Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

Sack or Keep OLE?

  • Sack Ole & appoint new coach ASAP

  • Keep Ole & back him to finish rebuild


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Why do people keep saying there's no point in sacking him till the end of the season?? We can still manage to salvage this season ffs.

Spurs are on a terrible run, both arsenal and Chelsea are inconsistent as well. We can still make top 4 if we hire someone competent.

I'm not going to blame the board and our transfers if we can't beat relegation fodder or league one teams comfortably.

Keeping him will have us finishing 10th in the table, cementing our status as a midtable club. Good luck trying to bring in good players after that.
 

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I didn't say finish 7th or 8th for three years, my point is the pressure put on players and managers at Utd is immense, it's too much for anyone to handle, so many players and managers come to you as decent players and managers and wilt under it. We must win, we must attack, we must be fecking brilliant is unsustainable for every match.

This team is not a brilliant one but it is an improving one, giving them the freedom to feck up a bit and learn with it is crucial if you want these young players to grow. There is no premiership club that has been consistently top 4, clubs need to reform and regrow and most do because none place the same level of pressure and expectation on their team every single time they walk out on a pitch.
All big clubs have such pressure on them. It's not exclusive for United and a key factor to be successful at a big club, either player or a manager, is to handle pressure and expect that your performance will be micro analyzed and you are expected to deliver both results and performance. Those who can't handle such pressure at big clubs end up failing. That's the difference between a top tier player and a weak mentally one. I don't get why you think this is exclusive for United only.

4th spot and CL qualification is the bare minimum you can expect from your manager or squad in a big Premier League tea. . You don't get it then it is a failure of a season. That's not even putting much pressure on the manager. It's the bare minimum you can expect from them. Expecting anything lower than that and you will begin your descent to become a midtable club. It always starts like that. Being fine for your club to finish 8th in one season is just paving the road to start accepting it later on.

Anyway regardless from the results point, the criticism is even harsher because the manager has showed absolutely nothing remotely close to applying a clear style on the pitch that looks like a work on progress and is just missing key signings to finally click. We are 3 months away from completing a full year of him in charge and the team is still playing zombie football, look totally clueless when we have possession, can't build up a proper team play goals, relies on individual skills and pens to score and struggle to score one goal a game even against trash like Astana and League One side in League Cup. Bar Chelsea game, we struggled in literally every game this season.

Even the youth myth thing isn't right. They are barely getting chances in league games and are only thrown in cup games even with some senior players in their position obviously underperforming (like Lingard).

Literally you can't watch a match for United and think "yeah there's clear ideas being applied there but need more time to be polished and maybe a player here or there to make it click but it's a matter of time". You get the totally opposite idea. The team hasn't improved a single inch from football aspect and that's more concerning than even the terrible results.

As I always said patience is fine in football when and only when there's basis on it, either the results are improving or there's an obvious style being implemented on the pitch but lacks few more things. However, patience for just the sake of it isn't going to end in any positive manner. A clueless, terribly coached team for about a year isn't going to miraculously turn great and play breathtaking football under the same manager. I don't remember the last time this happened, as far as I'm concerned.
 

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He’s in boots to big for him to fill. A tactically unproven manager in the worlds toughest league is not what a declining superpower like Manchester United need. The permanent appointment was knee- jerk and till the time Ed is there, no good manager will want to join us.
 

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Sanchez is on loan. He also scored in his serie a debut with Inter. Only God knows how much we need a striker who actually score goals
That wasn't his debut as he played as a sub in an earlier match. It was his first start, you mean. Tbf he was considered a deadwood during his short time here, though of course an option is better than no options.
 

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A horse is never going go win a race against a Formula One car, no matter how many times you replace its jockey. And a mediocre, unbalanced squad is never going to compete against squads from functioning clubs that aren't owned by parasites, no matter how many times you replace its manager. That's why I was against sacking Mourinho and am now against sacking Ole.
 

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That wasn't his debut as he played as a sub in an earlier match. It was his first start, you mean. Tbf he was considered a deadwood during his short time here, though of course an option is better than no options.
Strangely enough no one really bothered to give him a run as a striker which is his preferred and most effective role. Meanwhile we are probably partly financing him at Inter while we are struggling to score goals ourselves. In 6 months time he will be back as Inter can't afford his salary so we are back to square one

Same with Smalling. He's our 2nd-3rd best CB and the only one bar Maguire to offer air dominance in defense. We allowed him to go on loan while keeping Jones and Rojo. Roma will be probably not afford his salary so he will be back as well

Herrera was our 2nd best CM and Fellaini was way better then Periera. The only deadwood we got rid off are Darmian and valencia. Rojo, jesse and young are still here., Mata's contract was renewed and Jones was handled a 5 year contract
 
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I’m proud of the results in this thread. I’ve been really worried coming here recently that the United fan base has become as pathetic and cowardly as the posts make it seem. As ever though the idiotic among us make the most noise and drown out rational posters.
 

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Are we really worse? I'd say we're pretty much where we were at this time last season and comparing results from the equivalent last year, we're actually doing better results-wise. I know it's scant consolation, but facts are facts - we were shit on a stick with Mourinho a supposedly world class coach.



Drew w/ Arsenal both seasons
Bettered Chelsea +2
Lost to CP vs a draw last year -1
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Drew at Wolves, vs losing last year +1
We're worse than we were when Ole took over as caretaker manager. He did more with Mourinho's squad than he's currently doing with the squad he made for this season
 

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All big clubs have such pressure on them. It's not exclusive for United and a key factor to be successful at a big club, either player or a manager, is to handle pressure and expect that your performance will be micro analyzed and you are expected to deliver both results and performance. Those who can't handle such pressure at big clubs end up failing. That's the difference between a top tier player and a weak mentally one. I don't get why you think this is exclusive for United only.
No not all the big clubs have the same pressure on them, United are one biggest clubs in the world, City, Spurs, Arsenal even Liverpool don't really come close on a global level. You are the victims of your own history, Busby Babes, Munich, Class of 92, the 99 cup final, total dominance for 20 odd years - noone else even comes close to this, it makes the decay over the last 6 years a massive focus for all football fans and the pressure on Utd to succeed far bigger than that on Chelsea, Arsenal etc

4th spot and CL qualification is the bare minimum you can expect from your manager or squad in a big Premier League tea. . You don't get it then it is a failure of a season. That's not even putting much pressure on the manager. It's the bare minimum you can expect from them. Expecting anything lower than that and you will begin your descent to become a midtable club. It always starts like that. Being fine for your club to finish 8th in one season is just paving the road to start accepting it later on.
This is just not the case over same time period clubs rise and fall, you are the only premiership club that has stayed a big club for such a long time, the only other club that could possibly claim the same is Arsenal, but your trophy count tells a different story. So yes 4th spot might be bare minimum when your a top PL team, but who stays a top PL team for ever, teams often drop away from that but the good ones bounce back come together and bounce back.

Anyway regardless from the results point, the criticism is even harsher because the manager has showed absolutely nothing remotely close to applying a clear style on the pitch that looks like a work on progress and is just missing key signings to finally click. We are 3 months away from completing a full year of him in charge and the team is still playing zombie football, look totally clueless when we have possession, can't build up a proper team play goals, relies on individual skills and pens to score and struggle to score one goal a game even against trash like Astana and League One side in League Cup. Bar Chelsea game, we struggled in literally every game this season.
This is subjective and looking in from the outside I totally disagree. Compared to where you were this time last year, you have a clear style on the pitch and in your transfer dealings, something that Mourinho despite all his experience never seemed to manage. Your team is settled the style is settled. You've improved your defence massively in one transfer window, you need a couple more at least to do that with the rest of the team and yes you've had some shitty games, West Ham this season and Everton last season, but to say you've struggled in every single game, just isn't true from what I've watched. You've been up and down and yes made some silly mistakes, but clueless, struggling and outplayed? I dont think so, but like I said it is subjective

Even the youth myth thing isn't right. They are barely getting chances in league games and are only thrown in cup games even with some senior players in their position obviously underperforming (like Lingard).

Literally you can't watch a match for United and think "yeah there's clear ideas being applied there but need more time to be polished and maybe a player here or there to make it click but it's a matter of time". You get the totally opposite idea. The team hasn't improved a single inch from football aspect and that's more concerning than even the terrible results.
Youth are getting plenty of chances, compared to last year, and given what ive said about pressure maybe too much. James should no way be the focus of all your attacking hopes, either should Rashford. Martial and Pogba yes and that's why I said in the original post if you want to look at something going wrong I'd ask why you get so many injuries and why they always take an age to come back.

I do watch United and think there's a clear idea here and with 3,-4 extra players bought over 18 months I can see it clicking, your football has definitely changed in the last 12 months and continues to change.

As I always said patience is fine in football when and only when there's basis on it, either the results are improving or there's an obvious style being implemented on the pitch but lacks few more things. However, patience for just the sake of it isn't going to end in any positive manner. A clueless, terribly coached team for about a year isn't going to miraculously turn great and play breathtaking football under the same manager. I don't remember the last time this happened, as far as I'm concerned.
This just reads like we can be patient when we're winning!
 

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Heard this nonsense before it's getting so Boring... :yawn:

But hey I guess if you repeat a lie often enough and you're something of a simpleton then chances are you'll start believing it. And it is a lie because the only people I hear saying this - that we should keep him because he's a club legend - are you guys - his haters. You make this shit up to discredit those who disagree with you despite them never having made that point themselves - while the ones supporting him usually makes good and often lengthy assessments as to why they feel it's still too soon to dismiss him. You have no real counter to what they're actually saying - the points actually made by them - so you just fabricate this bullcrap pretending this what motivates them then focus on that instead. It's not something anyone who's hit maturity is able to take serious - not exactly the hallmarks of a gifted person who's convictions holds any relevance whatsoever sorry to say but more that of a moron.

Good luck with that I suppose - being a moron. I've heard you guys are happier at least :lol:
Feck off with this holier than thou, better fan than you cretinous post. I love the club the same way you do. No doubts about that. That you are blind or insensitive to the fact that Ole is taking us nowhere is your business not mine. I guess your level of amnesia is truly remarkable but because I did tell you earlier that time will judge who's opinion is right between us. We all have differing opinions and I respect yours. You can never convince me that a manager that is anything but mediocre leading my club and being the manager who is third from bottom position in chances created is a good one. He is not. You have not told me any tactical ingenuity Ole has displayed as a manager at all and what he is doing others can't since he needs another hundreds of millions to beat Palace and Soton. I don't care how you spin. Time will show he is not good for us and you can quote me on this.

I have no doubts but to assume you are one of the feckwits who made silly, asinine excuses for Moyes despite it being clear he was out of his depth. Your baseless defence of Ole tells me this. I don't know you from anywhere apart from this forum and it's unfortunate that it allows all kinds of retards in who cannot understand that not everyone will see things the same way or jump on the same bandwagon. Ole I love as a player but as a manager he is not up to scratch. What's the big deal in differing views? Frankly, I am done discussing this shit with you and I won't dignify you anymore with a response. Whatever makes you sleep well sir!
 

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We're worse than we were when Ole took over as caretaker manager. He did more with Mourinho's squad than he's currently doing with the squad he made for this season
We're way better in defense and in terms of team cohesion - being able to both sustain pressure without leaking goals up, down, south and north and also to keep the ball while pushing high - none of which we were capable of last season. What we're lacking though is the creativity needed to convert our dominance into chances and also that final touch when chances do emerge - and not to mention luck. We've had maximum punishment for every mistake made plus missed a lot of clear-cut chances - and we've also burnt a few crucial penalties. Last game we lost two points due to a totally incompetent lineman for feck's sake (seriously if I was just a tag more paranoid I'd say he sabotaged us on purpose it was actually that unbelievable big a blunder). I feel we're in the opposite situation now compared to what was going on when we experienced that insane run during Ole's first months - because we didn't look that good during a lot of those games even while winning and there was a lot of us warning about this being fearful that reality was about to strike us down (which it did massively so even). Now you can see a lot of the issues that made us so unreliable back then has been addressed - we actually look the better team throughout our games - but we fail to create and even more so to convert so despite deserving more we reap less.

I'm guessing the gamble during last window was that the reinforcements in defense combined with gifting our youth some playtime would compensate for not reinforcing our midfield and attack - that conceding less would make up for scoring less and also that the kids would eventually evolve with experience as the season progressed - and even though it almost paid off and I can see why allowing our talents to develop could prove a worthwhile investment - I feel this transition would be less painful had they put some real effort into securing us those two-three extra improvements needed up front. I consider that Ole's only real mistake so far - but to me at least that's something I've got no issues whatsoever looking beyond as I can understand the reasoning behind not rushing into the market and risk ending up with even more mismatches than the one's we already suffering from - and also due to the fact that Solskjaer himself is well aware of this situation and has promised to remedy it as soon as possible.


Feck off with this holier than thou, better fan than you cretinous post. I love the club the same way you do. No doubts about that. That you are blind or insensitive to the fact that Ole is taking us nowhere is your business not mine. I guess your level of amnesia is truly remarkable but because I did tell you earlier that time will judge who's opinion is right between us. We all have differing opinions and I respect yours. You can never convince me that a manager that is anything but mediocre leading my club and being the manager who is third from bottom position in chances created is a good one. He is not. You have not told me any tactical ingenuity Ole has displayed as a manager at all and what he is doing others can't since he needs another hundreds of millions to beat Palace and Soton. I don't care how you spin. Time will show he is not good for us and you can quote me on this.

I have no doubts but to assume you are one of the feckwits who made silly, asinine excuses for Moyes despite it being clear he was out of his depth. Your baseless defence of Ole tells me this. I don't know you from anywhere apart from this forum and it's unfortunate that it allows all kinds of retards in who cannot understand that not everyone will see things the same way or jump on the same bandwagon. Ole I love as a player but as a manager he is not up to scratch. What's the big deal in differing views? Frankly, I am done discussing this shit with you and I won't dignify you anymore with a response. Whatever makes you sleep well sir!
Haha! You're such an awesome supporter for sure - so eager to see yet another project fail. I bet it would even make you happy - wouldn't it? Watching the club having to reset itself once more just so you can say "I told you so?" With brilliant supporters such as yourself - who needs rivals. Oh and if you respect the opinions of others so much then why do you constantly attempt to dismiss those disagreeing with you as some kind of Ole-cultists - despite so many of us actually presenting you with proper arguments as to why we're still willing to cut him some slack? Because we've done that over and over again you know - despite you pretending it never happened. I mean for feck's sake I've never even said I'm totally convinced Ole will end up a success - don't think I've seen anyone make that bold statement and I'm still reserved as are most - my whole point is it's way premature to dismiss him at this point.

So give me a rest dude - you're absolutely bonkers! Even if history proves you right - that won't change. A broken watch too gets it right twice a day :lol:

All I see in your post is a lot of anger and some convenient but simpleminded assessments that are out of context and lacking both nuances and a broader perspective - all of which has been addressed numerous times over both by myself and others. You're just focusing on the negatives ignoring anything positive - and even presenting the negatives in a very naive manner. Still present no proper arguments - no real substance - no balance or objectivity whatsoever to your contributions. Not even a trace of it. Color me completely unimpressed - and even more so unsurprised as to your shortcomings ;)
 
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I think if given 1-2 years though unlikely, Ole will come out good. Clearly there is a plan and a good one, i like it what i have seen so far , it is just bad luck that Martial got injured without having a backup striker and Rashford's confidence suddenly went downhill..
 

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I’m proud of the results in this thread. I’ve been really worried coming here recently that the United fan base has become as pathetic and cowardly as the posts make it seem. As ever though the idiotic among us make the most noise and drown out rational posters.
I’m bemused why there is such a smug satisfaction knowing United fans just give managers time no matter how crap they are at the job, even if they have zero credit in the bank like Ole.

But each to their own.
 

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Why? if that's the case we can put Ole in charge of City and they'll win the league with 100 pts, because hey good managers doesn't mean squat
I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply.

How did Pep do before he was given a fortune to spend on defenders and a keeper?

How did Mancini beat SAF to a title?

Why do teams even bother buying new players if a manager is the difference between relegation and Europa? Just give all the money to the best manager in the world instead.
 

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I’m bemused why there is such a smug satisfaction knowing United fans just give managers time no matter how crap they are at the job, even if they have zero credit in the bank like Ole.

But each to their own.
It’s a sort of a kink at this point, was the same with Moyes, really really bizarre thing.
 

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I’m proud of the results in this thread. I’ve been really worried coming here recently that the United fan base has become as pathetic and cowardly as the posts make it seem. As ever though the idiotic among us make the most noise and drown out rational posters.
Every time Mourinho lost a game his one increased so let's revisit this post in a few weeks.
 

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I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply.

How did Pep do before he was given a fortune to spend on defenders and a keeper?

How did Mancini beat SAF to a title?

Why do teams even bother buying new players if a manager is the difference between relegation and Europa? Just give all the money to the best manager in the world instead.
I dont know. You tell me

You're saying saf wont fare better than ole if he managed cardiff.
 

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This season is a complete write off regardless of whose in charge. I'd let him see it out while we line up a replacement for the summer. If he miraculously manages to get top 6 then maybe I'd keep him on.
 

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I’m proud of the results in this thread. I’ve been really worried coming here recently that the United fan base has become as pathetic and cowardly as the posts make it seem. As ever though the idiotic among us make the most noise and drown out rational posters.
Very odd. You think you’re a better fan or something for supporting a woeful, boring & underachieving manager?

Now that’s pathetic & cowardly
 

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I dont know. You tell me

You're saying saf wont fare better than ole if he managed cardiff.
Better yes, enough to stop them getting relegated probably not. Would Pep be able to keep my Sunday league team in the PL?
 

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No he just doesn't consider him to be neither woeful boring nor underachieving probably. Those are your assessments not his.
Well he’s lying to himself then. Our worst start in 30 years..30 years. The football is boring to watch with no identity.

You guys are fooling yourselves.

Let me repeat. 30 years.

And again. 30 years.

How’s that NOT underachieving??
 

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The Arsenal game gave me back some faith in Ole. I believe if the Club give him a decent striker and RW/AMC, we can go much much further in the future. The fight was there. We created decent chances, just lack the magic and finishing.

Now if he stubbornly insists with Martial or Rashford, 10 goal a season strikers as the main one up front, he deserve the sack.
 
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This season is a complete write off regardless of whose in charge. I'd let him see it out while we line up a replacement for the summer. If he miraculously manages to get top 6 then maybe I'd keep him on.
This is the sensible approach. Give him the January window to plug some gaps (surely we will do this) and then the rest of the season to see what direction we're headed.

Sacking him now would be stupid but so too would be letting him carry on regardless of how we've done over the whole season. If, after January, the team is still struggling with the same basic problems until the end of the season then yes, he should go.
 

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So you think that these guys whose 'impressive' resume include Cardiff, Melbourne and the Bahrain are the best we can get? When you consider the experience of these guys added to that of the likes of Ole, Carrick, Woodward and Mckenna then no wonder why the club seem clueless
Well since you seem to know, who are the best we can get, and what will these people be doing when they arrive at the club?
 

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Well since you seem to know, who are the best we can get, and what will these people be doing when they arrive at the club?
I suspect that there are way better coaches and managers then people who were out of depth at Cardiff, St pauli or in some backtrop in Australia prior to joining us. But maybe I'm wrong on that. We can only judge them from their results. Oh wait
 
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Well he’s lying to himself then. Our worst start in 30 years..30 years. The football is boring to watch with no identity.

You guys are fooling yourselves.

Let me repeat. 30 years.

And again. 30 years.

How’s that NOT underachieving??
Are you not bored of yourself by this point? slagging off Ole is literally all you do on this forum.
 

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I suspect that there are way better coaches and managers then people who were out of depth at Cardiff or were employed at Australia prior to joining us. But maybe I'm wrong on that. We can only judge them from their results. Oh wait
You don't know is what you're saying. You don't know who these coaches/analysts are, and what they're supposed to do.
I’m proud of the results in this thread. I’ve been really worried coming here recently that the United fan base has become as pathetic and cowardly as the posts make it seem. As ever though the idiotic among us make the most noise and drown out rational posters.
Agreed mate. I'm all for people wanting a change from Ole, but there is a loud and quite often stupid minority coming onto the forum to complain about things they don't understand.
It's nice to know that people are still willing to back a man that is trying to bring the club back to its core values and most importantly fix a squad that has been mistreated by the same kind of short term trigger happy thinking that you can often see on here.
 

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Are you not bored of yourself by this point? slagging off Ole is literally all you do on this forum.
I think those people who called United boring these days have never been through LVG's era. That one was fecking awful. Legit boring.
 

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I can’t blame ole. There’s no excuse for only getting him 3 players, 1 of whom was a young lad not expected to go straight in the team. It’s criminal not to upgrade the midfield.
He’s working with his hands tied behind his back
 

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You don't know is what you're saying. You don't know who these coaches/analysts are, and what they're supposed to do.
What I do know is their cv which is nearly as impressive as our manager's and Carrick's/Mckenna's is. Some of these guys probably worked with Phelan in Australia (great football nation) most of the rest were part of the coaching staff of either Ole's or Keane's incredible run as managers in the EPL. Considering that they joined the likes of Ole (he was never successful as EPL permanent manager), Mckenna & Carrick (Mou's assistants in his last disastrous year) then that doesn't really fill me with confidence. They seem quite a specialised team in losing.

Let the results do the talking. Oh wait
 

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Well he’s lying to himself then. Our worst start in 30 years..30 years. The football is boring to watch with no identity.

You guys are fooling yourselves.

Let me repeat. 30 years.

And again. 30 years.

How’s that NOT underachieving??
Look who's buying into the paper headlines....
 

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I can’t blame ole. There’s no excuse for only getting him 3 players, 1 of whom was a young lad not expected to go straight in the team. It’s criminal not to upgrade the midfield.
He’s working with his hands tied behind his back
He is. But there is also no excuse for not coaching current players into the semblance of an attack. These are not mutually exclusive problems - the club needs change in both upper and team management.
 

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I can’t blame ole. There’s no excuse for only getting him 3 players, 1 of whom was a young lad not expected to go straight in the team. It’s criminal not to upgrade the midfield.
He’s working with his hands tied behind his back
I second this.
 

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What I do know is their cv which is nearly as impressive as our manager's and Carrick's/Mckenna's is. Some of these guys probably worked with Phelan in Australia (great football nation) most of the rest were part of the coaching staff of either Ole's or Keane's incredible run as managers in the EPL. Considering that they joined the likes of Ole (he was never successful as EPL permanent manager), Mckenna & Carrick (Mou's assistants in his last disastrous year) then that doesn't really fill me with confidence. They seem quite a specialised team in losing.

Let the results do the talking. Oh wait
You can't have a huge tantrum and then say let the results do the talking, mate. :lol:
 
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