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Ole has a long-term rebuild plan. One problem with this is that he doesn't have the credentials to withstand inevitable waves of criticisms if the team languishes in midtable come November. No big club writes off 2-3 seasons in order to become competitive again, not a club with such a huge fanbase and reputation. It's not the 80's when Fergie was given 5 years to turn it around. And Fergie was much more proven at this point than Ole, he did wonders with Aberdeen.

Second problem is that the deadwoods assassinating revolution was silly, given that the players weren't replaced. When you put enormous physical demands on the players by wanting from them to press high without having much of the ball, you need a big squad with players ready to step in and not with youngsters who are physically not ready to play 90 minutes, let alone to press several games in a row. You might do the rebuilding job more continuously.
 

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Wonder when you guys will stop this. It wasn't just last summer that triggered Jose's exit, it started long back. People really forget how poor we were in second half of 2017-18 season, just like people forget how poor we were in 2015-16 season. Ole being wrong choice doesn't mean sacking Jose was wrong. Both are wrong choices and with bit of luck and board making proper decision for once, we might end up with right choice.

He had his squad and went to self destruct mode, lets not rewrite history now. Not signing CB doesn't mean it wasn't Jose's squad. It was built by him and coached for 2.5 years.
Exactly and look at some of the dross Jose wanted to blow more money on. Short term players like Perisic and William who wouldn’t have made us much better but would have been stuck at the club on huge wages and long term contract like Matic.

Until we realise we need to be run like all the other top football clubs and not just make money this cycle will continue.

I like Ole but he isn’t a great manager, never has been he’s here because weak any kind of planning and identity. When he’s sacked it will be same case of just appointing ring whoever is available and hoping they make everything better after a 100m net spend.
 

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Will you people shut the feck up with this kind of crap? Unlucky? Have we been unlucky for the past 6 years? The best teams in the world make their own luck, we struggle to create chances and score goals, and that is been going on for years. Nothing to do with bad luck, we are just a painfully average team.
Not talking about 6 years. Just taking about this season. We've been equal to or better than our opposition in all games but we dont have a lot to show for it. Score the 2 pens and we'd be 1 point off 2nd and everything will be rosy. Take advantage of spells of domination against Southampton, Palace and Wolves and everyone will be chanting Ole's name
 

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I backed Ole but I have to admit, I am not so sure any more. He is looking lost more and more.
 

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I had a read through a few forums last night. A lot of teams didnt have the best of weekends. And I can say honestly, no other club has the same amount of wannabes and knee jerk fans as this forum.
 

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He is full of empty promises, but I don't see any point sacking him as we will be in the exact same situation with a different manager. This is on Woodward and the Glazers.
 

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I had a read through a few forums last night. A lot of teams didnt have the best of weekends. And I can say honestly, no other club has the same amount of wannabes and knee jerk fans as this forum.
Doesn't count as knee jerk when most of us have been saying it since the backend of last season.
 

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Doesn't count as knee jerk when most of us have been saying it since the backend of last season.
Most of you? A few idiots, yes. Who wouldn’t recognize a football if it hit you in the back of the head. If you don’t realize that the manager has to trust players like Mata and Matic, because that is what he got it’s just embarrassing. It was a bad game yesterday, and the thing that hurt was passing. The manager saw that, not many of you wannabes recognize it. Without the best players, this team is average. You can’t set it up to attack mind, but try to find balance. There are a lot of good posters here. But there are lots of loud wannabes. Lots. With no knowledge or loyalty.
 

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I had a read through a few forums last night. A lot of teams didnt have the best of weekends. And I can say honestly, no other club has the same amount of wannabes and knee jerk fans as this forum.
The media plays a part. They know anything related to United sells, so they stir the shit all the time. The dimwits at home play in their hand
 

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Ole is not suited to the job.

Yes there are tons of better manager than him.

Yes it will be better for our future to get a stronger manager and one who has a real philosophy on the pitch.

Ole is stubborn with playing academy players like Mc Tominay, Pereira etc and it will cost his position for sure.

Nevertheless, Woodward decided to not replace Herrera, not replace Lukaku.

It's a combined mistake made by governance and the captains ship.

10th in the league is coming
 

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Since he was appointed as a permanent manager we won 4 out of 15 PL games and scored 16 goals in 17 games. This pretty much sums it up.

You can always blame Woodward(rightfully so) for failing to sign a midfielder or a Lukaku replacement, but ultimately even our current players have all regressed under Ole.

Besides that purple patch when he was a temporary manager, there is nothing to suggest that he is anywhere near good enough for the job.
 
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Not talking about 6 years. Just taking about this season. We've been equal to or better than our opposition in all games but we dont have a lot to show for it. Score the 2 pens and we'd be 1 point off 2nd and everything will be rosy. Take advantage of spells of domination against Southampton, Palace and Wolves and everyone will be chanting Ole's name
It works both ways though. If Leicester took their chance early on we were screwed. Chelsea score instead of hitting the post in that first game and how was that going to end?
 

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If anyone of you think that Mata and Matic and Lingard are better than Herrera and Fellaini then you have been in a fantasy world.
I agree Fellaini is not a club like United needs but neither are the players he kept and they are worse.
 

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If anyone of you think that Mata and Matic and Lingard are better than Herrera and Fellaini then you have been in a fantasy world.
I agree Fellaini is not a club like United needs but neither are the players he kept and they are worse.
True but you cannot replace 10 players in one window.
 

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I'm a huge Ole fan. Legend, but to those who are blaming everything but the manager and suggesting it's all down to the players and Woodward then you should think again. Ole is no Pep. No Klopp. No Poch. Ole is not even a Brendan Rogers.

To see the impact a good manager can have look at Leicester. They're not stacked with world class talent but as soon as Rogers took over their style of play changed for the better almost instantly. I'm not calling for Rogers to come here by the way or saying he is a great manager, just highlighting what a truly good manager can and should be able to do with a squad. I have seen nothing since that magical run to suggest Ole can achieve anything here and I am truly sorry to say that as I wanted Ole to succeed as much as anyone.

You can talk about 'We are Man Utd' at all the press conferences you want but ultimately the talking should be on the pitch and we look awful with little signs that it will improve.

Letting Lukaku go and relying on Rashford was a massive error in judgment.
 

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You can easily sign more than 3
Exactly. This was meant to be a major overhaul. I get not signing players for the sake of it if the ones we want aren't available, but spread the net a bit wider, there's quality out there, but from the outside looking in it just seems more often than not we're not interested.
 

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The media plays a part. They know anything related to United sells, so they stir the shit all the time. The dimwits at home play in their hand
I realize that. But there are educated people in the media to, who keep a level head and good analysis.Not even Everton fans are this far fetch. At least they manage to understand football and the process behind it. On here it’s popular to be reactionary, and I’m starting to believe that sub culture has grown over a few years. It’s not only a few players who can be counted as deadwood.
 

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I realize that. But there are educated people in the media to, who keep a level head and good analysis.Not even Everton fans are this far fetch. At least they manage to understand football and the process behind it. On here it’s popular to be reactionary, and I’m starting to believe that sub culture has grown over a few years. It’s not only a few players who can be counted as deadwood.
I think our fanbase used to being spoilt for a long time under Fergie (there were still experts telling us to get rid of him asap at the time...)
 

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I'm a huge Ole fan. Legend, but to those who are blaming everything but the manager and suggesting it's all down to the players and Woodward then you should think again. Ole is no Pep. No Klopp. No Poch. Ole is not even a Brendan Rogers.

To see the impact a good manager can have look at Leicester. They're not stacked with world class talent but as soon as Rogers took over their style of play changed for the better almost instantly. I'm not calling for Rogers to come here by the way or saying he is a great manager, just highlighting what a truly good manager can and should be able to do with a squad. I have seen nothing since that magical run to suggest Ole can achieve anything here and I am truly sorry to say that as I wanted Ole to succeed as much as anyone.

You can talk about 'We are Man Utd' at all the press conferences you want but ultimately the talking should be on the pitch and we look awful with little signs that it will improve.

Letting Lukaku go and relying on Rashford was a massive error in judgment.
And this is a perfect Example of a shit post I’m talking about. And there are loads of them. Please have the decency to actually watch the games. Study the line ups. Try and see what options the managers had, and even then take it a bit further, study the stats after the games. Compare them. Need I remind you Man Utd beat Rodgers one week ago? Actually pretty much nullified them, and on paper Rodgers had a better team. Reactionary and lazy fans are the worst.
 

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It's like the Moyes syndrome. We will keep him till the end of the season and then try to get another manager and the team would be in mid table and no decent player will want to come.
He has got to go now. I don't want to see him humiliated. He should go with mutual understanding.
 

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And this is a perfect Example of a shit post I’m talking about. And there are loads of them. Please have the decency to actually watch the games. Study the line ups. Try and see what options the managers had, and even then take it a bit further, study the stats after the games. Compare them. Need I remind you Man Utd beat Rodgers one week ago? Actually pretty much nullified them, and on paper Rodgers had a better team. Reactionary and lazy fans are the worst.
Did you watch us last week?
 

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It's like the Moyes syndrome. We will keep him till the end of the season and then try to get another manager and the team would be in mid table and no decent player will want to come.
He has got to go now. I don't want to see him humiliated. He should go with mutual understanding.
And you don’t even feel embarrassed writing this? You don’t even cringe?
 

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I realize that. But there are educated people in the media to, who keep a level head and good analysis.Not even Everton fans are this far fetch. At least they manage to understand football and the process behind it. On here it’s popular to be reactionary, and I’m starting to believe that sub culture has grown over a few years. It’s not only a few players who can be counted as deadwood.
You realise that our expectations and Everton fans' are completely different? (or at least it used to be, now it seems that half of our fans would be fine finishing 10th as it's a part of the process to become great again). I don't see much kneejerking, just people who tell it how it is unlike some others who feel they must defend the manager no matter what. It was absolutely clear to me and a few others that this appointment was terrible and gonna end in one way, glad to see more and more people start opening their eyes.
 

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3 shots on target against Westham , 2 against Wolves , 3 against Palace , 3 against Leicester. Total 11 shots on target in the last 4 games, how is this an attacking football ? I swear we create more chances and more opportunity to score with the likes of Sanchez, Fellaini , Lukaku instead of what we have currently.
That is pathetic.
 

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And you don’t even feel embarrassed writing this? You don’t even cringe?
Why should I? I didn't start supporting United in 1985. I have been a supporter from the late 60s. We have been relegated too but it was never this pathetic.
 

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And this is a perfect Example of a shit post I’m talking about. And there are loads of them. Please have the decency to actually watch the games. Study the line ups. Try and see what options the managers had, and even then take it a bit further, study the stats after the games. Compare them. Need I remind you Man Utd beat Rodgers one week ago? Actually pretty much nullified them, and on paper Rodgers had a better team. Reactionary and lazy fans are the worst.
We were pretty lucky last week to win. We didn't create much and West Ham also didn't create more than Leicester did last week.
 

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And this is a perfect Example of a shit post I’m talking about.
A bit harsh but I'm a big boy.


And there are loads of them. Please have the decency to actually watch the games.
There are loads of them because a lot of people share the same view. And I do watch the games and if they're not televised I watch the live feed so get off your high horse.

Study the line ups. Try and see what options the managers had, and even then take it a bit further, study the stats after the games. Compare them.
I do. I see what options there are for him and as for stats, the only stats I care about dude is the W-D-L stats and our are completely awful for a club of our size.

Need I remind you Man Utd beat Rodgers one week ago? Actually pretty much nullified them, and on paper Rodgers had a better team. Reactionary and lazy fans are the worst.
No you needn't but I still stick to my opinion that Rogers's work is more visible and I would go as far to say he is a far better manager than Ole. Morally High Grounded fans are the worst.
 

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I have been an Ole supporter and a fan, I thought he brought principles to the team and we were looking different at the beginning of the season. However; we saw this when he first came in where we pressed high for 4/5 games then I dont know what happened we stopped.

So Ole said he wants his team to press? Noble had the ball for over 10 seconds outside our penalty area and no one pressed.. there is no excuse to that.

We looked asleep and to say we played Thursday as well is not an excuse cause there was 9 changes to the team.
 

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The 6 months since that win in Paris are maybe the worst 6 months post Fergie.

And think of how bad it's been since Fergie left, it's been awful, and yet I honestly think the last 6 months are probably the worst sustained form we've had.

Other than Chelsea at home, when we were still pretty crap for large parts of it, I don't think we've played well in that time. We have been terrible every game now for months.

We can't score, we create nothing, we lose regularly. It's bleak.
 

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That was allmost as embarrassing as the rest of your posting.

No its not, its develop.
Agree. No way in hell he is Man Utd supporter!
Most of you? A few idiots, yes. Who wouldn’t recognize a football if it hit you in the back of the head. If you don’t realize that the manager has to trust players like Mata and Matic, because that is what he got it’s just embarrassing. It was a bad game yesterday, and the thing that hurt was passing. The manager saw that, not many of you wannabes recognize it. Without the best players, this team is average. You can’t set it up to attack mind, but try to find balance. There are a lot of good posters here. But there are lots of loud wannabes. Lots. With no knowledge or loyalty.
And this is a perfect Example of a shit post I’m talking about. And there are loads of them. Please have the decency to actually watch the games. Study the line ups. Try and see what options the managers had, and even then take it a bit further, study the stats after the games. Compare them. Need I remind you Man Utd beat Rodgers one week ago? Actually pretty much nullified them, and on paper Rodgers had a better team. Reactionary and lazy fans are the worst.
And you don’t even feel embarrassed writing this? You don’t even cringe?
Can you stop insulting posters? What are you trying to do here? Get free likes with showing how you are top red?
We get it, you disagree with everybody who thinks that Ole is wrong choice. Good for you. But insulting posters in every thread will not make your opinion about Ole more important
 

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Next 3-4 games will decide Ole's fate until Xmas. If we are in top 6, the Board will keep him. After Xmas, if we slip below 6th, Ole will be fired imo. I guess the owners will give Ole some of benefit of doubt, but I just do not see any winter signings if we are not in the fight for top 4 come end of December.
 

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Next 3-4 games will decide Ole's fate until Xmas. If we are in top 6, the Board will keep him. After Xmas, if we slip below 6th, Ole will be fired imo. I guess the owners will give Ole some of benefit of doubt, but I just do not see any winter signings if we are not in the fight for top 4 come end of December.
Yep, I thought he would be gone by December but it looks like the liverpool game might be the downfall for another manager too.
 

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Can you stop insulting posters? What are you trying to do here? Get free likes with showing how you are top red?
We get it, you disagree with everybody who thinks that Ole is wrong choice. Good for you. But insulting posters in every thread will not make your opinion about Ole more important
That's some bizarre posting alright. Properly wound up.
 

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It's also his team selection. He selects Mata. Even Rojo in midfield would be better with Fred pushed into the role Mata is playing and Rojo on the left with Jones instead of Matic.
 

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For all the talk from Ole last year about needing a full pre-season to get the team in full fitness to implement his style. We are only in September and some of the players are already knackered.

You couldn’t make this up if you wanted to.

(I reiterate that not all the blame should be directed at him, but this is his thread)
 

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For all the talk from Ole last year about needing a full pre-season to get the team in full fitness to implement his style. We are only in September and some of the players are already knackered.

You couldn’t make this up if you wanted to.

(I reiterate that not all the blame should be directed at him, but this is his thread)
The blame is not Ole but he has to take majority of the blame. We don't only look tired but not only that.. our attack is toothless, midfield cannot control a ball.

Matic cannot start any PL game.
 
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