If the Senate won’t convict, what’s another Article of Impeachment?
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Basically this.
At this rate we've just about reached developing countries levels of corruption.
I touched on this a few pages back. I think it's the Trump/McConnell tactic.
1. Trump blocks every request for evidence and for staff depositions.
2. Democrats build impeachment case on Obstruction of Congress (they will probably have 100's if not 1000's of these by the end of the impeachment process).
3. Trump is impeached along party lines and the case is moved to the senate for trial.
4.1. Senate trial is opened by McConnell by introducing a vote on whether Trump admin has the right to block congressional subpoenas.
4.2. Senate votes along party lines that he has right to do so.
5.1 McConnell then introduces a follow up vote on whether said articles of impeachment are admissible as evidence.
5.2 Senate then votes along party lines that if Trump Admin had right to block subpoenas then they should not be discussed as part of the trial.
6. Democrats are left fighting a case with 99% of their argument just dismissed as inadmissible.
7. Republican's use the trial to gleefully mock the absolute nonexistent case for impeachment the Democrats just brought to the Senate and argue it politically motivated.
8. Media completely fails to report the full story and Republican underhand tactics and give Trump a huge bump in the polls.
9. Trump gets reelected.
I think this will hold until the moment polls shift the other way, when McConnell will switch his views instantly. The man is cynicism incarnate.
Trump is going to carry on telling witnesses not to appear until the Dems find a way to force them to appear. He has no reason not to, nothing is done about it so what’s the risk to him in stopping them. Shame Dems couldn’t see this happening when the rest of us could.
I don't think they re that dense. He clearly did the same related to the Mueller hearings. Though in those cases several did appear with instructions to make Dems look weak. In this case they re too afraid to even do that - which in a way I take as a positive.
So what happens if they get to actual impeachment hearings. Can witnesses just refuse to answer questions?
1) Volker has already resigned, testified, and turned over documents. I would expect Marie Yovanovitch, who has even more of an axe to grind with Trump & Giuliani, to do similar.
Trump will certainly try everything he can do obstruct but he is in no way guaranteed to be successful. This is especially true the further away from his inner circle you get and the more the story grows. He may be protected as POTUS but many others know they're the vulnerable ones and they'll do what they need to to protect themselves.
2) There's already ample evidence out that shows this certainly isn't a "nonexistent case". GOP Congress may end up successfully arguing that POTUS can do whatever he wants but that's really their only angle here.
Soooo, why exactly is this stuff tried along partizan channels? This is about as fair as the medieval inquisition. Such a weird country.
Because they wrote the rules hundreds of years ago in a time when honourable behaviour supposedly mattered (as long as it wasn’t towards black people, women, foreigners etc). It’s complete shite and was pretty much complete shite back then too.
People reference Nixon and keep repeating bullshit about how ‘there were still honorable Republicans back then’, but it’s not really true. Even with Nixon the Repubs didn’t turn on him until it was clear he was completely fecked and they didn’t want to be dragged down with him.
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Hopefully this has come directly from Volker who is going to share or has shared the messages with Schiff already.
I don’t know why that’s “breaking”. Volker has shared his messages, I read them a day or two ago,
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_c...etter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf
https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/_c...etter-on-state-departmnent-texts-10-03-19.pdf
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He has employed his son in law as the broker of peace in the Middle East. He can’t really point at the Bidens for any shit like this.
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If Trump is criticizing someone for something there's a ~99% chance he's guilty of something similar but worse.
I would have thought Rudy would want to keep the public in the dark.
Trump and the GOP will be hell bent on exposing him and hell bent on trying to discredit and intimidate him. Mainly to punish him and prevent others from stepping forward. Good move by the Dems because that’s the only way that I would be prepared to testify in front of anyone remotely connected to the GOP.
They might as well have 'swag' written on their briefcases.
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Trump lawyers send letter to Congress saying they ‘won’t cooperate’ in ‘illegitimate’ impeachment inquiry
That bit worries me with the Corp Dems track record.
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‘I love the poorly educated’.
Trump train!!! (must be said loudly in a redneck voice)
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I just dont know anymore. That's basically a letter saying we dont agree with the constitution, so we're not going to follow it.
How do you counter that?
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"flouted the Constitution"This White House clearly thinks his supporters have IQs below 70, and unfortunately, most of the evidence in the past few years suggests they are correct.
Just imagine if he somehow snatches defeat from the jaws of victory here. I personally will be throwing a party.
I guess we ve now fully reached the point where Trias Politica will have to show that it works or come to conclusion it completely collapsed and the executive branch just do what it pleases, while it takes charge of another (judicial) and ignores the power of the people (congress).
I don't know how anyone can still say this isn't authoritarian behavior. This should scare every citizen/resident to the core.
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Ted saying the quiet bit out loud.
Time to know where the Supreme Court stands.
The SC gets mentioned rather often here in regards to this topic, but it's highly unlikely it will play any functional role.
Unfortunately many will lap it up. It's not his duty or obligation or whatever, and he should be called out on it. It is the duty of dept. of justice, law enforcement and intelligence.
His obligation, actually, is to see to it that these agencies are run without bias and undue influence. He has normalized partisanship, crooked behavior and score settling to the point where his outrageous, nonsense claims seem to make sense.
Can we call him King Trump yet, or is that too accurate to be a joke?
Governments both side of the Atlantic trying to circumvent the law and avoid their incompetence and law breaking being held to account. What a world we live in.
Former U.S. Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., is joining President Trump’s legal team as outside counsel for the House's expanding impeachment inquiry, according to a report.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trey-gowdy-to-join-trumps-legal-team-as-impeachment-inquiry-expands
At least we know he fits the mold in Trump's cast that is able to perform overly dramatic characters.
Mr Benghazi.
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