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Out of the 2, Henry, but as someone else pointed out, neither are number 9s. So Shearer.
Strikers.If these guys aren't number 9s, what are they? I'm getting too old to understand football
Maybe 9.5 but that's mainstream now, so would say they were 9.25If these guys aren't number 9s, what are they? I'm getting too old to understand football
Anyway, Henry by a mile. Spectacular player.
But isn't the striker the dude up front in the middle? I remember being confused about FIFA classifying some players as ST and other as CF. They belong up front and score goals. Stop over complicating this silly game of kick ball.Strikers.
100Aguero isn't close to peak Henry. I don't think any player I have seen in the EPL other than Ronaldo can come close to peak Henry.
That player wasn't just a 30+ goalscorer but a 10+ assist maker a season as well. He was insane from 2000 - 2006. Aguero can only match his goalscoring but Henry's overall play can't be matched by the Argentine.
Maybe it’s a cultural thing but for me “striker” is a position (i.e all teams have at least one) and “number 9” is a role that is performed by specific kinds of strikers like Vieri, Toni, Llorente, Carroll, Hartson, Ferguson, Shearer etc. Historically a number 9 in England would have been someone like Dixie Dean, Nat Lofthouse or Jackie Milburn but not Jimmy Greaves or Geoff Hurst.But isn't the striker the dude up front in the middle? I remember being confused about FIFA classifying some players as ST and other as CF. They belong up front and score goals. Stop over complicating this silly game of kick ball.
Ah so a 9 is like a poacher?Maybe it’s a cultural thing but for me “striker” is a position (i.e all teams have at least one) and “number 9” is a role that is performed by specific kinds of strikers like Vieri, Toni, Llorente, Carroll, Hartson, Ferguson, Shearer etc. Historically a number 9 in England would have been someone like Dixie Dean, Nat Lofthouse or Jackie Milburn but not Jimmy Greaves or Geoff Hurst.
I remember that FIFA position name thing and that was very weird. CF was the more withdrawn one and ST was the centre forward. In reality the two strikers being SS and CF would have made a lot more sense.
More of a physical battering ram than a poacher really. A player who would wrestle defenders, elbow goalkeepers, head a brick and give Andy Gray an orgasm.Ah so a 9 is like a poacher?
Also, Nat Lofthouse, are you a million years old?
Ah so a Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink typeMore of a physical battering ram than a poacher really. A player who would wrestle defenders, elbow goalkeepers, head a brick and give Andy Gray an orgasm.
I can’t say I’ve ever seen the lion of Vienna in action but that’s one of the first names that popped into my head when thinking of the quintessential old fashioned English centre forward.
As it was my post from another thread that was quoted here's the equivalent combined goals + assists numbers:I wonder what Agueros' best five years are? I'm sure his goals would be up there but wonder what his assists would be like.
Bas DostAh so a Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink type
Not sure that Rooney or Agueros peaks come anywhere near Titis, especially Roo. Henry was legit top 3 in the world (2nd behind Dinho at best). At no time were any of those other forwards considered amongst the world's top 3 players.Henry easily for me. The real question is who would be 2-5 on ability, durability and meaningful contributions to trophy-winning sides. This:
Shearer
Aguero
Rooney
Van Nistelrooy
But if the question is who was the greatest at peak that's a tough one. I'd still go with Henry by a hair, but you could make a case for any of those five, even Ruud.
Suarez was quite close to be fair - but that was only for one season.Aguero isn't close to peak Henry. I don't think any player I have seen in the EPL other than Ronaldo can come close to peak Henry.
That player wasn't just a 30+ goalscorer but a 10+ assist maker a season as well. He was insane from 2000 - 2006. Aguero can only match his goalscoring but Henry's overall play can't be matched by the Argentine.
Yes, that's certainly worthwhile consideration when computing pure numbers from different periods in time, even within the relatively short life-span of the PL.If comparing Shearer, Henry and Agüero, it’s definitely worth considering that, of the three, Henry’s best years coincided with the overall standard of defenders in the PL being higher than either Shearer or Agüero’s era.
Never imagined them ever ending up in the same listBas Dost
Ricky van Wolfswinkel
Ruud van Nistelrooy
Roy Makaay
Pierre van Hooijdonk
Patrick Kluivert
Marco van Basten
I may miss someone.
It's fairly one sidedThread title: Aguero vs. Henry: The greatest PL #9?
Yep.Henry > Aguero > Shearer
Nah.Yep.
I was looking for a Dutch striker that I saw played in I think a friendly match, yess! I have found him! Another Dutch no. 9 Erik Meijer.Never imagined them ever ending up in the same list
Ricky was just successfully operated on a brain aneurism.
Henry is the best player in PL history.
Wow, how the hell do you know him. He's a rather annoying pundit nowadays.I was looking for a Dutch striker that I saw played in I think a friendly match, yess! I have found him! Another Dutch no. 9 Erik Meijer.
I can't believe I still remember a nobody who played in one match 26 years ago.
RVN was better than Didi.1. Henry
2. Van Persie
3. Drogba
4. Agüero
5. Kane
Disagree, Shearer is the better striker.Aguero was the better number 9 i.e traditional striker, but Henry was the better player.
For what its worth Aguero was better than Shearer.
Yes they do. CR7 is the greatest player the EPL has ever seen. Sure, if he stayed around longer he would have built his legend even more, but nobody has ever been as good as CR7. If we are talking about the entire career then it has to be Shearer as #1. But we are talking about the best player and last I checked, CR7 won the WPOTY award, not Henry...No.
Ronaldo's 3 years of WC'ness don't eclipse Henry's 5.
Premier League Ronaldo isn't really peak Ronaldo is he? I was more impressed with Henry in the PL as well honestly. Of course Ronnie went on to achieve far greater things, but still, an argument can be made for Henry looking solely at the PL.Yes they do. CR7 is the greatest player the EPL has ever seen. Sure, if he stayed around longer he would have built his legend even more, but nobody has ever been as good as CR7. If we are talking about the entire career then it has to be Shearer as #1. But we are talking about the best player and last I checked, CR7 won the WPOTY award, not Henry...
Not directed at me, but are we?Yes they do. CR7 is the greatest player the EPL has ever seen. Sure, if he stayed around longer he would have built his legend even more, but nobody has ever been as good as CR7. If we are talking about the entire career then it has to be Shearer as #1. But we are talking about the best player and last I checked, CR7 won the WPOTY award, not Henry...
OkYes they do. CR7 is the greatest player the EPL has ever seen. Sure, if he stayed around longer he would have built his legend even more, but nobody has ever been as good as CR7. If we are talking about the entire career then it has to be Shearer as #1. But we are talking about the best player and last I checked, CR7 won the WPOTY award, not Henry...
It's not. And I'm being kind with regards to saying 3 years... It's actually 2.5 if you remove the first half of the 08/09 season.Premier League Ronaldo isn't really peak Ronaldo is he? I was more impressed with Henry in the PL as well honestly. Of course Ronnie went on to achieve far greater things, but still, an argument can be made for Henry looking solely at the CL.
Well and I suppose international career wise.
I think Shearer's true greatness was down to his longevity in the league. On ability to score goals alone, the numbers suggest Aguero is better.Disagree, Shearer is the better striker.
As a Utd supporter, Shearer was one of only a few players I genuinely feared playing against - you can add Messi, Ronaldo x 2 and Henry to that list. Aguero is a fantastic striker, but plays in a great team - Shearer was devastating in teams that were nowhere near as good as Man City.