Yeah, that shouldn't be stopping him from actually coaching the fecking team.
He's failing to do what he's paid for, and if it continues for even a handful of games, he'll be off - make no mistake.
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He's failing to do what he's paid for, and if it continues for even a handful of games, he'll be off - make no mistake.
We need a long term view and patience, and need to do it over multiple windows. It's the manner of which the cull took place over the summer without actual replacements that doesn't tally up and never did.
My point about the half baked strategy is a holistic view that includes lack of coaching, style or pattern of play.
I'm sure if you dig into other posts you'd find me against the Sanchez and Herrera sales at the time, citing the reasons above.
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Oh wow! Your still here. I thought you had left the forum after your pro-Glazer / Woodward propaganda posts.
I’m actually not Ole out or in. There’s no point firing him unless someone truly upgradeable becomes available. But either way, I notice this Keefy poster back with his me vs the world thing again. Same pattern different topic. Any poster disagrees they are seen as lesser supporters.
Got no interest in interviews etc at this point - it's way, way beyond that.
The footy is where it matters, nowhere else.
The footy is where it matters, nowhere else.
That’s not the point though. You just can’t expect a 17 year old with zero top flight experience to come in and lead the line. Everyone knew Lukaku was leaving then why didn’t we replace him? Other than a last minute effort to sign a striker in his mid 30s, there was no plan regarding replacing Lukaku. Greenwood might score 20 goals or maybe he will score 2 goals, but his contributions should be nothing more than a bonus, an add on to the main striker’s goals.
What’s next, sell Pogba on the last day of the window and expect Gomes/Hannibal to replace his contribution?
Attacker. Half the team is over the top, the only one Ole’s let go who was a significant part of the team was Lukaku and that was probably a deal too good to turn down for a player who wasn’t happy here. I would have taken Mandzukic or Llorente just to have an option but we didn’t, maybe we’re just determined to not making any more half-measures. By the rumours last summer we were looking for someone to replace Herrera aswell. I’m sure Ole and the club will have a player or two lined up.
I think our style of play was clear up until the injuries came. The drop in quality is just too big, it’s difficult to play on thw front foot and impose yourself against teams when you’re arguably fielding players of the same or even lesser quality compared to those you are facing. I think Ole feels the need to be more pragmatic right now than he’d like. As Keane pointed out after the West Ham game, you could swap the shirts of those teams and you wouldn’t know from the quality of those sets of players who were playing for which club.
I didn’t say they were succesful signings I said they were competent ones.
From what we’ve seen from them so far they’ve done well and are all young enough to bring stability to the team for many a years. No manager can predict how a signing will turn out but surely we can all agree that the players we signed this summer have the potential to be long term investments in areas that needed answers.
I’d have liked a DoF aswell but that’s not an argument for or against Ole.
What makes you think he did sign off? I suspect he wasn't that upset about it but I bet he told the board he needed replacements.
But I'm speculating, we don't know he did sign off on it, it's not his call.
Who were?
If we could see it on the pitch, there’d be no need to tell us in print.
Every man and his dog knew the players that needed getting rid of. Every man and his dog also knew that we need to bring in players to replace them. Here the club/Ole failed miserably. I know the order came from above but I'm putting the blame squarely on Ole because once he said we're not signing any more forwards because we want to continue the development of Greenwood he put himself right in the firing line. How the club/Ole thought they could get away with only having Martial, Rashford and a 17 year old leading our front line stinks of pure arrogance or stupidity. The same as not signing other CMs. Either way strike one against Ole.
He's promoted youth because basically he doesn't have much choice being so thin on the ground and to be truthful I think he's doing a horrible job of it. How is bringing youngsters on in the 80th minute when we're chasing games going to help their development ? Garner who should getting more minutes was playing excellently for the U23s, got called up to the first team squad, didn't make the bench and when he was sent back to the U23s his confidence looks shot to pieces. Chong looks like a headless chicken when he gets first team minutes. How is Gomes who I think is the best of the lot supposed to progress in his development when Ole is tactically clueless? Which has been proven the last 9 months. Letting Greenwood lead the line is suicide. He's 17 ffs. I can see him having a good season then stagnating completely which is more or less what happened to Rashford. Strike 2 against Ole.
Yes it's true he signed 2 good defenders but once again you don't need to be a brain surgeon to understand this. Our defence was crap. He signed 2 of the most expensive players for their position. End of. James has been another good signing but once again being used wrongly in the amount of game time he's been given. He was hardly discovered by Ole either. If Giggs didn't give the club the heads up about him then right now he'd be playing for Leeds.
People won't agree with what I've written and that's fair enough but what Ole has done outside of the playing side has been pretty basic and really nothing to get excited about but talking about the playing side I really want to know what Ole has done to make people think he's the man for the job? I've seen this question asked so many times on here and the only answers I keep hearing are about getting rid of players, signing players, youth and because he knows the club. Any others?
It's not all doom and gloom. I do think if we get a couple of players in in January, Bruno being one of them and get a tactically astute manager (money talks) we could be pushing for top 4 providing we haven't imploded by then, then in the summer carry on with the rebuild. The top managers are the difference between getting top players in. I'm afraid Ole doesn't fall into that bracket.
The replacements? The feck should I know. I'd like to think it was Fernandes and a striker (Mandzukic?). Reports out of Italy said the deal was agreed and then United pulled out for no obvious reason. Sounds like some Woody bullshit to me, but it could be Ole, who knows? I just don't get why we're slagging the guy off for it when he had openly said he wanted replacements and he's not the guy in charge of getting them.
People on forums shout a lot. But reasonable people often does not have the need to shout all the time.
Some people does not want to wait for a re-build as they think a re-build should take one night. Well okay, just stop whining all the time.
The first crisis came with the injuries in march/april. Then again now after a good start in the prem.
You would be very blind to think that these injuries does not affect style of play and performance.
Some people does not want to wait for a re-build as they think a re-build should take one night. Well okay, just stop whining all the time.
The first crisis came with the injuries in march/april. Then again now after a good start in the prem.
You would be very blind to think that these injuries does not affect style of play and performance.
He’s not but from what we ‘read’ he’s building something that once again makes no sense. He wanted a midfielder but no one who actually plays the double pivot role he’s trying to play, which tells me he see’s Pogba as a DM.
He was after a striker who is over the hill has very good aerial attributes but for what style of football exactly? Which to me means he didn’t want anyone blocking the way of Rashford and Martial but at the sametime was happy to buy a player to switch tactics to what we would do if we had Fellaini. So why get rid of Fellaini. He just doesn’t know what he’s doing.
We had zero injuries against wolves and Crystal Palace but we still looked like we was doing as much penetrating as a 2 inch penis.
Being from Norway won't help you a lot here even if you speak a lot of sense.
Isn't Longstaff a DM? And why would the press know who all his targets were? They might know whatever bullshit Woody fed them...
And I don't quite get why you're comparing a (formerly) top striker to Fellaini, an ok midfielder, is it just because they're good in the air?
We need a no.10 and a deeper midfielder, Fernandes is a no.10 who can also play deeper. If you don't see the link then I don't know...but ultimately there's absolutely feck all evidence that Ole wanted any of these players outside of muppet rumours, Woody's monologues to his journalist mates, and the odd throwaway comment by Ole about Longstaff.
Blah blah blah I'm sick and tired of these fighting talk interviews. How many times have we seen these from players and managers? STFU and do your talking on the pitch
Thank goodness you posted this, cheers. Chelsea have had a very solid spine for years, which has enabled them to stay within and around the top 4 even as they switch managers and make tactical adjustment.
To that, Abraham has done well in his loan spells and is used to men's football. Same with Mount and his full season at Derby with Lampard. Their central midfield, fullbacks and wide forwards are consistent pros who function well for their team.
Everyone keeps talking about a long term plan. Here's one, we win tomorrow and keep winning and improving and buying top players. Sorted!
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After 7 years, can it just be the players? Amazing to see how many players have left our club after Fergie and went and done/do well. With this as evidence, can it be something that just isn't right at Manchester United?
Ole, bless him, is United through and through but he has shown no evidence he's the man to bring us to the top. But you can't blame him, he is doing his best.
Ole, bless him, is United through and through but he has shown no evidence he's the man to bring us to the top. But you can't blame him, he is doing his best.
Longstaff is as DM ad Fred and McTomminay and he doest trust them two to play together.
You say why would they.. who have we signed that the press got wrong? Out of all the players linked there still wasn’t a DM. We have a number 10. Pogba for the all the Fernandes rumours I still don’t get what we was looking for achive, play him in the 10 and Pogba behind him?
As for Fellaini and Mandzukic I’m comparing there game play.. surly you can identify with that? Why sell a player to get away from a style to bring in a player who brings the style back.
This clown has quickly talked his way out of my graces.
It’s all cliches & empty rhetoric.
I’m just a fan but this guy has shown he is out of his depth & glazer mouthpiece.
Claiming to be happy with this squad heading into the season is reason enough for him to leave.
It’s all cliches & empty rhetoric.
I’m just a fan but this guy has shown he is out of his depth & glazer mouthpiece.
Claiming to be happy with this squad heading into the season is reason enough for him to leave.
Which ones apart from Evans, Keane and Zaha who should never have been sold?
What a bunch of crap:DDG/ Romero
AWB/ Dalot
Shaw/ Young
Maguire/ Jones
Lindelof/ Tuanzebe
Matic/ McTomminay
Pogba/ Fred
Mata/ Gomes
Lingard/ Pereira
James
Rashford/Martial
Our squads are equally as basic with the odd decent players. I would feel less inferior with either squad of players.
Azpilicelta and Alonzo are better than United's fullbacks. Equally defensively and hands down better going forward are Chelsea FBs. Their central midfield have better quality and depth easily. They also work much better together than United. Their center forwards have clear strengths and while not flashy, they are solid. 3 clear center forwards. United have one. Their wide forwards are better and more consistent pros than Pereria, Rashford and James. Pulisic, Pedro, Willian.
DDG/ Romero
AWB/ Dalot
Shaw/ Young
Maguire/ Jones
Lindelof/ Tuanzebe
Matic/ McTomminay
Pogba/ Fred
Mata/ Gomes
Lingard/ Pereira
James
Rashford/Martial
Our squads are equally as basic with the odd decent players. I would feel less inferior with either squad of players.
Moyes 2.0, never thought we’d make the mistake of hiring another rookie, but we did.
Ole out will be trending before Christmas
So Juventus play shit long ball football when Mandzukic is in the pitch? I think not. There's very little similarity between the two other than their being good in the air. And have you considered that Fred doesn't play DM for us, not because he's not defensive enough but because he's not good enough? I assume they were hoping to find someone better...
I think, in the not all that likely event we seriously looked at Fernandes, they were hoping we might score some bloody goals and sod wherever Pogba has to play to achieve that.
Again pure hyperbole which you're conjuring straight out of your arse. No one, literally no one is asking us to become that. The minimum expectation many fans have is to not look clueless in matches and play progressive football. Do you need to be one of the best league sides to beat 17th placed League 1 side? Is asking to beat likes of Palace, Southampton and compete with West Ham away too much? Because that's what many of his doubters are asking.
We are 11th placed side in the league, I would've zero problems with us being there if we were trying to play a brand of football which is easy on the eye. But, we play same old tumescent, shit on a stick football like we played under previous two managers only without their results. You only need to look at Lampards' Chelsea to see how much of an impact the type of football he's trying to implement has on the supporters. They are just 3 points ahead of us yet the atmosphere around the fanbase of two clubs couldn't be more different. No doubt you'll spin this as United fans being 'deranged, moronic, spoilt' and what not for not aligning with your viewpoint.
I have doubts about him because I see no progress being made on the pitch, I can live with our worst finish in the PL since Sir Alex retired if it meant we were building towards something and an identity or type of football were appearing on the pitch. But, after 10 months there's nothing out there. In fact, we've been only spiraling downwards.
I think there are fair points from both sides of the argument regarding Ole, but really most of the blame for me is on the board not backing the manager properly again. We needed at least another midfielder and right winger.
But what is the minimum we are willing to accept in the league. For me, if we are in the top 8 by Christmas I will be patient and hope we can snag a good signing or two in January, but any lower than that in the league isn’t good enough. And his tactics, team selection and subs have been mainly poor, so I fear we will struggle to achieve even that level.
Top 4 was never happening though given the summer we had.
But what is the minimum we are willing to accept in the league. For me, if we are in the top 8 by Christmas I will be patient and hope we can snag a good signing or two in January, but any lower than that in the league isn’t good enough. And his tactics, team selection and subs have been mainly poor, so I fear we will struggle to achieve even that level.
Top 4 was never happening though given the summer we had.
But why? We were still 3rd overall since Ole took over last season. And even including Mourinho's terrible start and Ole's relegation form near the end, we didn't finish that far off 4th. We spent a fortune on a CB and a RB and now people are saying 4th was never happening and 8th would be okay. We're just dropping our standards for no reason.
Agree with that too.
He might be gone if we get mauled against Liverpool
People are dropping standard because Ole is a average coach / manager. Never the level required at this club it's embarrassing. We could announce Beckham as the new coach and all of a sudden the "he needs time" arguments will come.
My prediction before the start of the season was 5th because we only did half of what was needed in the transfer window, but now seeing that with the poor management and injuries I think top 8 is fair to have patience with.
I genuinely think we could be bottom half by Christmas though.
Average is being kind.
So who is in the top 4 race?
Did you watch Juventus under Allegri?
Good tactics sod whoever Pogba has to play with. If true what exactly was the plan for Fernandes to get another play that just loves to shoot from distance.
Memphis. ADM. Falcao. Ibra.
Lukaku doing well. Sanchez has already scored goals. But I do mainly mean the guys above.
Lukaku was always going to score goals just as he was still doing here. Di Maria wasn't used correctly by Van Gaal. Ibra was very good for us.