Whataboutism qualifies as defending in my book.
Saudi Takeover - Claim deal done
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Well this thread took at turn, as expected, really.
Exactly as I feel mate. I don't agree with any religion but I will respect anyone who practices it. I came off as an idiot earlier and I accept my mistake. I guess it's an oxymoron in that most religions and religious people believe in peace but some use religion and their belief's as an excuse for violence. It's an inditement of humanity as a whole that we can use any "excuse (mostly economic) as a reason for violence. To be honest I think most of us are guilty of pinning it on one or two things rather than the multitudes of reasons that humans are bad to each other.
Blasphemy is punishable by death over there, but it depends on the case, and is not an automatic death sentence.
Yeah for anyone hoping this takeover goes through they shouldn't be getting the tea towels ready based on an article from the Express.
Glazers support Trump and the US military kills lots of people. Why aren't you leaving now?
Regardless this is all bollocks
Anyway guys I love discussing this subject and hopefully I'll be on tomorrow but I have a pregnant girlfriend wanting a sandwich!
If the Saudis do buy us I'm sure there'll be a concerted push to keep pogba at the club. Top class player and devout Muslim who regularly makes the pilgrimage to Mecca would appeal to them as the face of United I'm sure. They probably already know him to some extent.
Is United being used to make Trump and US military look good?
Given the Sun is the only 'major' news media to pick up this story...I doubt it very much.
False equivalency detected
Oh well.... every cloud eh?
I will, thank you. But i wish I can add more to the discussion, but i cant just post what i think and how i feel about this as all joking aside its not advisable to put it mildly.
Although, to all those that think it will be rosy if they bought us please know that they are incompetent and we all know money wasn't the only problem United had the past 6 years!
I'm sorry, correct me if I am wrong, are you suggesting that a country basing their laws on a 2000 year plus man's words based around a mystifying man in the sky is the way forward???????
We've definitely got execs over in Saudi at the moment though. I doubt they're over for a birthday party.
I think it's more likely that Woodward and the Glazers are master gossipers and realise that genocidal terrorists might have even less pulling power than themselves. Settling for the devil you know is easier.
What you are referring to as ‘hardline Saudi Islam’ is the minority sect of Wahhabism which the royal Al Saud family practice and enforce on their subjects.
Most Muslims find Wahhabism oppressive and it is not followed by the vast majority of Muslims who are ‘sunni'. Hence why Islam from Saudi Arabia feels very different to Sunni based Islam from SE and sub continent Asia or Turkey.
I’m a Muslim, comfortable and happy to be one and would be proud if my club was owned by someone similar. And yet I detest this Saudi royal family and their Wahhabism belief system with every ounce of my being and would be disgusted, if they owned our club.
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That's the trouble with the Internet, you are allowed to say whatever you want and allow people to believe that is fact. Just a poor online society I'm afraid.
I completely understand the points you're making but should it matter the level of association? The Glazers are shaking hands with the devil but people don't seem to care. According to some on here if the Saudis take over they will stop supporting the club which has to be respected as their decision but if the Glazers are already in bed with the Saudis why has nothing been said until now? People say they don't want the Saudis representing the club in any shape or form well unfortunately it already is.
"Saudi government finds and destroys infidel thanks to @JarleA on RedCafe.net"
That's what makes us, us.
There is so much mental gymnastics in his thread.
Let’s take the outcry mentioned by many about how outrageous it is that Saudi buy weapons from UK Goverment.
The UK ran a murderous and exploitative empire for nearly 300 years using weaponry to subjugate or kill anyone who wouldn’t bow down to them or loot their wealth and resources. And they used some of the vast wealth they stole to fund weaponry R&D which enabled UK to become one of the worlds most advanced weapon manufacturers.
Fast forward to modern day. UK manufactures weapons and is proud of it. They used these weapons in a very legally dubious war on Iraq some of which aided killing MILLIONS of innocent civilians. Many other occasions too .But how dare another country want weapons too. How dare UK sell them to other countries! Its UK manufactured weapons that kills people in Yemen and beyond.
Likewise there are so many other falsities and mistruths about Saudi Arabia in this thread. Basically if I type it, it must be true!
I detest Saudi Arabia more than most, but this weapon argument is worse than hypocritical.
Let’s take the outcry mentioned by many about how outrageous it is that Saudi buy weapons from UK Goverment.
The UK ran a murderous and exploitative empire for nearly 300 years using weaponry to subjugate or kill anyone who wouldn’t bow down to them or loot their wealth and resources. And they used some of the vast wealth they stole to fund weaponry R&D which enabled UK to become one of the worlds most advanced weapon manufacturers.
Fast forward to modern day. UK manufactures weapons and is proud of it. They used these weapons in a very legally dubious war on Iraq some of which aided killing MILLIONS of innocent civilians. Many other occasions too .But how dare another country want weapons too. How dare UK sell them to other countries! Its UK manufactured weapons that kills people in Yemen and beyond.
Likewise there are so many other falsities and mistruths about Saudi Arabia in this thread. Basically if I type it, it must be true!
I detest Saudi Arabia more than most, but this weapon argument is worse than hypocritical.
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Just to correct you here, I'm atheist and it just means I reject a theistic view of the universe. It does not mean I am anti religion.
An Anti-theist is someone who wants to get rid of theistic religions.
People spreading nonsense on the internet are very dangerous
Sad to say it but I feel my lifetimes association with MUFC will soon be at an end. But principles must come first. 
Think I'd still support us if Hitler was our owner tbh. My support of the club is not healthy.
We basically have to do a Leicester, but with a smaller budget. The scousers definitely didn't sell their soul when they spanked out over 300m on VVD, Alisson, Mane, Salah, Keita and Fabinho.
The man is quitting redcafe because he is afraid. But sure, fun joke mate.
hopefully it is
would be sickening to see the Saudis get their hands on United
the FA are a disgrace if that's what qualifies as fit and proper but then again the British Govt are happy to arm the Saudis
What's DiMarzio think?
I'm guessing you publicly denounce your king then?Sad to say it but I feel my lifetimes association with MUFC will soon be at an end. But principles must come first.
Trainwreck thread just like the last one on this subject.
You can use the term atheist quite happily. It just means you reject a theistic view of the universe.
People incorrectly describe atheism as a belief in nothing. The correct way to use the word is to say 'you are atheist'and not an atheist.
I'd recommend humanism as a philosophy to go along with your atheism
Dude, just stop.I'm guessing you publicly denounce your king then?
God the next few years are going to be VERY interesting. Honesty, I'm just exited United gets back to where it belongs.
I don't like the thought of not supporting a football club anymore that I've loved my entire life but I'm not supporting Saudi Arabia United.
What if a majority want to respect a specific belief system?
Also how you reconcile your beliefs alongside guzzling Saudi oil which has enabled your entire life?
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Technically aren't we all agnostic considering we'll never actually know or be able to prove/disprove?
Ricky Gervais touched on that, he's an agnostic atheist and I forget exactly how he described but essentially, we don't believe in God but we know we can't/never will be sure.
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