Gary Neville

[Santoryo]

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Yep this tweet. It's like he was just waiting for Pogba to feck up so he can stick the knife in. What a petty person.

I still can't believe he accused him of treachery. Jesus Christ.

 

[roonster09]

https://talksport.com/football/5912...-paul-pogba-missed-penalty-manchester-united/

Andy Cole left scratching his head like most of us by Gary's comments on Pogba. Dude went on to accuse Pogba of treachery over a missed penalty, i'd like to reiterate that bit again

Also worth noting that Gary immediately tweeted "i Knew it" once Pogba missed the penalty(I'm sure most people weren't even aware of this bit here). This guy has to calm down.

Cole is spot on

“I get on well with Gary Neville, but when people start talking about treachery and all that… come on, this is a sport. Let’s get real. We love football but when we start talking on those levels, he left me scratching my head a little bit.

“He didn’t do it on purpose. The goalkeeper made a very good save. Yes, Marcus scored a penalty against Chelsea the week before but if Marcus was comfortable and Paul was comfortable we have to get on with it and move on.”

Sometimes Neville should calm down a bit.

 

[duffer]

I've seen a few posters refer to a "treachery" accusation, what did Neville say?

 

[Yagami]

I've seen a few posters refer to a "treachery" accusation, what did Neville say?

He said it was treachery for Pogba to have took the pen. Even though he singlehandedly won it, and both Ole and Rashford were fine with him doing so.

 

[Adam-Utd]

I've seen a few posters refer to a "treachery" accusation, what did Neville say?

"Before he took the pen I was fuming. I was thinking it's typical Pogba, selfish."

"Why are you even thinking of taking a penalty off of a player?

"The only reason I'm holding back from calling it treacherous is that before before the one against Chelsea, Pogba and Rashford had a long chat and maybe it was Rashford who took it off Pogba against Chelsea.

The fact he goes straight in with calling him selfish and then skirts around being treacherous is what's annoyed everybody. It was more the anger and animosity he went with. Was clearly angry he missed and couldn't wait to get the knife out.

 

[Tel074]

"Before he took the pen I was fuming. I was thinking it's typical Pogba, selfish."

"Why are you even thinking of taking a penalty off of a player?

"The only reason I'm holding back from calling it treacherous is that before before the one against Chelsea, Pogba and Rashford had a long chat and maybe it was Rashford who took it off Pogba against Chelsea.

The fact he goes straight in with calling him selfish and then skirts around being treacherous is what's annoyed everybody. It was more the anger and animosity he went with. Was clearly angry he missed and couldn't wait to get the knife out.

Everyone ? What annoyed me was the fact Pogba went anywhere near the pen at the time . The uproar on here abusing Neville is actually hilarious. I've never seen as many drama queens in one place . I was at the game and to a man everyone I could see or hear was saying the same thing . Don't let him take the pen ... It's not Pogbas fault it's the managers for creating the situation to start with .

 

[Tom Van Persie]

Cole is spot on



Sometimes Neville should calm down a bit.

That's a great response from Cole.

 

[FootyGirl88]

Everyone ? What annoyed me was the fact Pogba went anywhere near the pen at the time . The uproar on here abusing Neville is actually hilarious. I've never seen as many drama queens in one place . I was at the game and to a man everyone I could see or hear was saying the same thing . Don't let him take the pen ... It's not Pogbas fault it's the managers for creating the situation to start with .

What are you talking about? He's our designated penalty taker, he took nearly all our penatiles last season.

And if anyone was being a drama queen it was Neville.

 

[El Zoido]

What are you talking about? He's our designated penalty taker, he took nearly all our penatiles last season.

Were you confident? He doesn’t have a great record. All the reds I was watching it with groaned when we saw he was taking it, as if we expected him to miss. I’m not in the business of abusing someone for missing a penalty, but I don’t think he should be taking them.

 

[OL29]

https://talksport.com/football/5912...-paul-pogba-missed-penalty-manchester-united/

Andy Cole left scratching his head like most of us by Gary's comments on Pogba. Dude went on to accuse Pogba of treachery over a missed penalty, i'd like to reiterate that bit again

Also worth noting that Gary immediately tweeted "i Knew it" once Pogba missed the penalty(I'm sure most people weren't even aware of this bit here). This guy has to calm down.

Glad someone spoke out on it.

 

[Tel074]

What are you talking about? He's our designated penalty taker, he took nearly all our penatiles last season.

And if anyone was being a drama queen it was Neville.

And his record is shocking . He shouldn't be any where near pens and anyone knows that and its why most of the fans standing around me where saying someone take the ball of him . If we had a Keane on the pitch he wouldn't have been anywhere near it that's what I'm talking about ... So we get a pen against Palace at the weekend will our " designated pen taker " hit it ? I guarantee you he won't

 

[Sassy Colin]

https://www.metro.news/final-third-...-but-fails-to-see-the-bigger-picture/1685006/

 

[Jeppers7]

And his record is shocking . He shouldn't be any where near pens and anyone knows that and its why most of the fans standing around me where saying someone take the ball of him . If we had a Keane on the pitch he wouldn't have been anywhere near it that's what I'm talking about ... So we get a pen against Palace at the weekend will our " designated pen taker " hit it ? I guarantee you he won't

How do you know that? He took our penalties last year and clearly was going to take the Chelsea one before Rashford asked to take it.

Saying you think someone else should take them now is another argument, one I agree with, he's had his chance and missed too many. But that's got nothing to do with Nevilles comments. Had Neville said that....I doubt many would disagree

 

[Judas]

How do you know that? He took our penalties last year and clearly was going to take the Chelsea one before Rashford asked to take it.

Saying you think someone else should take them now is another argument, one I agree with, he's had his chance and missed too many. But that's got nothing to do with Nevilles comments. Had Neville said that....I doubt many would disagree

Did this actually happen? You're the first person I've seen anywhere make such a statement.

 

[Snafu17]

We have designated penalty takers, we have 2 of them.

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It's not like it's something new or never happened. So much drama on a penalty miss. Even in 2016-17, Pogba took first penalty and then Martial took the second one, both times Rooney handed over the ball to others. This was in 4-0 win in Europa league.

Christ, it always seemed to end bad for Nani.

 

[shahzy]

He said it was treachery for Pogba to have took the pen. Even though he singlehandedly won it, and both Ole and Rashford were fine with him doing so.

And he is the main penalty taker and has been for last season too..let's not forget this. A guy who's the main pen taker criticised for treachery after missing a pen. Unbelievable how this twat Neville has any sympathisers. Been saying for a while Carragher is by far the better pundit but top reds found that insulting

 

[JPRouve]

Did this actually happen? You're the first person I've seen anywhere make such a statement.

They briefly talked but it seems that Rashford was going to take it, he immediately went for the ball after the foul.

 

[redIndianDevil]

Amidst the racism discussion and who United's designated penalty taker is, one important issue has been swept under the carpet. What a poor penalty that was by Pogba, highlighting yet again how unprofessional so many professional footballers are even it comes to taking penalties. It is mind-boggling that penalties have an expectation of roughly 75% when it should be above 90. It doesn't take a lot of research to figure out where penalties are supposed to be hit (hint: not low and not down the middle). I can't believe that even managers in this day and age with all the scientific analysis that is part of the game now still describe penalties as a 'lottery'. I rant about this quite frequently because quite frankly there isn't much that annoys me more in football.

PKs are not lotteries but they aren't as easy as you make it out to be either, goalkeepers aren't there for show, they are very tall specimens who train cover to most of the goal area day in day out, so you have to give credit to them too. If you pick a corner and place the ball there and if the goalkeepers dives to that area, there is a chance he can save it. Add in the pressure in itself of taking penalties, there is nothing surprising about players missing few penalties.

 

[Tel074]

How do you know that? He took our penalties last year and clearly was going to take the Chelsea one before Rashford asked to take it.

Saying you think someone else should take them now is another argument, one I agree with, he's had his chance and missed too many. But that's got nothing to do with Nevilles comments. Had Neville said that....I doubt many would disagree

I know it because he's shit at penalties and at any other club he wouldn't be anywhere near them . People are upset at Neville because some moron thought it's okay to racially abuse Pogba if that didn't happen the song and dance on here wouldn't be happening. Neville is a fan and like I said it's exactly what every fan around me at the game was saying

 

[djembatheking]

I know it because he's shit at penalties and at any other club he wouldn't be anywhere near them . People are upset at Neville because some moron thought it's okay to racially abuse Pogba if that didn't happen the song and dance on here wouldn't be happening. Neville is a fan and like I said it's exactly what every fan around me at the game was saying

First thought I had too when Pogba stepped up . His pens are shite . I hope we get a pen against Palace just to see who takes it .

 

[WireMUFC]

More Pogba fans on this thread than United fans

 

[Dannic]

I'm very curious to understand how much of Neville's comments are results driven. i.e. if he would have taken the same stance if Pogba had scored. It seems relatively obvious that Neville finds Pogba very frustrating and it feels like this is another opportunity to express that frustration. However, if it's purely based on whether the ball hits the back of the net or not then the argument loses a lot of value. Neville is arguing a point of process and leadership and those should be true regardless. It's obviously not possible to know whether a different result changes the process argument, but I think it's worth trying to separate the two. What the confusion around designated penalty taker does is allow the narrative to form, regardless of who takes/ misses it. Rashford misses - "why didn't Pogba take it? Brilliant bit of skill to make the chance, he'd have buried the penalty with his confidence so high..."

 

[lsd]

Yep this tweet. It's like he was just waiting for Pogba to feck up so he can stick the knife in. What a petty person.

I still can't believe he accused him of treachery. Jesus Christ.

I would bet my house he had that tweet written out before the ball was kicked too

 

[Tel074]

I'm very curious to understand how much of Neville's comments are results driven. i.e. if he would have taken the same stance if Pogba had scored. It seems relatively obvious that Neville finds Pogba very frustrating and it feels like this is another opportunity to express that frustration. However, if it's purely based on whether the ball hits the back of the net or not then the argument loses a lot of value. Neville is arguing a point of process and leadership and those should be true regardless. It's obviously not possible to know whether a different result changes the process argument, but I think it's worth trying to separate the two. What the confusion around designated penalty taker does is allow the narrative to form, regardless of who takes/ misses it. Rashford misses - "why didn't Pogba take it? Brilliant bit of skill to make the chance, he'd have buried the penalty with his confidence so high..."

Rashford should be allowed the chance of a miss or two but one thing for sure Pogba should be about half way down the line or penalty takers . If Jesse or Martial had his record he would be no where near them .

 

[Amar__]

Why do people care so much what Gary Neville says? Is he really that highly rated analyst in England?

I gave up watching him after around 2 or 3 shows where he proved to be biased as feck towards player he likes, especially English players, I can't listen to anything he says and believe he thinks it. His silent domination crap on Rooney was was one of the worst pieces of analysis I have ever seen, I couldn't believe he didn't laugh once while talking about it, it looked like stand up show where you expected him to burst out laughing at the end saying he made some experiment with the viewers or something.

It just another proof that people will do anything for more fame, even if they are filthy rich.

 

[Water Melon]

Treachery? Everyone was pissed at Pogba for missing his peno, it did cost us 2 points, and it did make more sense to let Rashford take it. However, accusing someone of treachery is absolutely unwarranted and ridiculous. A shite comment by a shite pindit.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

I was yelling "this is perfidiousness!" at the tv when he missed.

 

[Jeppers7]

I know it because he's shit at penalties and at any other club he wouldn't be anywhere near them . People are upset at Neville because some moron thought it's okay to racially abuse Pogba if that didn't happen the song and dance on here wouldn't be happening. Neville is a fan and like I said it's exactly what every fan around me at the game was saying

Right....and your opinion decides who takes penalties for United ? Nice one.

 

[Tel074]

Right....and your opinion decides who takes penalties for United ? Nice one.

Great constructive reply

 

[Tarrou]

the best thing about this Neville stuff is our fans are siding with Pogba for a change

our fans have been very critical of Pogba over the years (justifiably at times, but other times unfairly IMO), but when Nev basically does the same - he gets destroyed for it

 

[JPRouve]

the best thing about this Neville stuff is our fans are siding with Pogba for a change

our fans have been very critical of Pogba over the years (justifiably at times, but other times unfairly IMO), but when Nev basically does the same - he gets destroyed for it

We are bonafide idiots while he is supposed to not be one.

 

[Sassy Colin]

We are bonafide idiots while he is supposed to not be one.

I think the problem here is that we thought Gary wasn't an idiot and he turned out to be one.

His inane ranting would fit right in to the United Forum. Maybe he's been reading it and thinks that is what United fans want to hear. Constant and relentless criticism of United and everything to do with the running of the club.

 

[JPRouve]

I think the problem here is that we thought Gary wasn't an idiot and he turned out to be one.

His inane ranting would fit right in to the United Forum. Maybe he's been reading it and thinks that is what United fans want to hear. Constant and relentless criticism of United and everything to do with the running of the club.

Exactly, he is basically like the average caf poster which is damning more than anything else.

 

[Hawks2008]

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Such a feckhead.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

https://twitter.com/GNev2

One to follow today.

 

[Mrs Smoker]

Gaz is just an emotional guy. And that's lovely.

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[Adam-Utd]

Why do people care so much what Gary Neville says? Is he really that highly rated analyst in England?

I gave up watching him after around 2 or 3 shows where he proved to be biased as feck towards player he likes, especially English players, I can't listen to anything he says and believe he thinks it. His silent domination crap on Rooney was was one of the worst pieces of analysis I have ever seen, I couldn't believe he didn't laugh once while talking about it, it looked like stand up show where you expected him to burst out laughing at the end saying he made some experiment with the viewers or something.

It just another proof that people will do anything for more fame, even if they are filthy rich.

It's because like it or not he's a powerful figure in football media. If a United "legend" it seen calling our best player selfish and treacherous, how else do you think the media and opposition are going to react? no wonder the racists decided to target him after that as they feel he's a fair target.

The main point is he would never have handled it the same way with other players. If it was Rashford and Lingard deciding between themselves he would have had about 10 seconds and left it.

 

[Jeppers7]

Great constructive reply

Well do you have anything more than your opinion 'Pogba is shit at penalties' to back up your claim that Pogba wasn't the penalty taker ? Because all the evidence which isn't your opinion, suggests Pogba was following instructions and well within his rights to take the penalty.

If you want to say you felt Rashford should've took it or that Pogba shouldn't take anymore penalties that's a different argument and one I'd agree with, but your claiming Pogba broke rank on penalties, acted against the managers instructions based on the fact 'you know it because Pogba is shit at penalties'.

That argument only deserves the reply it got. It's moronic.

 

[Random Task]

Well do you have anything more than your opinion 'Pogba is shit at penalties' to back up your claim that Pogba wasn't the penalty taker ? Because all the evidence which isn't your opinion, suggests Pogba was following instructions and well within his rights to take the penalty.

Pogba was not under instruction to do anything. Rashford picked up the ball and was preparing to take the penalty, like anyone with a perfect penalty-taking conversion rate would do, Pogba then walked over to him and proceeded to talk him out of it, in favour of taking it himself.

Why do you think Pogba did that?

 

[Patience]

It's quite simple.

Almost all clubs throughout the nearly 40 years that I've been watching football have had a designated penalty taker.

It is abnormal not to have a designated penalty taker.

You must surely have noticed this, unless you've never watched football before.

The only two reasons you would change your designated penalty taker would be (a) if there was a pre-match agreement, which Solskajer confirmed that there wasn't.

Or (b) if a certain player has had a bad run, which, in this case, was the complete opposite of what occurred. Pogba insisted on taking the penalty, because according to Solskjaer he felt confident, despite the fact that he had a poor record, and then missed it.

As soon as you don't have a designated penalty taker, which is decided before the game, you open your players, manager, team and club up to confusion and controversy, particularly if you let the players decide on the field of play who is going to take penalties, based on who feels confident.

The underlined is exactly what the manager has stated is the current policy of the club.

So this is either an absolutely stupid policy. Or Solksjaer is covering for Pogba because he has no authority over him. Or both.

Alternatively, if Rashford demanded to take the penalty against Chelsea, when Pogba was the designated penalty taker, then this was completely wrong.

But it seems far more likely that Rashford was always intended to take any penalty awarded against Chelsea because he, you know, scores them.

And then once he's scored, it would then make far more sense for him to take penalties going forward, rather than to revert to someone who misses them.

However, regardless of this, it's neither normal nor healthy to have an ongoing debate over who takes penalties, and for it to be decided on the field of play, by the players, on the basis of who feels confident, particularly when it's a really important penalty that proved decisive in the match.

This is not a revelation, or some sort of controversial view that needs to be tested in court. It's literally the bleeding obvious.

That's why absolutely everyone in the media, whose job it is to give their professional opinion on football, agrees with me.

I can't make it any clearer for you than that.

Can I just say - because I haven't seen it discussed yet, which is a huge surprise because it's so obvious - that the science and technology in the game today means it makes total sense for there to be at least two designated pen takers...

Goalkeepers are privy to so many stats about penalty takers (them and their gk coaches study opposition players) that it makes sense to mix it up a bit.

Ole has appointed two pen takers at the club; two players who will play in the majority of games - he has explained this perfectly well and it makes total sense. Why is it still a discussion?