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If the Senate won’t convict, what’s another Article of Impeachment?That's the first count of obstruction of congress which in isolation can be considered grounds for impeachment.
If the Senate won’t convict, what’s another Article of Impeachment?That's the first count of obstruction of congress which in isolation can be considered grounds for impeachment.
Basically this.That's the first count of obstruction of congress which in isolation can be considered grounds for impeachment.
I touched on this a few pages back. I think it's the Trump/McConnell tactic.If the Senate won’t convict, what’s another Article of Impeachment?
I think this will hold until the moment polls shift the other way, when McConnell will switch his views instantly. The man is cynicism incarnate.I touched on this a few pages back. I think it's the Trump/McConnell tactic.
1. Trump blocks every request for evidence and for staff depositions.
2. Democrats build impeachment case on Obstruction of Congress (they will probably have 100's if not 1000's of these by the end of the impeachment process).
3. Trump is impeached along party lines and the case is moved to the senate for trial.
4.1. Senate trial is opened by McConnell by introducing a vote on whether Trump admin has the right to block congressional subpoenas.
4.2. Senate votes along party lines that he has right to do so.
5.1 McConnell then introduces a follow up vote on whether said articles of impeachment are admissible as evidence.
5.2 Senate then votes along party lines that if Trump Admin had right to block subpoenas then they should not be discussed as part of the trial.
6. Democrats are left fighting a case with 99% of their argument just dismissed as inadmissible.
7. Republican's use the trial to gleefully mock the absolute nonexistent case for impeachment the Democrats just brought to the Senate and argue it politically motivated.
8. Media completely fails to report the full story and Republican underhand tactics and give Trump a huge bump in the polls.
9. Trump gets reelected.
I don't think they re that dense. He clearly did the same related to the Mueller hearings. Though in those cases several did appear with instructions to make Dems look weak. In this case they re too afraid to even do that - which in a way I take as a positive.Trump is going to carry on telling witnesses not to appear until the Dems find a way to force them to appear. He has no reason not to, nothing is done about it so what’s the risk to him in stopping them. Shame Dems couldn’t see this happening when the rest of us could.
1) Volker has already resigned, testified, and turned over documents. I would expect Marie Yovanovitch, who has even more of an axe to grind with Trump & Giuliani, to do similar.I touched on this a few pages back. I think it's the Trump/McConnell tactic.
1. Trump blocks every request for evidence and for staff depositions.
2. Democrats build impeachment case on Obstruction of Congress (they will probably have 100's if not 1000's of these by the end of the impeachment process).
3. Trump is impeached along party lines and the case is moved to the senate for trial.
4.1. Senate trial is opened by McConnell by introducing a vote on whether Trump admin has the right to block congressional subpoenas.
4.2. Senate votes along party lines that he has right to do so.
5.1 McConnell then introduces a follow up vote on whether said articles of impeachment are admissible as evidence.
5.2 Senate then votes along party lines that if Trump Admin had right to block subpoenas then they should not be discussed as part of the trial.
6. Democrats are left fighting a case with 99% of their argument just dismissed as inadmissible.
7. Republican's use the trial to gleefully mock the absolute nonexistent case for impeachment the Democrats just brought to the Senate and argue it politically motivated.
8. Media completely fails to report the full story and Republican underhand tactics and give Trump a huge bump in the polls.
9. Trump gets reelected.
Because they wrote the rules hundreds of years ago in a time when honourable behaviour supposedly mattered (as long as it wasn’t towards black people, women, foreigners etc). It’s complete shite and was pretty much complete shite back then too.Soooo, why exactly is this stuff tried along partizan channels? This is about as fair as the medieval inquisition. Such a weird country.
He has employed his son in law as the broker of peace in the Middle East. He can’t really point at the Bidens for any shit like this.
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If Trump is criticizing someone for something there's a ~99% chance he's guilty of something similar but worse.He has employed his son in law as the broker of peace in the Middle East. He can’t really point at the Bidens for any shit like this.
Trump and the GOP will be hell bent on exposing him and hell bent on trying to discredit and intimidate him. Mainly to punish him and prevent others from stepping forward. Good move by the Dems because that’s the only way that I would be prepared to testify in front of anyone remotely connected to the GOP.Tweet
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That bit worries me with the Corp Dems track record.President Donald Trump’s lawyers are expected to release a letter to Congress that tells them that the president and the White House will not cooperate with their impeachment inquiry.
According to CNN,
The lawyers say in the letter that the House proceedings amount to an illegitimate investigation that is trying to overturn the 2016 election.
“The lengthy letter all but dares House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to hold a formal vote opening an impeachment inquiry into Trump, a step she has so far resisted. The letter claims Trump’s due process rights have been circumvented without a vote and that Trump has no choice but to not cooperate,” said CNN.
The letter also says that the White House will continue to refuse any subpoenas or requests for information.
Impeachment inquiries open up access to this information under the law, but Trump is playing chicken with Democrats, who have yet to imprison anyone for not complying with a subpoena.
It’s unclear how far Democrats are willing to go to enforce the laws.
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Trump train!!! (must be said loudly in a redneck voice)Tweet
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‘I love the poorly educated’.
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I guess we ve now fully reached the point where Trias Politica will have to show that it works or come to conclusion it completely collapsed and the executive branch just do what it pleases, while it takes charge of another (judicial) and ignores the power of the people (congress).Tweet
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The SC gets mentioned rather often here in regards to this topic, but it's highly unlikely it will play any functional role.Time to know where the Supreme Court stands.
Unfortunately many will lap it up. It's not his duty or obligation or whatever, and he should be called out on it. It is the duty of dept. of justice, law enforcement and intelligence.
Former U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., is joining President Trump’s legal team as outside counsel for the House's expanding impeachment inquiry, according to a report.Tweet
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At least we know he fits the mold in Trump's cast that is able to perform overly dramatic characters.Former U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., is joining President Trump’s legal team as outside counsel for the House's expanding impeachment inquiry, according to a report.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trey-gowdy-to-join-trumps-legal-team-as-impeachment-inquiry-expands