I think Chelsea will beat us with a heavy scoreline and that will be the final nail in the coffin for Ole.
Will Ole last beyond his next 3 games?
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If we somehow beat Liverpool, it's not out of this world to expect us to beat Norwich and Bournemouth.. But is it realistic?
it also wouldn't be surprising to get something from the liverpool game and then lose the next two.If we somehow beat Liverpool, it's not out of this world to expect us to beat Norwich and Bournemouth.. But is it realistic?
also. Ole has told Gary N in a Sky interview that he "doesn't need reassurances..."
That's not going to happen. We will be kicking around the top 8 at worst.
Let's be honest any team will miss 4 first team players, once we get the bodies back and fit we will be OK. It's obviously been a horrendous start but we aren't THAT bad. We've gone toe to toe with Arsenal, Leicester, Chelsea and not looked out of place. The talent/desire is there, but we need to learn how to beat the bottom teams. That's where individual qualities are even more important IMO.
We don't have many match winners outside of Pogba or Martial which is an issue.
Yeah, if he lost "1-2 games". He's lost 3 and drawn 3 out of 8 league games.
I'm pretty sure he'll be here if we lose all 3.
Probably not but it would be awesome if it happened!If we somehow beat Liverpool, it's not out of this world to expect us to beat Norwich and Bournemouth.. But is it realistic?
I'm really pulling for Ole. He's one of the good guys and deserves a bit of slack.
I'm afraid he's in some sort of parallel dream world...
Depends how badly we get beat by Liverpool.
Youre likely right. So many teams in a similar position to us. I guess these next fixtures will be telling either way. We move closer to top 8 or stay around 11th or lower.
or Norwich.
I hope not.
I think we'll game raise and get a point from Liverpool, look like we're turning a corner for the 867th time. Then get slapped up by Pukki and co. Then Solskjaer will be given the boot.
I havn't seen anything wrong about the 3 we signed in the summer. My issue is who was sold and NOT replaced.
Herrera/ Fellaini and Lukaku/Sanchez. To lose these players without being replaced is the problem.
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Why January? I keep seeing people say if he can just hold on till then, assuming till when the window opens. How often do the best players move mid season? Unless a player falls out with his club any reinforcements we can get then are probably just going to be average squad players, something we are now trying to avoid apparently.
Because people love hope and wishful thinking. Regardless whether you can base it on something substantial.
Hope and wishful thinking are also the base of "Ole's revolution".
True fan here.
Whether you like the manager or not, wanting Liverpool to beat us at Old Trafford is absurd.
Its different if you think they will beat us but wanting to get beat?
We are fans, Liverpool are the biggest rivals, they could win the title. Why on earth would you want them to win?
Yes. I think the board will wait til Pogba and Martial are back to really assess things. We probably just need to be vaguely competitive in the Liverpool game (i.e. not a drubbing) and to get one win out of the other 2 which I think we'll get against Norwich or Bournemouth. I reckon the crunch for Ole will be just before the Christmas period. If we're still in the bottom half of the table, I can see Allegri being brought in before then in order to lead us through that time and the January transfer window (where I do expect us to sign Emre Can on loan and Mandzukic for a minimal fee).
3 or 4 points from those three league games probably keeps him in a job. That probably keeps us out of relegation zone and let’s everyone pretend we can still make top 4.
Club will just be keeping fingers crossed that players return from injury and we will go on a big winning run. Behind the scenes they’ve come up with this basic and flawed plan and are just hoping it miraculously all comes together. They’ll cling on to this until it’s another season in the bin because they won’t have any idea what else to do.
Club will just be keeping fingers crossed that players return from injury and we will go on a big winning run. Behind the scenes they’ve come up with this basic and flawed plan and are just hoping it miraculously all comes together. They’ll cling on to this until it’s another season in the bin because they won’t have any idea what else to do.
I think we’re waiting to see if Spurs sack Poch.
You thing we will get good results? Those 3 games look tricky to me. Would be surprised if we amassed more than 4 points there
No I don't, as I said I don't think we'll get good results.
It would just make us look even more stupid to sack him if we lose against Liverpool.
We've just had an international break which would have been an ideal time to sack him and find a replacement, and the chances of us not losing to Liverpool are pretty low.
Plus then you'll have the scousers gloating that they got another one of our managers sacked, it would be embarrassing.
We've just had an international break which would have been an ideal time to sack him and find a replacement, and the chances of us not losing to Liverpool are pretty low.
Plus then you'll have the scousers gloating that they got another one of our managers sacked, it would be embarrassing.
My bad. Not long left for Ole I think.
Ole will be here for the start of next season.
Sad times
Both Norwich and Bournemouth have a rather naive approach to their tactics that might be just what we need to grab a couple of scrappy wins (or 4 points from possible six). This may see us climb a few positions on the PL table and make Woodward hesitant to swing the axe. But he will be doing nothing more than delaying the inevitable. Solskjaer is a rigid coach who places a lot of value in the man-management side of the managerial job. He put a lot of stock into "the young & hungry lads who will run their socks off for the badge" without caring much about the fact that Pogba represents more than half of our creativity and that we were a Martial injury away from changing roles to all the "3" and the "1" in his preferred 4231. And now we have them both injured, we're struggling to create chances, we're two points off relegation and the whole squad looks befuddled, disillusioned and devoid of all confidence. Ain't reality a bitch?
We've been there before with Moyes: Everyone and their dog could tell you that he was clearly out of his depth by the end of November/early December of 2013. Especially when a good run of games that should have boosted our spirits ended abruptly with two draws away at Cardiff and Spurs (lucky not to lose at The Lane) and back to back home defeats at the hands of the mighty Everton and Newcastle. Yet, we managed to have a good December overall with wins against cannon fodder and this bought Moyes more time. To achieve what exactly, no one knows, besides Woodward. Perhaps the feeble hope of getting into top-four when it was more than obvious that the team was under coached, directionless and hoping that Januzaj would prove to be our lord and saviour.
We're in a similar position now but with even worse players. Solskjaer seems to be bereft of any good ideas tactically because he clearly didn't expect us to perform so badly. Furthermore, running players to the ground in the summer may lead to fatigue and muscle injuries which is why you should be careful when you decide to trim down the squad by leaving very few experienced players in it. Heavy rotation by including the academy players is good but it can be successful only when a reliable system is already set in place and the roles between the players can be distinguished. Otherwise, you're left with a few positive things to utter in the pressers and your good intentions. Words that at some point not even you believe while good intentions can't buy you more time when there's nothing tangible to show for. The only difference is that Solskjaer hasn't said anything like "we aspire to be like City" or that "even Fergie would struggle with this side" yet (although some top reds are doing this work for him).
In the end, his assessment of the squad's abilities failed miserably. Blame Woodward all you like, it is a fact right in front of your eyes. As if the "United way" alone would turn the youngsters and the local lads into game-changers and as if giving both Martial/Rashford new lucrative deals would suddenly make them senior players ready to carry the team on their shoulders. Now, he's resorted to more cautious tactics, he's desperately searching for experience and guidance on the pitch to the likes of Mata, Matic and Young and he's trying to convince the whole world that what we're watching on the pitch is "normal". Oh, and we're linked with 30+ footballers to save the day for us.
There's no rebuilding here, only a continuous fall from grace. It's sad that a club legend can't fix it but it's the reality of things. And not even two wins against extremely poor sides will probably change that. Keeping him until the end of the season (or more) can only help our fanbase achieve one thing: slowly and steadily accept mediocrity and finally embrace it. And to think that we used to laugh at Arsenal and their 4th place trophy.
We've been there before with Moyes: Everyone and their dog could tell you that he was clearly out of his depth by the end of November/early December of 2013. Especially when a good run of games that should have boosted our spirits ended abruptly with two draws away at Cardiff and Spurs (lucky not to lose at The Lane) and back to back home defeats at the hands of the mighty Everton and Newcastle. Yet, we managed to have a good December overall with wins against cannon fodder and this bought Moyes more time. To achieve what exactly, no one knows, besides Woodward. Perhaps the feeble hope of getting into top-four when it was more than obvious that the team was under coached, directionless and hoping that Januzaj would prove to be our lord and saviour.
We're in a similar position now but with even worse players. Solskjaer seems to be bereft of any good ideas tactically because he clearly didn't expect us to perform so badly. Furthermore, running players to the ground in the summer may lead to fatigue and muscle injuries which is why you should be careful when you decide to trim down the squad by leaving very few experienced players in it. Heavy rotation by including the academy players is good but it can be successful only when a reliable system is already set in place and the roles between the players can be distinguished. Otherwise, you're left with a few positive things to utter in the pressers and your good intentions. Words that at some point not even you believe while good intentions can't buy you more time when there's nothing tangible to show for. The only difference is that Solskjaer hasn't said anything like "we aspire to be like City" or that "even Fergie would struggle with this side" yet (although some top reds are doing this work for him).
In the end, his assessment of the squad's abilities failed miserably. Blame Woodward all you like, it is a fact right in front of your eyes. As if the "United way" alone would turn the youngsters and the local lads into game-changers and as if giving both Martial/Rashford new lucrative deals would suddenly make them senior players ready to carry the team on their shoulders. Now, he's resorted to more cautious tactics, he's desperately searching for experience and guidance on the pitch to the likes of Mata, Matic and Young and he's trying to convince the whole world that what we're watching on the pitch is "normal". Oh, and we're linked with 30+ footballers to save the day for us.
There's no rebuilding here, only a continuous fall from grace. It's sad that a club legend can't fix it but it's the reality of things. And not even two wins against extremely poor sides will probably change that. Keeping him until the end of the season (or more) can only help our fanbase achieve one thing: slowly and steadily accept mediocrity and finally embrace it. And to think that we used to laugh at Arsenal and their 4th place trophy.
I hope so, because the only way that happens is if we have such a turn around in performances and results, it makes sense to keep him.
No bloody chance.
I don't think we are aiming at the big fish anymore. It'll be either a young talent or an experienced player to help steady the ship. Either way players will be available, perhaps we will go into the loan market.
You say i'm being ridiculous and you seriously contemplate relegation? fix up you maniac no way will it get that bad.
I said ''fighting relegation'' which is entirely possible in our current form. If you don't think it's possible you haven't been paying attention.
That might just save our season, if we can get these 2 in. Then in the summer add the others.
It just isn't going to happen. I'd be shocked if we even finish below the top 8.
Imagine the scene
Ole: Hi my dearest friend Woody. What a great day today, its sunny, the kids are working hard, everyone speaks perfect English
Woodward: What do you want?
Ole: Regarding this rebuilding thing I was thinking, there's this kid at West Ham. He's not WC, far from it, but he's a hardworking honest English lad. West Ham will probably ask 80m for him. Id say he's value. Ah and don't forget Longstaffy. Great honest lad. That's another 60m I am afraid but he's worth every penny
Woodward: Jeez we're in a bad state Ole, can't you find someone cheaper?
Ole: Ah ah ah, you can't go full skint on me now. We both agreed with buying only players who 'understand what playing with Manchester United' means. You know, like the likes of Jesse, Rashy and Jonesy
Woodward walks in his office and smashes the door
Ole: I don't need reassurances. What a perfect day.
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Mate, we've just lost to fecking Newcastle, the worst team in the league. Before that West Ham and Palace.
Under LVG we were at least getting results against the big teams but Arsenal put in a dire performance at Old Trafford and we still couldn't beat them, we're literally worse than we've ever been since SAF retired and currently aren't finishing anywhere near 8th.
Yes it's been a poor run nobody can doubt that, but if maguire sticks the header in like he should have (absolute sitter) then it's a different match.
Anyway, i'm not sitting here making excuses but I genuinely believe it. We are better than the recent run.
I bet people were saying similar things during Moyes season : "We're the damn league champions. Things are bad now but I'm sure we'll improve and definitely will finish 3rd may be 4th at least. It's unthinkable that we'll miss CL! This is a temporary period of drop form".
Well we didn't get relegated under Moyes either did we?