Word. Great post.
Racism in Italy - even anti-racism is filled with racism
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My favorite italian by far <3
I am the ultimate italian, i hate and discriminate against everyone equally
You’ve seriously never heard Berbatov being called lazy? He was called lazy from the day he joined until the day he left.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-berbatov-is-so-lazy-that-thread.220241/
I guess you are fairI am the ultimate italian, i hate and discriminate against everyone equally
Can't help themselves. The guy was so complimentary of Lukaku overall, said there is no other player like him in Italy, he's so strong, he such a good striker, can dominate defenses and is unstoppable unless you have 10 bananas. Obviously said it in jest, like Berlusconi when he met Obama and said he 'he looked a little sunburnt to me.' Is it racism? Or is it an unfortunate turn of phrase? I don't know.
When you mention bananas in this context, it's obviously racism. No other possibility here, masking it a joke is pathetic
To label Passirani racist, or what he said as racist, shows a complete misunderstanding of Italian values. When he made the comment about the bananas, he doesn't intrinsically think that a black person is more prone to eating bananas, it is for comedic purposes and to make people laugh. Racist? I think the ones who say Passirani's comments are racist are actually the racist ones themselves because they are the ones making the connection between black people and monkeys.
That or he'd talk about ghettos again.
Edit: sorry guys this was a poor attempt at satire, what the pundit said was racist and unacceptable.
I imagine they'd do feck all. Why would they?
That you had to add an amendment to your post letting people know you deplore racism, maybe means you should have thought more about what you were actually trying to say with your query.
I don't think the second video necessarily negates the first. Stormzy might still think that they do look similar, but simultaneously still find it unacceptable and racist that a national newspaper mixed them both up. It's certainly symptomatic though.
I don't really see it with Stormzy and Lukaku, but one of my friends is the spitting image of Justice Smith (though a fair bit older) and I don't think making that kind of comparison is necessarily inherently racist, but that such comparisons often are rooted in racism and ignorance.
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The impression I've got, over the years, is that many Italians in football don't take racism seriously, and that they find it harmlessly amusing.
Just like we liken white players to white celebs etc. and nobody bats an eyelid. As long as you don't juxtapose Carrick with Lewandowski or Lukaku with Kante to say they look the same, it's not racism. There are hundreds of thousands cases of racism these days and we'd do well to combat them and stop imagining things.
God I hate people sometimes 
By the way where does this stereotype about black people being lazy come from? Where I live I've always heard things like 'honest', 'humble', 'shy' and 'hard-working'.
I am the ultimate italian, i hate and discriminate against everyone equally
do you have problems with the "terroni" 
Jokes aside, the thing with Passirani is that his outlook is pretty much ingrained in older people. I think he was trying to make a joke, and i don't think he realized the gravity of it. Lots of older people who don't understand what the issue is with racism, because their whole life it was never an issue
Of course not, why would i have any issue with those unwashed, ignorant, lazy, criminal, job-stealing, soap-eating scum. They're close enough to actual humans to deserve the same hatred
Full disclosure: 50% terrone. 100% cnut
Well silvietto also famously called angela merkel "unfeckable fatarse", so really, we know the answer
I'm not so sure. Context matters, and so do intentions. I heard the actual clip in Italian, there wasn't malice involved, it was just an old dude trying to be harmlessly amusing. Did he use a racial stereotype? Absolutely! Was he trying to be demeaning, offensive, insulting based on skin color? Probably not.
This is not to say Italy doesn't have a racist problem in the stadiums, but this one is a little bit more gray in my mind.
No, he called her 'culona inchiavabile' and he was probably right
Not this again. Intention and motivation means nothing, if you say racist shit then you're saying racist shit. Period. The only context in which that isn't the case is satire
Yeah, translate it englishNo, he called her 'culona inchiavabile' and he was probably right
So are you prepared to say that 60,000 Old Trafford fans singing "He's got a 24-inch penis" were racist?
I would say 60k old trafford fans were comfortable with racism
I maintain the blow back from this against that group of United support soured the relationship and it suffered from then on.
Well thats wrong, the whole crowd werent singing it @Suedesi was exaggerating.
I was paraphrasing from his post. Yeah, i know they weren't all singing it and i don't think most people were actually comfortable with it
Got it, good to know.
So how many were singing it? 10,000? Does this make our fanbase blatantly racist? Do WE have a racist problem at United?
Everyone has a racism problem.
Everyone has like JP says but you cant just flat out say 60,000 which is 90% of the crowd were being racist.
Shall we amend the thread title to "Racism against Lukaku in the World"?
Well a lot of people here are flat out saying Italians are racist (all 60 million of them)
You could since Italy is part of the world, you could also keep "in Italy" since the thread is about a specific event that happened in Italy.
How is that misunderstood? I dont give a shit if you're going after somebody for their personality or decisions they have made privately (see icardi, giggs etc), but when its something like the colour of their skin, sexuality or religious preference, it significantly crosses the line. There is no excuse, they're just racists looking for an excuse to justify it.
There's anonymity in a crowd, there's anonymity in an online crowd; how cowardly the brave outspoken are.
I think you are seeing this from an Anglo Saxon point of view, and hence your perplexity.
Without the intention of generalizing, I have met many Italians, and they have all been very clear about their opinions with blacks. Openly racist or trying to avoid them at all times.
Total indifference about what they may think or feel.
There are small situations of everyday life that would leave you in shock.
@giorno I think you're the first non-racist Italian I know, and I don't say that we Spaniards are better, but maybe not so honest.
Without the intention of generalizing, I have met many Italians, and they have all been very clear about their opinions with blacks. Openly racist or trying to avoid them at all times.
Total indifference about what they may think or feel.
There are small situations of everyday life that would leave you in shock.
@giorno I think you're the first non-racist Italian I know, and I don't say that we Spaniards are better, but maybe not so honest.
‘Black people have been labelled as lazy ever since they stopped working for free’.
Yeah, I think that's key: defining people by how hard they work (for 'you').
I venture that it's also key to understanding the craven religious work ethic.
True, the people actually calling out racism and racist values are the real racists! Silly me.
Interesting, hadn’t looked at it that way but it makes sense, conformity is a powerful tool.
Is this post a WUM? Tell me, what the feck is funny about it?