad this season with players suited to our style, rather than having to plug gaps like we did last season which should help slightly, but who knows how Europe will impact us, if we get past Torino that is.

I'm certainly not saying we have more top class players than United, Chelsea, Spurs etc.

 

[Ekeke]

Great goal. Not impressed other than with his long shot

 

[Hughie77]

Scored a worldy goal, kicked nearly every player that went past him, other than that had good game,!

 

[mav_9me]

I don't know if yesterday was a game to judge him on. The game completely passed by Wolves midfield and basically Wolves were not really in the game other than the 20min spell. At the same time I wonder what that says about him and his midfield partners.

 

[McGrathsipan]

id take him in a heart beat. Quality player

 

[amolbhatia50k]

How have the Wolves managed to hold on so many of their star players. Literally every other team of Wolves' caliber, around Europe, is leaking players to big clubs but not these guys?

They have Jimenez, Neves, Dendoncker, Jota, Doherty, Traore - these guys can slot into the starting XI of United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Atletico and other bigger teams. But they stay on with the Wolves.

Those guys must be doing something right.

Because they arent stars. These players are overrated here to suit the incredible Wolves narrative.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

I'm not saying they'd all walk into the teams above us, but they'd by and large be good options for clubs wanting to challenge at the top end of the league.

In any case, given that we really weren't too far from the coat tails of the top six, I don't think it's that drastic to say that 7 of our players are potentially top six quality. It is the others where we need to upgrade where it may (or not) be possible to bridge the gap. We've improved the squad this season with players suited to our style, rather than having to plug gaps like we did last season which should help slightly, but who knows how Europe will impact us, if we get past Torino that is.

I'm certainly not saying we have more top class players than United, Chelsea, Spurs etc.

Fair enough!

 

[2mufc0]

Charlie Adam

 

[SambaBoy]

He's both underrated and overrated on this forum. Comparisons to Gibson and Charlie Adam are laughable but calling him one of the best young midfielders in the world is also overrating him. He's a very good young talented player who could still develop but don't think he will ever become a player in an elite team in the CL.

 

[NYAS]

Joke of a thread. People talking as if the likes of Carrick, Xavi and Kroos were Duracell bunnies.

Most, if not all past examples of this type of player usually bloom towards their very late twenties and early thirties, which is no surprise given what kinds of attributes the role requires.

Other than Winks and Marc Roca, can someone name me a similarly-aged DLP who has proven more than Neves has in his career so far?

The lad’s 22.

 

[Bruno Marques]

If you have so may players that are top 6 material. why did you finish 7th?

Wolves are a good team with the players you have but I feel these players are good because they play within their strengths collectively which is good for you. But assuming these players will be instant starters in the top 6 is not correct. For example GK in a top 6 team needs to do more than just make saves, CB needs to control games than just defend etc. etc.

Saying 7th like it's 17th.

 

[Eleven-Eighteen]

I think you're overestimating the talent of some of these players a bit. No way does Jimenez get into the starting XI of a top 6 side; you really think he would play ahead of Lacazette, Martial, or even Giroud? Same with Dendoncker or Doherty. Traore has improved a lot so maybe, but he's still very raw. Neves is the only one really, and I think even he is a bit overrated. Jota looks promising, but is hardly productive enough to start up front for a top side.

I think many of Wolves' individuals have been overrated due to their success collectively, and how well organised they are. If you think about yesterday's game against us, they were actually extremely negative; they sat back for most of the game and only had 15-20 minute spell when they were on top. But they're so well organised that they're very difficult to break down, and they're good enough on the break that they can punish you.

Because they arent stars. These players are overrated here to suit the incredible Wolves narrative.

For what it's worth, I do think that Jimenez and Neves can play in bigger clubs...I'm not just referring to a Top 6 English side. And to me Longstaff (reportedly a United target) is not of higher quality than Dendoncker.


But if not any player individually, then perhaps the manager must be given due credit.

Has Santo done enough to make his case to be promoted to a bigger side - like a Pochettino.

Or has he risen up to his highest level and a bigger challenge would catch him out - like a Roberto Martinez.

 

[txred]

He’s still quite young and I honestly have been a fan of his from a distance since he came to England. That said, I do not see the Tony Kroos or Pirlo level ability in his performances.

Those are two all time greats, but I concur with a lot of the sentiments on here. You can be slow and be an effective midfielder from deep. I haven’t seen the nuance from Neves in the Prem that shows he will one day reach that level for a top side.

 

[Robbie Boy]

I don't get why so many fans are criticising players?

It’s obvious in vogue like.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Oh, why didn't we splash some money for him. He'd fit in seamlessly with McT with Pog playing ahead of them.

Rash...Mart..Dani
........Pogba.......
....McT...Neves....

I've always been a huge fan of him.

 

[thomas porter]

he's technical and has a good long shot on him but i think he lacks mobility and would get found out playing in a more expansive style of play. Would prefer Longstaff over him.