You mean like th U.S and UK government, who regularly kill innocent people?
Saudi Takeover - Claim deal done
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Not really, though I might not have been paying enough attention I suppose. There have been rumours of the Glazer kids being split on their commitment to the club since the old man croaked, but the two main brothers have always been said to be in it for the long-term as they see so much more money to be milked from the club going forward than their sister and the other one. I could only see them selling if they received a really stupidly high offer, but even for a Saudi billionaire the valuation of the club in the eyes of the Glazers would be laughable I’d think, especially given how much is needed to be spent on the stadium, squad, etc if the objective is to be competitive again.
The restricted spending the last couple of years might indicate signs that they are ready to move-on, but equally it could just be that they don’t want to spend decent money without selling players first, especially after a couple of high-spending windows under LVG and Jose, and an excessively high wage bill.
I remain to be convinced, basically.
It's repulsive.
Top post.
Funnily enough, people always think what they believe is correct and everyone else is wrong. Everyone could learn a bit of tolerance.
Great post, one of your best ever
Oils at the wheel...
hmmmm
yes I feel like they weren't really thinking long term the last couple of years.
the poor transfer budgets for 2 consecutive years offset this summer by sales
renewing contracts rather than paying fees
Brexit rumours and the devaluing of the pound
we've peaked financially for the next 2/3 years. Europa League money next financial year and probably the year after that.
whatever commercial penalties that brings with the likes of Adidas
i read the commercial side of the club had stagnated somewhat after huge growth over the last 10 years (not sure how true this is)
the Glazers have converted shares (that can be done with intention to sell? I'm not clear on this)
the reality is to get us back to where we need to be as an elite club is probably going to require 300m over the next couple of years - that's money from their asset
I just feel like the time is right for them to sell. They don't give a toss about the football so the only thing I could see persuading them to stay is a big deal around the corner like exclusive TV rights or something - I think there might be something in these rumours
Won't be happy if this turns out to be true, but my club is my club no matter what.
Not really. We will become exactly what we mock city and psg for. I wanted us to emulate Liverpool like resurgence.
What ? There are millions who do that in the entire planet.
Personally, my club won't be my club at all. There is a line that all of us draw I would suppose. This is too much for me
Most countries law are based on religion.If there was a religious term for someone who literally doesnt give a flying feck what you believe in or what you dont' believe in, as long as you treat people in a civil and polite manner, I'd subscribe to that religion. Unfortunately, I've never seen one and the system of religion is designed as such. Believe in my belief or you are the enemy. Sad, really. It's 2019 like.
Do you agree with it?
I should have phrased that better. What I meant is that they take extraordinary offense with the idea that their belief might not be beneficial to humanity while constantly telling me that mine isn't.
Not that people aren't doing it.
Excellent post! I hope to every deity that I don’t believe in that this isn’t true, I like supporting United
agnostic probably suits you better than atheist
That’s your opinion. That’s their opinion. What’s to make you say YOUR opinion is the right one?
Pure hypocrisy in this sentiment
No, I'm an atheist but most people are not.
OK I made an 'awful' post. The main point is I don't want my club owned by a regressive regime that hates women, homosexuals, people of different complexion, people of different religion and all of the Western society that the club they are buying belongs to. I'm really sorry if I offended anyone who believes in this stuff and I respect your right to believe in all of the above and it being the centre part of any country's rule.
Sorry for budging in on your conversation but if the Glazers are after money then surely a huge offer will be too tempting to turn down, no? I mean United make profits of around 20% to 30% of turnover before interests, investments and taxes so unless they envision an unlikely scenario where United will consistently earn turnover of circa £2bn getting £4bn from the Saudis will be a boon, I doubt United will ever make them such money.
Then you look at the club and its needs from the stadium rejuvenation and expansion to another expensive rebuild the squad after six years of heavy spending with little to no success. If I am the Glazers I am taking the money and hightailing off to Florida.
I just messaged MBS on facebook so lets see what he says.
From the hands of one crocodile to the other.
My opinion is treat all people well, their opinion is treat only their own well. FFS does this really need explaining?
True. Whatever roughly summarises me/us dying and decaying like every other life form that has ever existed on this planet with no fantastical pipedream of 'something else' suits me fine. Have a good time, enjoy yourself and be kind to everyone because this is gonna be your only shot at this thing called life! Whatever is 'life' to you, grab it with both hands, because there is nothing else. Agnostic/Nihilistic/whatever.
No worries, we get your point you were just a bit exuberant in your delivery. I find most religious institutions and authorities abhorrent personally and think for the most part they are exploitative of the people they lead. That doesn’t mean that I hold any bad feeling of the people who follow them and nor does it mean I pity the people who follow them or think them weak or easily manipulated. Faith isn’t something I’ve ever had but it’s daft to flippantly write off something over half the population of the world experiences
See above for my thoughts. I read a study a little while ago that found that atheists/agnostics had a stronger moral code than people from organised religions. They concluded that non-theists actually have to apply reasoning and critical thinking to ethical dilemmas and in the process learn to empathise when then consider scenarios from their own perspective. Theists on the other hand generally follow a party like without understanding or questioning the foundation of the argument.
Just report it so.
There’s no oil without the wheel!
Feck the Saudis (the government/dictators/despotic tyrants/religious fundamentalists, not all people of Saudi Arabia of course).
I will be absolutely devastated if this happens. I'd rather see the club broke and relegated to league two instead of taking blood money from that horrible regime. I despise everything they stand for, and truly believe they make the world a worse place.
They should be heavily embargoed, boycotted and isolated from the "civilized world" until they drastically improve human rights, abolish slavery etc, not white washing their reputation by buying historic and popular sports clubs.
I fecking hate this, and hope it's just a BS rumour.
I will be absolutely devastated if this happens. I'd rather see the club broke and relegated to league two instead of taking blood money from that horrible regime. I despise everything they stand for, and truly believe they make the world a worse place.
They should be heavily embargoed, boycotted and isolated from the "civilized world" until they drastically improve human rights, abolish slavery etc, not white washing their reputation by buying historic and popular sports clubs.
I fecking hate this, and hope it's just a BS rumour.
So guys, its been real all those years knowing u all. Been great, but i dont think i can keep posting here if my government buys the club!
i value my freedom, so dont want be posting shit here that might get me in trouble!
i value my freedom, so dont want be posting shit here that might get me in trouble!
Another great post! Very well put.
Saudis at the wheel,
Tell me how good does it feel,
We've got oil, investment and food,
First out of the door is Eddy the wood,
Dududu dudu dududu dudu
Tell me how good does it feel,
We've got oil, investment and food,
First out of the door is Eddy the wood,
Dududu dudu dududu dudu
A series of shameless contradictions. Whatever makes you sleep well at night.
Not to me no. I see both sides here. I see the fact you were pretty brutal towards religious people to begin with, but I also agree with your sentiment that hardline Saudi Islam only has one people to look after and that is hardline Saudi Islam. Even moderate regular Muslims are victimised by those 'above' them.
This thread has been quite a trainwreck.
I wish I shared the optimism of those who just dismiss these as baseless rumours. There's been way too much speculation about this for the last year or two now. I'm worried.
I wish I shared the optimism of those who just dismiss these as baseless rumours. There's been way too much speculation about this for the last year or two now. I'm worried.
You're correct but the truth is inconvenient for those who want the fastest way to success.
Why do these ill mannered atheist kids always ruin these threads?
You know that’s what they think as well. That they are treating all people well and they can highlight the deficiencies of western culture as a stick to beat that point in. What I’m saying is, it goes either way. This whole ‘our way is the right way and only way’ is what has started conflicts in human evolution.
instead a bit of tolerance of acknowledging their are other opinions out there and different way of doing things, and being totally ok with that should be the prime goal imo
I don't believe this story but the Glazers need to go, Old Trafford, needs major investment and the Glazers will not do it.
@Pexbo sound man. I never meant to come off as dismissive of others beliefs. Simply just trying to convey my dissatisfaction at a Saudi takeover. You put it more succinctly as I ever could! I honestly will respect any beliefs if they don't affect the majority of people. I don't want a government based on militant atheists either!!
It's as good of a rulebook as anything written by man... Wait what
And the problem is that spending that much is no guarantee because it all depends on a variety of factors like do you have a good enough manager, the strength of your rivals and whether you have success with the signings. All this uncertainty and contrasted with getting easy money that's possibly twice the club's current valuation, it wouldnt surprise me if the Glazers were the ones pushing this story to get MBS interested.
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