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That would be when it's not ironic... And actultually anti-Semitic... You know like the labour party... (Cough allegedly)... Roll on ehrcAt what point does your ironic anti semitic posts just become plan anti semitism ?
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That would be when it's not ironic... And actultually anti-Semitic... You know like the labour party... (Cough allegedly)... Roll on ehrcAt what point does your ironic anti semitic posts just become plan anti semitism ?
Its quite amusing how the Tories suddenly all love the Jews.I'm not the one forcing Jewish MPs and Jewish Labour members to leave the party
I agree.At this moment, what matters is killing no deal.
Even with Lib Dem support Corbyn still can't get a majority.I agree.
So Swinson needs to support Corbyn who is the leader of the biggest Opposition party.
Their action will simply say they care more about getting Corbyn out than preventing Brexit.Even with Lib Dem support Corbyn still can't get a majority.
Will come down to the Tory rebels who lost the whip, and they've explicitly stated they will not put Corbyn into No. 10.
Corbyn will get first crack (if he wants it knowing that getting less votes than Johnson might look very bad) then a compromise candidate... I'd guess Clarke ?Even with Lib Dem support Corbyn still can't get a majority.
Will come down to the Tory rebels who lost the whip, and they've explicitly stated they will not put Corbyn into No. 10.
That would be true but as far as standing on your principles go risking getting kicked out of your own party seems pretty sincere.Their action will simply say they care more about getting Corbyn out than preventing Brexit.
I highly doubt their sincerity.
If those who oppose a no deal Brexit do not put aside their differences and stand together, we will get the result Johnson wants.That would be true but as far as standing on your principles go risking getting kicked out of your own party seems pretty sincere.
I listened to Corbyn's speech at the TUC and Labour Conference.We will have to wait for their manifesto. I didn't really follow their conference so I don't know if they announced any major policies (other than Revoking A50 if they get a majority)
Neither am I but I don't doubt that the homeless Tories sincerely don't want to leave Europe. It's just I'm equally convinced they sincerely loathe and mistrust Corbyn - perhaps even more.If those who oppose a no deal Brexit do not put aside their differences and stand together, we will get the result Johnson wants.
How does that help the country.
There should not be any pre-conditions and political gamesmanship.
I'm not holding my breath.
The hard Brexiters are anti immigrants first and foremost.Neither am I but I don't doubt that the homeless Tories sincerely don't want to leave Europe. It's just I'm equally convinced they sincerely loathe and mistrust Corbyn - perhaps even more.
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You won't hear any disagreement from me, but that's saying very little. The ex-tories think he's going to destroy the nation via smash and grabs on private property, self-defeating methods of taxation and create new cavernous black holes in public finance via renationalisation. Giving him the legitimacy of becoming the PM of a government of national unity gives him a level of credibility that makes such a 'disaster' more likely in their eyes.The hard Brexiters are anti immigrants first and foremost.
If they bothered to listen to Corbyn, all he is for is policies that help working class families.
I'm not disagreeing with you either.You won't hear any disagreement from me, but that's saying very little. The ex-tories think he's going to destroy the nation via smash and grabs on private property, self-defeating methods of taxation and create new cavernous black holes in public finance via renationalisation. Giving him the legitimacy of becoming the PM of a government of national unity gives him a level of credibility that makes such a 'disaster' more likely in their eyes.
I posted it because it was an interesting allegation, was via someone on twitter - Daniel Finkelstein - I respect and who is pretty rational, and talked to the trustworthiness of labours desire to find consensus in Brexit, which is coming sharply into view again. So given that, I would like to know whether it is true. But you go ahead and talk nonsense about echo chambers (even though you are the one dismissing it on the basis of who said it rather than what was said).I'd say 'hmm, despite the questionable original source there does seem to be something here'. You'd see I have done that before in the various Corbyn threads over the years.
But my contention here is that you aren't interested in this because it challenges your view or breaks you out of an echo chamber, but because it perfectly encapsulates what you want to be true of Corbyn and Labour over Brexit (i.e that they're incompetent) to the point you're posting sources (or a chain of sources) you'd dismiss out of hand in other circumstances.
Eugh, fine. Yes, you're right, you shouldn't question any sources, nor think about what biases the people telling you information might hold, and suggesting that people apply absolutely basic critical thinking skills to what they read – let alone what they read from a former Tory comms head writing about the Labour leader in the Daily Mail – is obviously nonsense.I posted it because it was an interesting allegation, was via someone on twitter - Daniel Finkelstein - I respect and who is pretty rational, and talked to the trustworthiness of labours desire to find consensus in Brexit, which is coming sharply into view again. So given that, I would like to know whether it is true. But you go ahead and talk nonsense about echo chambers (even though you are the one dismissing it on the basis of who said it rather than what was said).
So just to be clear, you think that it is more likely that Labour was wrecking the discussions than that the government came forward with proposals that were genuinely totally inadequate?I posted it because it was an interesting allegation, was via someone on twitter - Daniel Finkelstein - I respect and who is pretty rational, and talked to the trustworthiness of labours desire to find consensus in Brexit, which is coming sharply into view again. So given that, I would like to know whether it is true. But you go ahead and talk nonsense about echo chambers (even though you are the one dismissing it on the basis of who said it rather than what was said).
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...fears-loss-of-100-seats-in-election-0psf2q9w6The Sunday Times understands that internal union polling shows that the party is on course to lose more than 100 seats. The poll also suggests that up to a third of those who voted Labour at the last election could desert the party and support the Liberal Democrats. A further 10% are expected to switch to the Brexit Party, according to the data.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leaderhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...fears-loss-of-100-seats-in-election-0psf2q9w6
Pidcock and Long Bailey the favourites to replace him apparently. Christ knows when Labour will next be an electoral force.
Very true.I'm not disagreeing with you either.
That's the Mantra they have been selling...and people have been buying.
By the time they wake up it will be too late.
My point has always been that if you are going to oppose, you have to be For something.
This is where Lib/Dems fail.
But you have to hand it to the Tories.
Brilliant con men.
Damn, from the famously neutral Sunday Times toohttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...fears-loss-of-100-seats-in-election-0psf2q9w6
Pidcock and Long Bailey the favourites to replace him apparently. Christ knows when Labour will next be an electoral force.
Well yes all polls should be taken with a pinch of salt. Whether they lose 100, 50 or 10 seats, or even gain a few, they are not going to win a majority any time soon, which should be the aim, no?
So which of these stand 100% behind the policies Corbyn spoke of at the Conference?https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-labour-leader
Starmer..........5/1
Long bailey....13/2
Thornberry....10/1
Raynor............11/1
Piddock........ 18/1
preventing no deal doesn't require Corbyn, it can be done by anybody who can legitimately get the support of the house. Labour, and in particular Corbyn, lose nothing by supporting a respected backbencher from their own party, in fact they look great as they are compromising in the national interest.Their action will simply say they care more about getting Corbyn out than preventing Brexit.
I highly doubt their sincerity.
This has been discussed above.preventing no deal doesn't require Corbyn, it can be done by anybody who can legitimately get the support of the house. Labour, and in particular Corbyn, lose nothing by supporting a respected backbencher from their own party, in fact they look great as they are compromising in the national interest.
Piddock has her nose up corbyns arse so I'd say she's behind him... But probably not standingSo which of these stand 100% behind the policies Corbyn spoke of at the Conference?
The media always likes these popularity contests.Piddock has her nose up corbyns arse so I'd say she's behind him... But probably not standing
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Not sure I'd exactly describe that as a comprehensive report exactly, but assuming its true it does highlight how reselection can be an own goal for Labour, from a publicity perspective.
They scheduled the antesemitism debates at conference on Saturday meaning people couldn't attend as well.https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...sh-labour-mp-louise-ellman-face-move-oust-her
Motion of confidence against a Jewish MP to be debated on the evening of the most important Jewish holiday, meaning she can't even attend
Well done Labour.
You know that has nothing to do with the actual party right? It's a local motionhttps://www.politicshome.com/news/u...sh-labour-mp-louise-ellman-face-move-oust-her
Motion of confidence against a Jewish MP to be debated on the evening of the most important Jewish holiday, meaning she can't even attend
Well done Labour.
What an idiotic post. Have a word with yourself. The idea that Corbyn is to blame for right-wing anti-Semitic conspiracies is shameful and it completely belittles the problem of anti-Semitism that you're pretending to be so concerned about. The idea that Corbyn has 'normalised antisemitism' also exposes the fact that you clearly have no understanding of the history of anti-Semitism on the continent and more specifically in the UK itself.Tweet
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This sort of comment would never have been possible before Corbyn normalised antisemitism.
Was that comment not facetious?What an idiotic post. Have a word with yourself. The idea that Corbyn is to blame for right-wing anti-Semitic conspiracies is shameful and it completely belittles the problem of anti-Semitism that you're pretending to be so concerned about. The idea that Corbyn has 'normalised antisemitism' also exposes the fact that you clearly have no understanding of the history of anti-Semitism on the continent and more specifically in the UK itself.
I *think* that was his point.What an idiotic post. Have a word with yourself. The idea that Corbyn is to blame for right-wing anti-Semitic conspiracies is shameful and it completely belittles the problem of anti-Semitism that you're pretending to be so concerned about. The idea that Corbyn has 'normalised antisemitism' also exposes the fact that you clearly have no understanding of the history of anti-Semitism on the continent and more specifically in the UK itself.
Was that comment not facetious?
Yeah thanks for pointing that out, having re-read it, I've realised that I have made a fool of myself. My apologies @Untied.I *think* that was his point.