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It's really fecking not. I'm sure they can all find a way to shut their mouth and walk the walk first.It's part of the job to take part in these interviews. I suggest you ignore them if they annoy you.
It's really fecking not. I'm sure they can all find a way to shut their mouth and walk the walk first.It's part of the job to take part in these interviews. I suggest you ignore them if they annoy you.
I'm sure Ole wouldn't mind skipping all interviews and press conferences, especially while the team is losing this many games. Every manager is expected to do this stuff when asked for it. If you want to be miserable over each interview he does, then go for it. There will be more to come.It's really fecking not. I'm sure they can all find a way to shut their mouth and walk the walk first.
So you want us to fail? Wow with supporters such as yourself who needs rivals?I’ll be happy when he’s gone. There’s no inbetween or hypotheticals. He’s a boarderline Championship manager doing a championship manager job.
It must be hard being so used to success that you're completely unable to support the team when they are struggling. Seriously, if you can't get behind the team when results are not going their way, you have no business getting behind them when they are winning.I’ll be happy when he’s gone. There’s no inbetween or hypotheticals. He’s a boarderline Championship manager doing a championship manager job.
Yeah yeah something like that. If it makes you feel like a better fan than me because you don’t want the best for your football club. I don’t mind. It’s like when we all applaud Roy Keane for telling Cara to do one when he was talking about Liverpool’s nearly men. I just have the same mentality when supporting my club. Keep your soft belly mentality. It stinks.It must be hard being so used to success that you're completely unable to support the team when they are struggling. Seriously, if you can't get behind the team when results are not going their way, you have no business getting behind them when they are winning.
Ermm. Tell me where I said that genius?So you want us to fail? Wow with supporters such as yourself who needs rivals?
I don't think I'm better than anyone. I'm merely pointing out that you take the good and the bad. You obviously want to only stand behind them when they are winning, and you will curse and yell and blame everyone when they lose. We're different people, which is fair enough.Yeah yeah something like that. If it makes you feel like a better fan than me because you don’t want the best for your football club. I don’t mind. It’s like when we all applaud Roy Keane for telling Cara to do one when he was talking about Liverpool’s nearly men. I just have the same mentality when supporting my club. Keep your soft belly mentality. It stinks.
You do realise he’s in a MANDATORY press conference?Shut the feck up, Just shut the feck up and stop talking and work more.
Wasn't hard - in fact you did so in the very post I quoted even:Ermm. Tell me where I said that genius?
Ole being gone = we've failed once more. Ole failing means the club's failing. You being happy that Ole fails = you being happy the club fails. I actually am a genius by the way both certifiable and proven so - but it doesn't take much more than the wits of a fairly average toddler to make that connection so it's actually quite impressive how hard you've failed.I’ll be happy when he’s gone.
I don't get people going mad at him answering questions in a mandatory interview. Do they expect him just to sit there and say nowt?You do realise he’s in a MANDATORY press conference?
what is wrong with you guys, you’ve all lost your heads. I really don’t think supporting football is good for your health
Or if he starts avoiding all interviews etc because the team is in bad form, what signals does that send? Do we want a manager who hides from the press when put under pressure?I don't get people going mad at him answering questions in a mandatory interview. Do they expect him just to sit there and say nowt?
It feels like we’ve got a lot of toxic fans that just can’t be happy with anything. They’ve decided ole is the bad guy now so whatever he does it’s wrong. Same sort of treatment pogba gets, it’s absolutely bonkers.I don't get people going mad at him answering questions in a mandatory interview. Do they expect him just to sit there and say nowt?
He’s failing anyway I’m just a realist. Either way at some point he will fail big enough for us to sack him. I just hope we don’t pursue with him based on our yo-yo performances. He’s not good enough and this has nothing to do with how successful I want the team to be. Abit like Mourinho finishing second and me not liking where he was taking our club.Wasn't hard - in fact you did so in the very post I quoted even:
Ole being gone = we've failed once more. Ole failing means the club's failing. You being happy that Ole fails = you being happy the club fails. I actually am a genius by the way both certifiable and proven so - but it doesn't take much more than the wits of a fairly average toddler to make that connection so it's actually quite impressive how hard you've failed.
Well if the board did there job like their little PR statement said when Mourinho got sacked we wouldn’t be angry at a club legend. But instead of evaluating the manager position they gave it to a rookie because he was saying all the right things.It feels like we’ve got a lot of toxic fans that just can’t be happy with anything. They’ve decided ole is the bad guy now so whatever he does it’s wrong. Same sort of treatment pogba gets, it’s absolutely bonkers.
All of us want to see us win and do well, but sitting online slagging him off is just sad.
It's just that they are so desperate now that they don't even think.I don't get people going mad at him answering questions in a mandatory interview. Do they expect him just to sit there and say nowt?
The amount of mental gymnastics people will do to make their pointDon't think you know what toxic means.. Herrera left because he was demanding figures close to Sanchez. That signing alone made our dressingroom toxic. We were doing well under Mourinho until Sanchez's signing made the whole dressingroom pull apart....
You probably think 'toxic' means 'bad behaviour'.. I am talking about the dressingroom losing it's togetherness because the players were all signed for different managers and different styles on all sorts of bizarre contracts. It meant the dressingroom was split/splintered...
Totally the fault of Ed Woodward.
But something he has realised is NOT the way to get a club back to the top.. so he hired a young manager who will SLOWLY regain an identity at the club; has got rid of those on stupid contracts and those demanding stupid contracts and splitting the dressingroom - and now we ALMOST have everybody in it together. It will take time - maybe three more years - for this to come to full fruition... so pipe down with the negative attitude; realise that if you were a United fan in 1988 you would have wanted Fergie out the door and if you were a United fan in 1951 you would have wanted Busby out the door; get your self some patience (I don't know; can you do Yoga, do a meditation class) and give Ole your full support.
Strawman.So you think if Ole acts like a lunatic on the touchline, Pogba will score his penalties, De Gea won't make a goalkeeping error, Scott McTominay will play a match winning through ball like Paul Scholes?
What do you want him to do substitute himself on and score a 92nd minute winner?
In a job in which you run a team, your personality, the way you transmit your ideas and whether you can be stern and encouraging in the right measure depending on the situation is quite important. Ole says as much whenever he refers to Fergie.What is this right kind of personality? Again you are linking results with personality. If Pep fecks KdB's wife, does that mean he has right kind of personality considering he is the best manager in the world?
Personality is different from ability. You are mixing them up.
He can inspire players, motivate them but when he can't coach the players and get what he wants from them then it all counts for nothing. Right now you are coming to conclusion that he can't inspire, motivate based on results when it could easily be the problem with his coaching.
1) First we would need to agree which players are deadwood. It’s clear Valencia, Darmian are in that category. But Fellaini, Herrera, Smalling, and even Alexis are very debatable.Reality is,
he has done exactly as 99% of our supporters have asked...
1) Removed deadwood - He's done more with the squad in 9 months (ONE Transfer window) than Jose did in 2 and half years (5 Transfers windows) for god sake!
2) Promoted and involved youth, Heavily!
3) Addressed key areas in our defence.
You're not one for giving patience clearly cause as I've just proven matter of fact he is doing what was asked of him but because we aren't Barca circa 2008 he has to go?
Yea I think you are right, andIt's just that they are so desperate now that they don't even think.
There are few posts in this thread i think which said "i don't care about his interviews" and thats posted in the thread that is dedicated for his interview.
Interesting point, he seems to be doing that a lot atm. With the whole "you can lose to anyone in this league" malarkey..Sounds like propaganda in case we get smashed by Arsenal. feck that shit. This is no different to Moyes.
you're right, that was a silly syllogism but it is one that could be done based on what he wrote.Wasn't hard - in fact you did so in the very post I quoted even:
Ole being gone = we've failed once more. Ole failing means the club's failing. You being happy that Ole fails = you being happy the club fails. I actually am a genius by the way both certifiable and proven so - but it doesn't take much more than the wits of a fairly average toddler to make that connection so it's actually quite impressive how hard you've failed.
Think you won that one!Lampard has been there a whopping 9 feckin games man!
If Ole's start is roundly mocked / ignored and put down to "new manager bounce" then why isn't Lampards?
Lets see where he is come the end of the season cause defensively they are woeful and they still have a lot of issues across the park and started their CL campaign with a loss.
Chong has played 3 times for the senior side...three... here you are praising Lampard for 9 games but saying Chong's career is over after 3?
Again, you're an embarrassment and clowns like you make me ashamed to be a United supporter.
What I'm saying is that changing the manager (again!) isn't the answer, and will most likely achieve very little. There's a lot of work to be done to transform the club into one capable of challenging for the big prizes, and I'm satisfied that progress is being made even if this isn't yet evident from results on the pitch. There is also a lot more work to be done.In essence, you are implying it doesn't matter how shit the manager is, we must simply keep him to continue the rebuild so we don't come across as the club that sacked it's fourth manager in about 8 years. You are more interested in keeping a manager because we tried other methods before and also bcos he is a rookie and a club legend who you automatically assume will come good. This is the difference between clubs like Barca, Bayern, Real and us. We are one bunch of sentimental fans. We really like to make the club appear special and different whereas we are regressing but at the same time stuck to old times. Modern football has moved on from Manchester United and unless we roll with the times, we are going to sink even further.
Alright. Fair enough. I hope for the best. I really wanna see us get back to challenging for the majors.What I'm saying is that changing the manager (again!) isn't the answer, and will most likely achieve very little. There's a lot of work to be done to transform the club into one capable of challenging for the big prizes, and I'm satisfied that progress is being made even if this isn't yet evident from results on the pitch. There is also a lot more work to be done.
Whether we like it or not, we are a long way off the likes of Liverpool and City right now, and it will take time to close the gap. In the meantime, we need to get a better balance in the squad by continuing to recruit the right sort of players, and continuing to move on those who aren't going to get us to where we want to be. Ole has done some good work in this area, and in truth has achieved more in his short tenure than his three predecessors did in 5 and a half years. We also need to improve our structures behind the scenes, and again things have been happening.
As fans, we are impatient and want to see things move on more quickly, but Ole faces a big task which has basically been neglected for years. Changing a manager who has already shown a determination to make the changes happen will, if anything, just slow things down.
As for the difference between Barca, Bayern, Real and us, the strength and depth of the opposition they face in their leagues is a more relevant factor.
Time will tell whose view is correct. No denying that. Give it up mate! Nothing will make me more excited than see us getting back to where we belong. Whether he is the right man or not remains to be seen.I'm sorry mate I can't take you serious. To me - this is how a child argues. You're pretty much saying "This is fact because reasons I've fabricated - and it doesn't matter what you or anyone says it's just bla bla bla and also you're sheep". I really can't be bothered repeating myself to every knee-jerking delusional simpleton on this forum though - so I'll just elaborate through a couple of quotes I feel to be spot on in regards to why a lot of us think dismissing this project at present is way premature - and also why making Ole out as some clueless amateur or presenting our current development as if nothing's changed since he took over downright moronic:
And this (much better than mine to be honest):
Yeh and he doesn't truly believe that himself. After any win he gets as carried away as anyone and talks a great game. Then as soon as we lose it's back to managing expectations. We've seen this before.Interesting point, he seems to be doing that a lot atm. With the whole "you can lose to anyone in this league" malarkey..
Preach!Yeh and he doesn't truly believe that himself. After any win he gets as carried away as anyone and talks a great game. Then as soon as we lose it's back to managing expectations. We've seen this before.
Yep with Gollum ‘The Wrong One’ .Yeh and he doesn't truly believe that himself. After any win he gets as carried away as anyone and talks a great game. Then as soon as we lose it's back to managing expectations. We've seen this before.
Too much time on your hands Adam? I keep seeing you trying to stem the tide all over the placeYou do realise he’s in a MANDATORY press conference?
what is wrong with you guys, you’ve all lost your heads. I really don’t think supporting football is good for your health
This at least we do agree onTime will tell whose view is correct. No denying that. Give it up mate! Nothing will make me more excited than see us getting back to where we belong. Whether he is the right man or not remains to be seen.
A week off work and lots of bones to pick! Not sure why I’m bothering tbh it’s like talking to rabid zombiesToo much time on your hands Adam? I keep seeing you trying to stem the tide all over the place
I can’t help myself at times, but it’s been a while since I’ve had your persistence.
Do know I appreciate you and the few other people trying to provide some balance.
I feel ya. Hard not to scratch that itch, but I find I never come away from it feeling better.A week off work and lots of bones to pick! Not sure why I’m bothering tbh it’s like talking to rabid zombies
The problem is I don’t blame people feeling bad right now as let’s be honest it’s an awful situation. I just don’t see where we go if we sack ole now/soon.I feel ya. Hard not to scratch that itch, but I find I never come away from it feeling better.
We know his signings have been on point, and that he’s doing important work in terms of clearing out deadwood. And I love that he’d rather go a bit bare into this season rather than signing someone he doesn’t reckon is fit for purpose, or whose head’s not in it for the right reasons. It seems obvious to me that even if we don’t get a shot at top 4, we’ll be better for it in the long run. Screw papering over the cracks.The problem is I don’t blame people feeling bad right now as let’s be honest it’s an awful situation. I just don’t see where we go if we sack ole now/soon.
what other managers out there? what plan do we follow? Woodward and ole have obviously got some sort of idea the direction they want to go, do we rip that up and start again?
the players on the pitch need to buck their ideas up as well, this was a match we should have won. Individual errors let us down again.
We had one of the most successful managers of all time in the post prior and it was the exact same. You can't blame the managerYou’re right it doesn’t make a difference at all.
It’s not just criticising him for his awful & boring football this season it’s end of last too. We have no identity, wake up!
You’re not being a top fan by accepting a mediocre manager who would struggle to get a Championship job, you’re harming the club by tolerating this
Okay if he makes "animations" United are going to play better, you should have been a comedianStrawman.