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They sure made it known now that being an ally of America, in this case against ISIS, doesn’t really matter to Americans in the long term.

Countries in the future will think twice before joining up with them in a conflict considering how Trump just threw the Kurds under the bus.
Do you think this is the first time the USA do so? In 1991 the USA allowed Saddam helicopters to fly directly after the Safwan tent agreement to eradicate the Iraqi revolution against Saddam. Only hours after operation desert storm ended. Even after the late ISIS takeover of Northern and west Iraq, the left the Iraqi army with no airpower and withheld 20 f16 fighters for many years that the iraqies desperatly needed despite them already paying for them, which led to the iraqies going to Russia and urgently buying Russian fighters to fight ISIS back. It is not a specific Trump thing, it is more a US thing.
 

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Pence featuring as the functioning adult more and more prominently these days, feels like the Christian Right is heading towards ending their devils bargain with Trump.
 

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You just know his end game was to get a photo with both sets of parents and then tell the world how he reconciled four good people.
Every time you think he's peaked, he proves you wrong.

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How can anyone support the kurds? 80% of the territory they occupy is predominantly Arab Syrians, but hey let's not let the facts stand in the way of sympathising with the poor Kurds, I'm sure the west would hate the idea of a new Israel in the area. Actually there's like 2 million Arabs in the US, why don't they give us the territory and we call it Arabstan? Oh it's different because US is your country and you actually care? :lol:
 

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I wouldn't count on that. Especially not without any sort of charismatic leader of their own.
Pence getting into office is their wet dream. They’ve been trying to get a hardcore evangelical into power for decades.
 

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It's like if Hitler said he's saving all the Jews by not gunning them down in the streets and instead moving them to a camp.
Oh please, stop this nonsense. It's actually quite disrespectful to those who perished in the Holocaust.
 

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Oh please, stop this nonsense. It's actually quite disrespectful to those who perished in the Holocaust.
Oh really? Because the people who actually survived the Holocaust have some pretty strong feelings about standing by while innocent people get slaughtered by states because of their ethnicity.

When they say ‘never forget’ that’s supposed to be in order to ensure it never happens again, not just out of respect for the Jewish dead.

When Turkey invaded they were pulling innocent people out of cars and summarily executing them in the street. That’s EXACTLY the kind of sick shit that we’re supposed to stand up against if we want to show respect for the Holocaust dead.
 

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Oh really? Because the people who actually survived the Holocaust have some pretty strong feelings about standing by while innocent people get slaughtered by states because of their ethnicity.

When they say ‘never forget’ that’s supposed to be in order to ensure it never happens again, not just out of respect for the Jewish dead.

When Turkey invaded they were pulling innocent people out of cars and summarily executing them in the street. That’s EXACTLY the kind of sick shit that we’re supposed to stand up against if we want to show respect for the Holocaust dead.
It's obviously terrible that innocent people are dying but this has been happening on all sides during the civil war. Furthermore, injustices like this are happening in other parts of the the world and most here are silent. It's very selective

And its disrespectful because its not happening on the same scale as the Holocaust nore as systematic.

Also if you care so much about calling things out, I can't remember any discussion over things like this,.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...lys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/

As I said selective.
 

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You really haven't a fecking clue do you
Maybe. But definitely more than you atleast, some of the things you have said over the last few pages are frankly quite ridiculous.

But don't take it from me, try talking to our Syrian posters they'll let you know.
 
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How can anyone support the kurds? 80% of the territory they occupy is predominantly Arab Syrians, but hey let's not let the facts stand in the way of sympathising with the poor Kurds, I'm sure the west would hate the idea of a new Israel in the area. Actually there's like 2 million Arabs in the US, why don't they give us the territory and we call it Arabstan? Oh it's different because US is your country and you actually care? :lol:
Isn't "-istan" a Farsi term though? ;)

Anyway, I think it'll be great as we have plenty of desert land over here so it'll be just like over there. You guys can have a piece of Arizona for yourselves.
 

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By any chance, do you really know the demographics of the area?
As far as I was aware the bulk of Kurds have historically lived along the northern border and made up more than half of the locals there. I know that they've struck out at surrounding areas, using the fight against IS as a justification for linking regions and now control a greater number of non-kurdish provinces going down towards the Euphrates, but it's precisely the northern regions (where they form a majority) that Turkey wants them removed from.

Is that understanding incorrect?
 

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As far as I was aware the bulk of Kurds have historically lived along the northern border and made up more than half of the locals there. I know that they've struck out at surrounding areas, using the fight against IS as a justification for linking regions and now control a greater number of non-kurdish provinces going down towards the Euphrates, but it's precisely the northern regions (where they form a majority) that Turkey wants them removed from.

Is that understanding incorrect?
Even along the northern border there are long stretches with Arab majorities, hence why Rojava was initially divided into three discontiguous cantons. On the other hand, there was a Ba’th-led program to settle Arabs from Raqqa and Aleppo in Kurdish areas in the north-east in the 70s, I’m not sure how much this impacted the demographic balance but it seems to have been significant enough to have been a continuing source of tension up there ever since.

Also from a Syrian nationalist perspective, not all Kurds in Syria have a legitimate claim to be identified as ‘Syrian Kurds’. While many have deep roots in what is now Syria, a majority arrived in the country in the 1920s fleeing Ataturk’s crackdown on a major Kurdish-dominated rebellion in the new state of Turkey. Then in the 60s the Ba’thist government somewhat arbitrarily decided that a significant number of these were ‘foreign’ and so denied them citizenship, and this legal distinction between ‘Syrian’ and ‘foreign’ Kurds existed right up to 2011.
 

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As far as I was aware the bulk of Kurds have historically lived along the northern border and made up more than half of the locals there. I know that they've struck out at surrounding areas, using the fight against IS as a justification for linking regions and now control a greater number of non-kurdish provinces going down towards the Euphrates, but it's precisely the northern regions (where they form a majority) that Turkey wants them removed from.

Is that understanding incorrect?
Well first of all, the kurds overtook areas way deep into Syria and made sure to take over Der Ezzour which is an all arabs area because it's rich in oil, and that's probably why the US started supporting them in the first place, second of all they make a good portion of the border but definitely less than 50% and it's more like north eastern.
Isn't "-istan" a Farsi term though? ;)

Anyway, I think it'll be great as we have plenty of desert land over here so it'll be just like over there. You guys can have a piece of Arizona for yourselves.
Of course you think desert, you're an American after all :p when you think desert think more gulf Arabs rather than Sham arabs.
 

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Well first of all, the kurds overtook areas way deep into Syria and made sure to take over Der Ezzour which is an all arabs area because it's rich in oil, and that's probably why the US started supporting them in the first place, second of all they make a good portion of the border but definitely less than 50% and it's more like north eastern.

Of course you think desert, you're an American after all :p when you think desert think more gulf Arabs rather than Sham arabs.
Just trying to think of wide open space where no one will bother yall. But since you drive a hard bargain, you can have part of Oklahoma.
 

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Just trying to think of wide open space where no one will bother yall. But since you drive a hard bargain, you can have part of Oklahoma.
I want the oil rich part of texas, just like the kurds want the oil rich part of syria that they have no right to.
 

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I want the oil rich part of texas, just like the kurds want the oil rich part of syria that they have no right to.
I’ll allow it. Just help turn Texas blue. Oh and get a couple of guns while you’re out there in case any crazies feel like acting out a manifesto.
 

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Shame billy big boy Mattis didn't speak up during his time being employed in the Govt, it's all well and good jabbing Trump and stooping to his level (which i guess, at this point anything goes in the new West Wing Series) but not saying anything and toeing the party line sucking his toes just shows what kind of a guy he is.
 

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Shame billy big boy Mattis didn't speak up during his time being employed in the Govt, it's all well and good jabbing Trump and stooping to his level (which i guess, at this point anything goes in the new West Wing Series) but not saying anything and toeing the party line sucking his toes just shows what kind of a guy he is.
It’s a catch-22, I don’t know what’s worse, the military behind or perceived to be behind a lunatic like Trump, or the normalisation of military leaders overruling civil government.
 

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I'm convinced when Alec Baldwin does trump on snl that we're seeing the real Donald and nobody realises it and the one sat in the oval office is really Baldwins Trump parody and snl are laughing nobody noticed the switch.
 
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