I was watching Chelsea today, and William. Could never understand the revulsion about the idea of bringing him in. He's certainly miles better than what we have at the moment, would slot right into the team, and would have brought some stability.
You can't win with this lot. They want it both ways. During Mourinhos tenure, it was only HIM that was responsible for our downfall - not the board, not the players. One year later, same predicament but all of sudden those amazing players are shite and its all Eds fault.
On your first point: I'm going to dispel this falsity about being backed by Woodward with centrebacks. Its well known that Mourinho prefers skilled players who have done most of their development by the time he gets to work with them. So why on earth would he be satisfied with 2 young and PL unproven CBs in Bailly and Lindelof, who cost only £30 each or a yoof in Dalot and an error strewn Shaw (in a market context when full backs cost £50m and CBs £70m.) You're telling me those were his desired picks. No way: its pretty obvious he was forced to compromise because the club was penny pinching.
And Perisic is bossing it for Munich in Champions League!
You're entitled to your opinion, even though its been debunked many many times in real life.
Yes, poor Mourinho -- chronically unable to compete due to his issues.
the cult around Rashford ole perreira Pogba and martial are much worse
Well I never liked Mourinho but he was the only one who was able to beat Guardiola’s Barcelona so we can’t say if he gets what’s he wants he wouldn’t beat the other coaches, for me he plays a defensive game which I don’t like but to be fair with Ole we are terrible, the worst I ever saw and Im not sure but if they supported him and let his way Pogba would be sold, I still believe he’s the cancer of this team besides the owners and wood
The cult around yoof is the worst!
True, but these Sam Allardyce/Tony Pulis style managers have a 3 year shelf life at clubs. No matter how well they are doing, fans get fed up and demand change. Jose is obviously a step up from them but similar in that they are all defensive park the bus coaches. Jose had Martial and Rashford drilled to play as wingbacks who tracked back all game, as opposed to trying to express themselves as Ole is trying/failing to do.
I have not seen so many cliches said by one person since Ole’s last press conference.
I remember him bringing us 2nd place against a vastly more resourced Manchester City. And winning some cups which improved our mood.
Mourinho was in charge when those players were purchased and they wouldn’t have been brought in unless he wanted them. I don’t need factual evidence for that. I’m not getting into tin-hat territory.
We backed him with Bailey,Lindelof Matic,Sanchez & Lukaku His choices and big money for each. Let’s not act like he didn’t have any funds. The club were hesitant to spend huge amounts for Persic & Willian. They were also hesistant to spend huge on a 3rd CB in 3 years. A big mistake from the board that summer but his poor transfer choices created the doubt.
Just as I thought: long on self opinion and no facts. Coolio.
That's just crazy talk right here. One thing is sure with the Glazers, they do not care a lot about what fans think one way or the other. You're giving fans way too credit/responsability
But right, of course.
Fact is that we were 11 points off fourth when he was fired. Another fact is that he spent as much as Klopp at Liverpool to take us to mid-table.
Regarding Lindelof and Bailey, if they turned out to be huge successes no doubt you’d be giving Jose the credit. £30m in those years was substantial amounts for Centre Backs. VVD moved later. Let’s remember Kante moved the same summer for 30m.
That’s wonderful. I’m still right, just as I was back then. Just as @Siorac is within his/her own discussion with you.
Of course he would deserve credit: because he'd have taken underdeveloped players and turned them into world class centrebacks. Also, Pep was signing full backs like he was collecting panini football stickers, at £50m a pop, at this time. Happy for you to advise me what the going rate would then be for a similar class centre back.
again, simply your opinion. sadly no facts either. Again coolio to you D.U.D.E
Well we'll agree to disagree then, as I'd take a painful 3 year rebuild from a Pochettino (even willing to give Ole 1 more window), with plenty of bumps along the way as young players find their way,......
And don't forget that he was holding our players back from expressing themselves! How great the players could be, but were unable due to mean old Mourinho, people said.
- never challenging for the title
Why?
The ones who helped us to win two trophies and got us the second place in the PL and an FA cup final, and made us a semi respected club again after the Moyes thing.
Given what he inherited, that was completely unreasonable within 2 seasons. If he'd been backed as he requested, I think he would have in his 3rd year.
He came 2nd. As far as I'm aware and as Liverpool found out last year, there is no recognition, status or merit if that's closer in points to first or 5th, except if you have an agenda like you.
£400m is a meaningless number, it's called transfer fee inflation and is relative to how much money is in the game in general and how much money a club has. It's what players cost in this market. It's no less than SAF would have spent over those 3 summers. It's also less than what City spent over similar period.
Signings which helped him deliver 2nd, the best we've ever done since SAF left; can't be that poor, except if you have an agenda like you.
That's purely your subjective opinion. And you don't lose points or trophies for such either, so it's irrelevant.
I didn't expect that much better, given we haven't won since 2008 and didn't have the residual equity, experience or quality (what Mourinho meant as 'legacy' in his seville rant). It was not something to measure a manager against, given our state.
He made an unfortunate choice in language. As explained above. His general observation was correct.
He went rogue because he was surround by idiots and weasels, covered above.
No, that is the exact point. He was never the right personality to manage Mourinho.
It is quite hilarious that @JPRouve is sitting glum thinking the financial fair play committee is any sort of prestige that absolves Woodward. Much like Ed and his time at United, those councils are a farce. Elected by other business folks versus footballing community or appointed or whatever, they're both piss poor examples of being a likeable chief executive.I found this exchange hilarious
