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Ranchero, I’m disappointed, slightly, that you don’t have a load of fecking clip art in the OP this time.
 

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Im not familiar with Ranchero’s work so cant tell if he is a good poster or not. He will have to send me nudes for me to make an informed decision.

That said i do think we should be editing peoples posts even if they don't break a rule. If it's a shit post, don't ban/infract him, just edit the post.
Agreed.
 

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Was a bit of a shitty thing to do.

Ranchero is generally a good poster, always puts full effort into his posts, unlike Paul Pogba who has all the integrity of a schoolboy snitch despite earning 50 million pesos a week.
 

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You fools, don't you realize what this means? You can say anything you want, and just claim it's been edited. I blame Eboue for everything anyway, and he's not even a moderator. Yet.
 

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Well, RAWK started poorly in poetry department as well. I assume.
 

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Poor form and not in the spirit of an internet forum. I also think those piling onto @Ranchero with personal insults are doing far worse than his supposed original offence. A moderator's function is to safeguard against offensive conduct or anything that breaks the rules, not to be an arbitrator on what opinions are good or "shit".
 

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Yes, I'm not really sure why the first page is full of people laughing at the OP. Mods shouldn't edit people's posts and misrepresent their opinions/insult them, that should be extremely obvious.
 

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Yeah, agree with the posts above this. You can't say anything about the mods on this forum without being ridiculed but this is not a cool thing to do, and I'm surprised more people can't see that.
 

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Poor form and not in the spirit of an internet forum. I also think those piling onto @Ranchero with personal insults are doing far worse than his supposed original offence. A moderator's function is to safeguard against offensive conduct or anything that breaks the rules, not to be an arbitrator on what opinions are good or "shit".
Yes, I'm not really sure why the first page is full of people laughing at the OP. Mods shouldn't edit people's posts and misrepresent their opinions/insult them, that should be extremely obvious.
Yeah, agree with the posts above this. You can't say anything about the mods on this forum without being ridiculed but this is not a cool thing to do, and I'm surprised more people can't see that.
Not sure if any of these are serious...
 

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I agree with the post above the one above this. Look at that tagline that they gave me, shameful absolutely shameful.
 

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They’re just having fun. I think some of yall gotta lighten up.
I think that sort of thing is best to do on someone who has a relationship with the mods and so will take banter as banter and not mean spirited, unfair censoring. It's pretty clear that this isn't the case with Ranchero. It's a worrying precedent if mods edit comments with insults to the users and denigrating their opinions (when they haven't been expressed abusively). I don't think that's the duty of mods and they should stay in their lane.

I appreciate that they give up their time voluntarily to preserve this forum but they shouldn't be immune from criticism if they do something out of line. If it's not called out, it becomes OK and I don't think it is, nor do a lot of users here. Taking it too seriously? Perhaps... But we're in a society of fake news, narrative framing and free speech only being free if it suits certain agendas or groupthink. People are more wary of that stuff and would hope for a reasonable amount of neutrality on internet forums from those who run it. Censor bad conduct by all means, not 'bad' opinions.
 

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I think that sort of thing is best to do on someone who has a relationship with the mods and so will take banter as banter and not mean spirited, unfair censoring. It's pretty clear that this isn't the case with Ranchero. It's a worrying precedent if mods edit comments with insults to the users and denigrating their opinions (when they haven't been expressed abusively). I don't think that's the duty of mods and they should stay in their lane.

I appreciate that they give up their time voluntarily to preserve this forum but they shouldn't be immune from criticism if they do something out of line. If it's not called out, it becomes OK and I don't think it is, nor do a lot of users here. Taking it too seriously? Perhaps... But we're in a society of fake news, narrative framing and free speech only being free if it suits certain agendas or groupthink. People are more wary of that stuff and would hope for a reasonable amount of neutrality on internet forums from those who run it. Censor bad conduct by all means, not 'bad' opinions.
I get it but I think it’s being taken too personally. It’s redcafe. Have a little fun. Laugh at yourself. We’re all spending our free time discussing the conduct of overpaid millionaires kick a ball around in the end.
 

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They’re just having fun. I think some of yall gotta lighten up.
Going to jump in here and say that if the mods dont know the poster in question fairly well they shouldnt be at this carry on. They have no idea the posters state of mind and howd the would take this "banter".

One mans banter is anothers bullying
 

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Poor form and not in the spirit of an internet forum. I also think those piling onto @Ranchero with personal insults are doing far worse than his supposed original offence. A moderator's function is to safeguard against offensive conduct or anything that breaks the rules, not to be an arbitrator on what opinions are good or "shit".
This is a playground where we all come to talk shit and people have a laugh. Not a democratic congress. Also for quality control, moderators do absolutely act as arbitrators on what is good or shit. That's how the site survives and doesn't become like the cesspits you see in Facebook groups or on Reddit.
 

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This is a playground where we all come to talk shit and people have a laugh. Not a democratic congress. Also for quality control, moderators do absolutely act as arbitrators on what is good or shit. That's how the site survives and doesn't become like the cesspits you see in Facebook groups or on Reddit.
So on what criteria is good or shit judged? Is the original poster not allowed to give an opinion on a player? Where does what he said break the rules? He didn't insult any users and was perfectly reasonable in his viewpoint and the words he used to express himself. How would you feel if an opinion of yours was edited and you were called a shit poster by a mod?

As for your playground comments... how far does that go? Should we not be aiming higher than 'playground where we all come to talk shit'? You say all but that's not true. I say this because I have seen an alarming amount of personal abuse here, especially in the most innocuous discussions where people get called all sorts of names for having a differing opinion. Is that something that should keep on being perpetuated or challenged? Is it really OK in 2019 to insinuate people concerned by personal attacks are just snowflakes that take themselves too seriously? Isn't this the same sort of thinking as 'boys will be boys' to justify all manner of behaviour?
 

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Going to jump in here and say that if the mods dont know the poster in question fairly well they shouldnt be at this carry on. They have no idea the posters state of mind and howd the would take this "banter".

One mans banter is anothers bullying
Alternatively I can say that if a poster really reacts in such ways to this, then he/she might want to consider other avenues for their internet experience.
 

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So on what criteria is good or shit judged? Is the original poster not allowed to give an opinion on a player? Where does what he said break the rules? He didn't insult any users and was perfectly reasonable in his viewpoint and the words he used to express himself. How would you feel if an opinion of yours was edited and you were called a shit poster by a mod?

As for your playground comments... how far does that go? Should we not be aiming higher than 'playground where we all come to talk shit'? You say all but that's not true. I say this because I have seen an alarming amount of personal abuse here, especially in the most innocuous discussions where people get called all sorts of names for having a differing opinion. Is that something that should keep on being perpetuated or challenged? Is it really OK in 2019 to insinuate people concerned by personal attacks are just snowflakes that take themselves too seriously? Isn't this the same sort of thinking as 'boys will be boys' to justify all manner of behaviour?
Yeah you take this way too seriously.
 

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There should be a holding cell where deleted posts are kept for 24/48 so you can read them again before they are permanently binned - and 99% of the time you'd probably agree with why the action was taken.
In my case I was making a comment in the palindromic post count thread. I reached a certain number and then he deleted some of my posts to misrepresent my result. I was deeply hurt as he didn’t understand my state of mind and it really should be considered bullying. This is 2019 and things like boys will be boys just isn’t an excuse to do that anymore.
 

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So on what criteria is good or shit judged? Is the original poster not allowed to give an opinion on a player? Where does what he said break the rules? He didn't insult any users and was perfectly reasonable in his viewpoint and the words he used to express himself. How would you feel if an opinion of yours was edited and you were called a shit poster by a mod?

As for your playground comments... how far does that go? Should we not be aiming higher than 'playground where we all come to talk shit'? You say all but that's not true. I say this because I have seen an alarming amount of personal abuse here, especially in the most innocuous discussions where people get called all sorts of names for having a differing opinion. Is that something that should keep on being perpetuated or challenged? Is it really OK in 2019 to insinuate people concerned by personal attacks are just snowflakes that take themselves too seriously? Isn't this the same sort of thinking as 'boys will be boys' to justify all manner of behaviour?
I doubt that you've seen an alarming amount of personal abuse. You might have seen someone use colourful language, but actual abuse is frowned upon and actioned by the moderating team. Also given that this forum is massively left leaning, I don't think you'll see too many people calling posters snowflakes.

I've had opinions of mine edited and been called a shit poster by a few mods, and I used to be a mod. Not everyone has the same view of you, shock horror.
 

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I doubt that you've seen an alarming amount of personal abuse. You might have seen someone use colourful language, but actual abuse is frowned upon and actioned by the moderating team. Also given that this forum is massively left leaning, I don't think you'll see too many people calling posters snowflakes.

I've had opinions of mine edited and been called a shit poster by a few mods, and I used to be a mod. Not everyone has the same view of you, shock horror.
Depends what is considered personal abuse. I've seen a lot of insults over such insignificant matters. You either don't consider insults on a forum as a big deal or you're desensitised to it. I've been reading this forum for over a decade. Maybe it's always been like this but I'm more aware of it now I'm approaching my 40s. For me, there's no reason to insult anyone over opinions over football (and basically most other matters). Civility is pretty basic and the division of a computer screen doesn't negate the need for it. If I'm not mistaken, one of the rules here is to argue the point, not the poster. If you don't consider this to be happening on a pretty widespread level here, you're mistaken. You even acknowledge being called a shit poster by a few mods... how is that OK? Why personalise things? Why not just argue with individual points rather than label people? Even here, and this is tame in comparison, people are leaving mocking laugh emojis at the poster (rather than debating what was actually a reasonable and calm original post) and telling him to shut up. These are shit posts, not his. At least dialogue with the guy, show him a bit of respect rather than essentially standing there like Nelson from the Simpsons saying 'HAWW HAWW". Or simply stay out the thread. And, holy shit, why the need for several people to all pile in and do it?

In my case I was making a comment in the palindromic post count thread. I reached a certain number and then he deleted some of my posts to misrepresent my result. I was deeply hurt as he didn’t understand my state of mind and it really should be considered bullying. This is 2019 and things like boys will be boys just isn’t an excuse to do that anymore.
Sarcasm isn't a high form of wit and you essentially prove my point.

Look, I realise it's easy to dismiss me as overly sensitive or just shoot me a few passive aggressive one word/emoji dismissals, but have you not stopped to consider my point? Mental health problems, especially among young men, are prevalent. Does the normalisation of insulting/bullying online, especially between those where there's no existing rapport, not have any detrimental affect? What harm is it to be a kind or at least civil to each other? Would some of this conduct fly in 'real life'? I'm not just talking about this forum; it's pretty rife all over the net. What's different here is seeing a worrying sign that some mods think this is OK or, even worse, exhibiting such behaviour themselves.
 

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Depends what is considered personal abuse. I've seen a lot of insults over such insignificant matters. You either don't consider insults on a forum as a big deal or you're desensitised to it. I've been reading this forum for over a decade. Maybe it's always been like this but I'm more aware of it now I'm approaching my 40s. For me, there's no reason to insult anyone over opinions over football (and basically most other matters). Civility is pretty basic and the division of a computer screen doesn't negate the need for it. If I'm not mistaken, one of the rules here is to argue the point, not the poster. If you don't consider this to be happening on a pretty widespread level here, you're mistaken. You even acknowledge being called a shit poster by a few mods... how is that OK? Why personalise things? Why not just argue with individual points rather than label people? Even here, and this is tame in comparison, people are leaving mocking laugh emojis at the poster (rather than debating what was actually a reasonable and calm original post) and telling him to shut up. These are shit posts, not his. At least dialogue with the guy, show him a bit of respect rather than essentially standing there like Nelson from the Simpsons saying 'HAWW HAWW". Or simply stay out the thread. And, holy shit, why the need for several people to all pile in and do it?
It's actually way better than it used to be. It used to be a Wild West, where people have tried to meet up for fights and where posters have at times said to other posters that they're glad that their partner miscarried. Those are personal abuses and insults. The forum today is incredibly sanitized over how it was a decade ago.

With regards to the OP's post about Pogba, I would imagine that people were tired of reading the 15,000th non original post about Pogba's attitude that offered nothing new, and was just an excuse to attack somebody yet then cries foul when they're made the subject of something lighthearted.
 
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