This is actually great, it shows the fake level of some posters, then again its not surprise, dormant period is over.
If Mourinho's authority and ideology were given more backing, would we be challenging?
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Oh so you didn't have anything useful to say so you pretend to not comprehend. What a great a way to use your post limit
Mourinho deadwood is bangin goals across the isles, while our shackled beast remains sedated.
Oh so you didn't have anything useful to say so you pretend to not comprehend. What a great a way to use your post limit
I wasn’t pretending to not understand I was taking the p in a lighthearted way of the above post which was a right tongue twister. Sorry if it just confused things.
What I do have to say is that I am glad that you accept as fact that Mourinho didn’t have the authority to make transfers the way he was sold the job..........as many claim this is pure speculation/hypothesis.
Except I didn't say I accepted that. That was your hypothetical. You may want to go back and read your own posts.
seems like lots of people have issues comprehending what you are trying to sayOh so you didn't have anything useful to say so you pretend to not comprehend. What a great a way to use your post limit
I thought you already dealt with me? Run along.seems like lots of people have issues comprehending what you are trying to say
You can claim the same for most of the successful managers. In fact, Jose is the only one with credentials to have done it without $$$$.
That's got more to do with the player than the manager.
A manager like conte or Jose can only ever use a striker like Lukaku upfront and can never ever use a technical based CF due to their tactics.
The fact that Jose sold Lukaku because he wasn't good enough for Chelsea and bought him for 3x the amount is proof that Jose wasn't going to be able to change United around. What happens afterwards? We sell him because he simply isn't good enough unless the whole team uses him as the one and only attacking outlet of the whole squad & for me whether you agree or not it isn't good enough for modern day football. He would have built a team around Lukaku the next year - maybe Sanchez on one side, maybe a winger on the other side to provide crosses - but just because the whole team are struggling under a below avaerage manager like Ole doesn't mean we should start pretending that Jose would have got us better over all.
Sure Jose would be better than Ole, same with LVG - but they wouldn't be good enough for United and our targets & that's why they left the club.
Jose was lucky to have martial on the left that season. If he only had Sanchez - my lord things would be dodgy. Now the fans are avoiding the fact that martial plays CF forward for us and purely concentrates on the fact that Rashford struggles - like we all were apparently telling Jose to stop playing Lukaku upfront and play Rashford as a target man.
That's not true.
Jose's tactics and transfers are a let down & why that would suddenly change is confusing. Maguire would have hardly added any ability to out attacking output & it would hardly improve Lukaku's first touch or matics, fred"s, sanchez"s ability to be useful.
As I said before - Jose is a short term winner & the second season at every club he has been at has been his best because he has the ability to build what he wants. By that time we were still not good enough & players he relied on were already starting to fail like Zlatan & Mkhitarayan.
At the end of the day - it doesn't really matter, fans have talked about how LVG should have stayed to improve Rashford, Martial, Memphis and possibly another RF he may have bought to even out the front lot. Now fans are talking about Jose and how they wanted the Lukaku Matic perisic trend to have continued.
Each to their own but I am very glad its not going to happen. One of the main reasons why is because whilst our fans may be happy with sneaking top 4's for a couple seasons under Jose - it simply wouldn't happen because of his short term approach, his preference of old players, non technical players, and his poor man management where he fights with his own players and regularly with his best players before he voluntarily messes up with the squad and the team so he can leave with his head held up high.
Jose would not have settled for a top 4 like our fans do & he wouldn't be open to accept his own mistakes - therefore pretending that he wouldn't be end up blowing the whole thing up instead of trying to rebalance or restructure his squad to new tactics or new tricks is a bit delusional in my opinion.
Again - he failed at all his clubs post 3 years whether he left with success or with failure - why oh why is it going to change United who arguably one of the most strict clubs in the world when it comes to following a certain ethos and identity - even if its holding us back?
You mean how he lucked out against us? Paul Scholes onside goal disallowed, a free kick that wasn't in the last minute then converted thanks to a Howard howler.
Yes lady luck was on his side.
He's holding us back from a freefall over a cliff. Now our precious ole unbuckle the safety belt and we're freefalling
You’d be right if you weren’t wrong, he spent £20million at Porto and won the Champions League or does this not count?
So say we got Pochettino, Simeone, Conte, Allegri, hell even Wenger - you really think we would be free falling the same amount as we are under Ole?
We are not falling due to Jose leaving us - we are falling because Ole is a poor manager.
Fact is - he achieved second on his strongest season as he always do in his first second seasons at the club & then Bang - everything explodes and the clubs starts rotting even though he has the same exact players he achieved 2nd with.
He wasn't holding us back from anything. He achieved the best he could with the squad & then he himself started free falling. Woodward made another poor decision to hire a completely incompetent manager and we are still free falling now at an even faster rate from both tenures.
Jose had to deal with some of the poor decisions of LVG's tenure when he came in (Rooney, schneirdelin) Ole had to deal with some of the poor decisions Jose made when he came in (sanchez, Lukaku, Matic, Fred) - problem is Ole is incapable both tactically and making the right decision alongside Woodward. What's that go to do with Jose holding us from rotting I will never get.
The amount of money Mourinho spent on his squad was enough for Klopp to turn his into serious title challengers and CL winners.
Did he do that less than 24 months into the job?
He was appointed only a few months before Mourinho, inherited a worse squad and lost his best player (Coutinho). He reached a CL final in his second full season, spending a lot less than United did in that period.
Klopp and Pep have the ability to get a squad to play like a team.
Jose gets 11 individuals and gets them to tactically play together. One deserves time. One was given time until he starts picking at the individuals whilst having favouritism towards certain individuals who don't perform themselves.
It's just negative. You can see it in his face. His tactics. The way he speeks. The way he deals with players who need support. His individualism is a portrait of who he puts at the top of the tree - himself and not United.
that's a 'NO' then?
successful people don’t become successful just being lucky. They have to have the abilities and capabilities to put themselves in the position to get some luck sometimes.
Mourinho spent £20million at Porto and won the champions league in his second season fact
Like 20 million years ago. Fact.
I'm sure he would have turned everything around in the second half of 18/19. You really are such a weird fanboy of his.
FACT- 20 million years ago was the early Miocene Epoch (23 million to 16 million years ago). Dinosaurs had been extinct 45 million years and land-dwelling mammals were essentially modern but the fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa and so Mourinho wasn’t around at that time.
FACT - 2002/03
Porto transfer income £16.20m
Porto transfer expenditure £10.26m
Overall balance +£5.94m
FACT - 2003/04
Porto transfer income £9.00m
Porto transfer expenditure £9.45m
Overall balance -£0.45m
FACT Porto transfer balance 2002-2004
£5.49million in credit
FACT Mourinho won Champions League in his second season 2003/04
FACT He delivered that and more, achieving the treble in 2002/2003 – Uefa Cup, Portuguese Cup (beating his former club in the final) and League title (seven points ahead of Benfica and 17 ahead of third place Sporting), then the league and the Champions League double the following season
FACT He did this without spending $$$$
FACT In second season he took us to 2nd with 81 points. That would have been enough win prem league in many previous seasons. SAF won league with less points on 4 occasions.
96/97 UTD 75
97/98 Arse 78
98/99 UTD79
00/01 UTD 80
10/11 UTD 80
15/16 Leicester 81
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Ladies and gentlemen. Exhibit A. Delusional fool thinks a press conference proves his delusions right when it does nothing to the numerous arguments already presented against his delusions.
Oh the irony.
Ole’s so bad that it has Mourinho looking like a supermodel in the eyes of some people, despite him being a washed up has been. You hate to see it.
Considering he's the only ex or current manchester united manager to have won the english premier league title in the last 5 years, washed up seems to be a bit of a harsh statement.
Resorting to childish insults isn't an argument. And your other "arguments" are just incoherent ramblings about Jose's past achievements. I've already posted enough evidence so you can reread the thread since you haven't been paying attention. Not interested in arguing with a poster like you. Cheers.Ladies and gentlemen. Exhibit A. Delusional fool thinks a press conference proves his delusions right when it does nothing to the numerous arguments already presented against his delusions.
Oh the irony.
Wow, you start the delusional nonsense and complain when the table is turned. Nice delusion there. And again, you have posted zero substance other than insults and did not address any arguments.
Weird you don't know the difference between a personal insult and commentary/criticism. It's also weird, but not surprising you aren't even aware of what was posted:
^ Not even in response to you mind you
Specifically talking about the string of appeal to accomplishment posts of yours. What were they? Here:
Your words. Not mine.
So yes, you were spouting a bunch of nonsense and I merely pointed it out to you (a critique) without resorting to calling you names. Happy to help you distinguish between these two things.
In regards to posts of substance, as I said before since you haven't been paying attention you should go back and review what was already posted. That's how internet forums generally work. In fact, you can use the thread tools feature to specifically look at posts a particular person has made. Amazing, isn't it? As an added bonus, I'll even provide you a link so you can look at the numerous times I added substance and or context: https://www.redcafe.net/search/146239393/
Let me know if you need any more help distinguishing between a personal insult and a critique or finding substance. Cheers.
Lukaku will score goals anywhere. He is nothing like as bad a player as many on here had posted.
But. What has that got to do with Mourinho. Oh yes. I forgot. Mourinho is to blame for absolutely everything.
So. Please tell us what you have achieved. Because only when you are or have been one of the most successful people in whatever jobs you have done are you in a position to call Jose a washed up has been.
Are you even aware of far off the mark, your post is? Some might say it sounds delusional.
You see there? I criticized your post. I cannot say the same for your post which was in support of a post calling people who don't think "Mourinho is shit", brainwashed.
Apparently, you are the one who doesn't know the difference between criticism or insults. I'll just let the questioning loyalty part slide cause your argument is already a joke at this point.
As for appeal to accomplishments? Nonsense. I was referring to someone calling Mourinho a "nobody" on the basis of he says so.
As for finding substance, your link result ended in an error page not found. I kid you not. OMG that is so hilarious and so, so, so poetic. A perfect reflection of your substance. What a joke
And as usual, you rebutt nothing in my posts and only provide insults. Par for the course for agenda posters like you.
What do you think his recent record suggests? Compared to what Mourinho was before, he is washed up until proven otherwise.
Waiting to see a list of all the clubs lining up for him?
At the moment it looks likes about as employable as Gary Neville.
At the moment it looks likes about as employable as Gary Neville.
he will get a big job before you know it. Don’t worry. I know you’re counting the days he is without a job but I don’t think he is worried like you are about him landing the next job.
People calling him washed up, but forgetting he is the only ex or current manager of Man United post SAF to ever win the English Premier League in the last 5ish years.
Not to mention he is also the most decorated and successful manager in terms of trophies won and league position while managing Man United, post SAF. Let alone his overall record.
Life is funny sometimes.
Not to mention he is also the most decorated and successful manager in terms of trophies won and league position while managing Man United, post SAF. Let alone his overall record.
Life is funny sometimes.
As for finding substance, your link result ended in an error page not found. I kid you not. OMG that is so hilarious and so, so, so poetic. A perfect reflection of your substance. What a joke
Or you can use the Thread Tools dropdown...
What exactly is anyone supposed to refute? I'm confused.
That Jose Mourinho is still able to cause division among the United fanbase some ten months post his sacking is truly a testament to the man's WUMMING ability.
The guy is a freaking legend.
The guy is a freaking legend.
JM approach: Works against teams willing to attack and control the games. Does not work against teams that do not. And given that MUFC ends up controlling the game against the 75% of the teams we play, his approach is not suitable for MUFC in a majority of the games. What is so ironic is that the players we have bought under OGS are best suited to play the way Mourinho played: Low possession, low block, counterattacking...