I'm surprised that the opinion of Kane being miles better than Aboomarang (stole that off @Rado_N ) is that surprising to some! Aboomarang is good, but Kane's brilliant.
Harry Kane MBE | Performances
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I think it's a mix of this, and the injuries/motivational issues. Spurs are and have been in inertia for a little while, and Kane has been in and out of football with constant niggling injuries. He just looks like he's lacking that killer instinct and sharpness his game had 18-24 months ago. The lack of a cohesive Spurs unit is only exemplifying this.
I noticed ever since the World Cup, he's been playing in this strange, almost supplementary 9.5 position. I don't know if that's a personal want for him to become more involved in build-up, or if it's a tactical thing from the manager. Whilst he does have good technical ability for a striker, Harry Kane is blatantly at his best as close to the opposition goal as possible, taking as many shots as possible. Having the best finisher in the league taking fewer shots and fewer touches in the box isn't going to work well.
I am a big Kane fan, and do believe he's a fair bit better than Abludclartyang at his very best. Not sure he's shown his best in a while, though. And in the last 12 months, Auba has definitely better the better striker.
He’s regularly looked better for England, and presses more for the NT too. But even for Spurs he’s carrying us going forward this season .. he’s just one of many players who look like they’ve lost that passion and drive they used to have for the club.
But yeah, Auba has been better the last 12 months, but nobody in our team has stood out consistently in that period tbh. Flashes here and there from players but not consistently what we know they’re capable of.
A bad year and he still scores loads. He's had injuries too. And playing in this current Spurs side isn't doing him any favours. Imagine him at Man City, it would be brutal.
Would it? Doesn't seem like the kind of forward that would suit the Pep machine, too tall to sit in the front seat.
Lewandowski led the line superbly for a Pep team.
Kane is fantastic technically and can absolutely play a very quick passing game. Would be a bit different but definitely something Pep could cater to, IMO.
The amount of chances they'd create for him to put away would be mental.
Not a coincidence that Spurs and Alli turn to shit when Harry decided he was Rooney lite and started dropping deep trying to be a playmaker.
Add Eriksen to that as well. He steps on a lot of toes.
Add Eriksen to that as well. He steps on a lot of toes.
Could also say it's no coincidence that Harry has to drop back to get the ball when the midfield turns to crap.
Was the same at the WC
But it didn't turn to crap until he started to drop deep. England were playing well in the WC and Kane was still taking the ball off Maguire at times so it's not to make up for deficiencies, it's just what he does these days.
When Kane drops deep, who runs beyond that stops the defenders stepping up into midfield? Maybe Son but he's benched because of Kane as well
Moura or Son.
Son isn't benched "because of Kane" - not sure where that has come from.
He was suspended at the start of the season
Kane is better than Auba. Not some miles better but he’s an overall more balanced striker.
Kane’s hold up and link up are better and it’s easy to see.
I do love both strikers but if given a choice I would rather have Harry Kane in my side.
Auba is quicker and has better natural instincts in the penalty area. He creates more as well. You can put him on the wing and he does a job. Kane on the wing would look awful. Kane is also one of the most selfish strikers who is number obsessed. He takes a shot everytime no matter the angle or if team mates is in better position
Have you ever watched Kane play or are you simply basing this on one occasion Kane stole a goal from Eriksen?
Very good player. But like any English player he is overrated.
Being better on the wings has no relevance since they are strikers. Rooney right now can play better central midfielder than both, but isn’t a better overall striker.
Kane is quite easily better at making goals for his team by holding the ball better and has a great passing ability.
As a striker it’s his job to score and he does from all angles. No one in Spurs would complain about his selfishness because that’s his job and he does it well.
Do you think Poch is trying to change the team's reliance on Kane? i mean last season he was injured a lot and lucas and son stepped in to fill his shoes.
His penalty taking skills are 2nd to none (has he ever missed one?), but how many goals does he get from open play these days?
What's his ratio of open play to penalty goals?
What's his ratio of open play to penalty goals?
7 of his 14 goals this season (club & country) have been penalties.
Before that, it's something like 178 senior goals with 25 of them penalties
It was always his goal scoring ability which made him stand out, which those stats back up. More recently, he seems to be scoring as many penalties as goals, also backed up by those stats.
Missed one in the last international break
His decline has started...
I don’t think so. Lucas doesn’t even get games.
We seem to set up with Kane in a more selfless role to feed Son .. which imo is weird, but Kane is very good deeper. I think he’s been a victim of developing the rest of his game so well that he feels like he always wants to be involved.
Should always be the furthest man forward, with a constant amount of service.
7 goals by mid October isn't low by his standard - until recently (last season?), he hadn't scored in August in the league.
The only real thing we can say is that he's taking more penalties than usual - with his high conversion rate resulting in goals.
Spurs have been awful when I have watched them play. Surprising Kane has 5 goals with how woeful they are. It's so bad they are almost as bad as us.
Yes, it's been that way for quite some time. The problem generally seems to be the insistence of using Eriksen as the middle man, which is hopeless when he's uninterested. The obsession with the 'diamond' formation means that it also exposes the entire back line.
It's one of the reasons why comparing him to players in in-form teams right now is redundant. He's done well with what he's had available.
Hopefully, with him now being captain, we'll see some changes in attitude from others.
His all round game is the best it’s ever been.. maybe he’s not scoring as many goals but he looks all round like a real elite player.
Tonight's a perfect example of everything I've been saying about Kane recently. The only difference between this game and most games is that his hard work and skill have led to a hat trick of excellent assists, which even idiots can understand is a good innings without needing to study Kane's play or know anything about football.
Indeed. People will focus entirely on stuff like Auba scoring a few more goals without looking at how good Kane is as an all round player.
He’s thriving for England too because, as much as I hate to admit it, they’re a happier and more competent team than Spurs are right now.
He linked up well with the RB too - maybe we should look at bringing him in in January
I suppose it's got nothing to do with the fact England's opposition is basically Championship level.
It's the same when we play better teams .. he was world class vs a team like Spain playing that deeper role.
A player can't just become something he's not regardless of opposition. He was the best player on the pitch in both the last 2 games in a deeper role, orchestrating everything.
matches that matter
world cup 20 18
kane v tunisa 2 goals
kane v panama 3 goals ( 2 pens)
kane v belgium nil
kane v columbia 1 goal penalty
kane v sweden nil
kane v croatia nil
It's either a penalty or against championship standard teams
When he is really needed, he is nowhere to be found.
It is all opinion,and I suppose if he ever gets a move to a proper big club, I could be proved wrong.
world cup 20 18
kane v tunisa 2 goals
kane v panama 3 goals ( 2 pens)
kane v belgium nil
kane v columbia 1 goal penalty
kane v sweden nil
kane v croatia nil
It's either a penalty or against championship standard teams
When he is really needed, he is nowhere to be found.
It is all opinion,and I suppose if he ever gets a move to a proper big club, I could be proved wrong.
(Parts in bold sound especially like a WUM to me)
So your entire sample of "matches that matter" come from one tournament? In science, this would be considered to have almost no statistical power for making valid inferences. Temporally, that one tournament is equivalent to just four matches in the PL. Even elite players always have a month or four matches worth of sub-prime form in them now and again. And Kane's form going into the tournament was widely regarded as not his best. Still walked away with the Golden Boot.
The fact that you're cherry-picking so hard makes me think this is a wind-up (in which case, fair play). For one thing, you're ignoring his record-breaking stats in the CL against the top clubs in Europe. He's still in the all-time top 3 for CL GPG with 16 in 21: the only one to post numbers like that while playing outside of a European powerhouse. And you're falling into the trap I've been complaining about for the longest time of only looking at goals. Goals are just a fraction of his overall game, which is exactly why we're currently praising his deadly playmaking against opponents both small (Bulgaria) and big (Spain). He's even done the same for Spurs against Utd before.
In fact, why am I having this conversation? If you're trolling, I'm wasting my time. If you're not trolling, your contributions to a Harry Kane discussion are sketchy to say the least. Congrats, you reeled me in.
Edit: A humorous observation just occurred to me: your standards for Kane, if applied evenly, would render Rooney one of the worst England players of all time.
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No one is better than Lewa though...
list of Rooney achievements
Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
FA Cup: 2015–16[387]
Football League/EFL Cup: 2005–06,[72] 2009–10,[388] 2016–17
FA Community Shield: 2007,[390] 2010,[391] 2011,[392] 2016
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
UEFA Europa League: 2016–17
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
No comparision is necessary.
Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
FA Cup: 2015–16[387]
Football League/EFL Cup: 2005–06,[72] 2009–10,[388] 2016–17
FA Community Shield: 2007,[390] 2010,[391] 2011,[392] 2016
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
UEFA Europa League: 2016–17
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
No comparision is necessary.
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You've got that right, comparing what they've won as a *team* is completely unnecessary and meaningless. Rooney played for United under Fergie during a fantastic era .. shock horror, he won a lot of trophies. Had Kane played in the same teams he would also have won a lot of trophies. The x player has won more than y player argument therefore is better is the worst thing in football.
The only somewhat fair element to compare between them both is their performances for England, although they played in very different England teams. In that respect surprisingly Rooney wasn't able to carry a team to trophies, just like he wasn't carrying United to trophies, but merely being a part of a very good team.
You do realise football is a team game right? Rooney was in a team that won all that - HE didn't win any of it himself. You need to change that to 'list of achievements of the teams that Rooney happened to play in'
Judging players in that way is utter bollocks.
What an odd post.