[Dr. Dwayne]

The team obviously couldn't be bothered.
On days like today, you ask yourself, why do WE still bother?

I got up before 8am for this!

 

[Kostur]

How can we not take a corner? It is one of the basics of football. Why can't we take a good throw in?

Well if people had doubts 'what we've been doing in the training' under Jose then sure as hell we've been doing feck all under Ole.

 

[Bobcat]

Just shite all over. James and AWB yet again our best peromers, which does not reflect kindly on the rest of the team. Ole also needs to fecking stop with the 4231 bollocks, we have always looked bad in it

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Have you not seen any of our 10 corners today? Or the corners for the good past year?

What do corner kicks have to do with it? It could have been a good shooting chance. It was closer than the one Rashford hit the other day

 

[Lemansky]

He won't (this season), because he has been assured by Woodie that his job is safe.
So, Ole will keep losing and won't feel any pressure. When he gets fired due to poor performance, he will say that he is very surprised and did not see this coming.
Woodie has a history of backing the manager publicly, then behind his back line up a replacement.

The whole situation is depressing. The one that really needs replacing is Woodward, and that guy is untouchable.

 

[Florida Man]

Aids football

Yes we need aides to help us score.

 

[Bobcat]

Thought we had turned a corner. Apparently not

The next 3 PL games are must-wins

 

[Falcow]

Bring back Lukaku.

Atleast he runs more than Martial

I just said the same thing in another thread, Martial's laziness really cost us today, he made it very easy for their defenders. I dont remember him making a single run. I think he is even more lazy than lukaku and that is saying something.

 

[Lentwood]

I can’t help but feel we’re always that bit slower to the ball to our opponents, that bit weaker in the tackle, that much more likely to switch off and leave a player free in the penalty area

McTominay said something the other day about not having an ego and matching your opponents work-rate in games.

Is there something sub-consciously sat in our players minds, whether it’s arrogance, complacency or laziness that just stops us giving that extra 10%?

Take today as an example....look at Josh King’s goal...how easy was that? How easy is it just for an opposition forward to bring the ball down in our box, turn and shoot? Compare that with Steve Cook in the last ten minutes.... twice threw his body in to prevent chances.

Also, go back to Ole’s first 10 games... what was the difference? I would say desire to prove Jose wrong! I distinctly remember the likes of Pogba and Rashford flying around the pitch as if there lives depended on it.

Just to be clear - I’m not saying we’re openly not trying.... but are we giving every last breath, covering every blade, straining every sinew? I’d say not

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Thought we had turned a corner. Apparently not

The next 3 PL games are must-wins

We can't even take a corner nevermind turn one.

 

[ExoduS]

When I panicked and screamed after that Leicester win, I was laughed at, and asked to hold my horses. I just knew that something is very, very wrong. Unfortunately we don't have a team. There is no chemistry and there is no identity. What sort of a team we are? Who are we as a team? Who is the leader? Who is our supersub?

I am not giving up on Ole. I wanna give him this season and 1 more. Let's not act like we don't have time. We got time, we sucked for 6 years now so sucking for one more wont make a difference. Actually I think sacking Ole and bringing someone else would be a bigger time waster. Let's freaking endure this disaster of a season and see what next two transfer windows bring. I am not very optimistic that it will work, but I am 100% sure that firing another coach will not work either.

 

[Houdini]

Have you not seen any of our 10 corners today? Or the corners for the good past year?

Our corners are worst in the leage. 0 goals from header. On top of that we are the most dispossesed team in the league.

 

[UnitedChampionsAgain]

Ferdinand with big expectations before the game, muttering something about Oles' plan now beginning to click. Think again Rio, as that was a sacking performance. Woeful from start to finish. So we can look decent against Norwich, big deal. We haven't a clue against a bog standard side and must be the worst passing team in the league.

 

[Alabaster Codify7]

I thought we'd shit house a win there, boy was I wrong. Wasn't stunned at all at full time, just switched off the laptop and got on with my day.

This is what it is now. It's 2019 and we're just a midtable team with midtable players, performances and results.

Led by a bottom tier level manager. It is what it is.

 

[Hughie77]

Bad performance in final 3rd again. It's just how I thought it may go, great start, could not finish it off, you just sensed it would go the other way.

I've expected it really, 4 away games, on a spin one of them had to give in a period where we are, just not finishing off the good things . Up and down season it's expected. But need to be better in front of goal.

 

[dev1l]

I can’t help but feel we’re always that bit slower to the ball to our opponents, that bit weaker in the tackle, that much more likely to switch off and leave a player free in the penalty area

McTominay said something the other day about not having an ego and matching your opponents work-rate in games.

Is there something sub-consciously sat in our players minds, whether it’s arrogance, complacency or laziness that just stops us giving that extra 10%?

Take today as an example....look at Josh King’s goal...how easy was that? How easy is it just for an opposition forward to bring the ball down in our box, turn and shoot? Compare that with Steve Cook in the last ten minutes.... twice threw his body in to prevent chances.

Also, go back to Ole’s first 10 games... what was the difference? I would say desire to prove Jose wrong! I distinctly remember the likes of Pogba and Rashford flying around the pitch as if there lives depended on it.

Just to be clear - I’m not saying we’re openly not trying.... but are we giving every last breath, covering every blade, straining every sinew? I’d say not

Good point,though there are other aspects too.
Overall I thought today we did enough maybe to get a point but things didn't work.out in our favour (as they did in the last games when we were lucky with some decisions going our way ).
Many times in football small incidents decide games. The difference between top teams and the rest is that the top teams have an extra gear which sees them winning those games in.which things do not work out in their favour.
We re clearly still far from being a top team,we need more quality in the side. This will come through 2 or 3 more signings and improvement in younger players such as James, Williams, Mc Tominay, AWB,Greenwood and Garner.

 

[koop]

I just said the same thing in another thread, Martial's laziness really cost us today, he made it very easy for their defenders. I dont remember him making a single run. I think he is even more lazy than lukaku and that is saying something.

Yup. Thought I'd get slaughtered for that comment since everyone loves Martial on here.
But the last 3-4 times I've seen him play, the guy puts in such minimal effort. Jumping casually for headers not even trying to win them, jogging around, rarely closing defenders down.
Has been pathetic to watch tbh.

 

[Falcow]

Yup. Thought I'd get slaughtered for that comment since everyone loves Martial on here.
But the last 3-4 times I've seen him play, the guy puts in such minimal effort. Jumping casually for headers not even trying to win them, jogging around, rarely closing defenders down.
Has been pathetic to watch tbh.

He's guilty of all of that especially today. I could see james getting frustrated with him at one point, what are others supposed to do with the ball when he wont make a run for you, it was so obvious this was the main problem today. I'd like to see his stats today in terms of km ran, sprints etc.

 

[Redbandito]

--------------?---------------

----------------?-------------

?--------?------Pogba-------?

?--------?--------?----------AWB

-------------DDG----------------

8 positions that I genuinely believe are in need of a first XI player. How much have we spent since we last won the league again?
Martial, Maguire, Shaw, Rashford, James are decent bench options I guess.

United can win a league with Maguire and James in the starting side. I think both are very good players. One of Rashford/Martial could be in the side as well. They just need to be surrounded by significantly better players. No way any team would perform with a midfield of Pereira, Fred and McTominay. I’ve never seen a trio of worse passers than these three. I have some hope that McTominay can improve. I’m completely done with the other two though.

 

[Redbandito]

Fred and James were good

What? Fred was good? Not even remotely. Fred and Pereira were probably the two worst players on the field today. McTominay gave them a run for their money as well.

 

[Atay]

To the Saudi takeover thread!

 

[OhGee]

A few comments on the match:
1. We looked a lot better when Pereira came off - he was atrocious today
2. As good as AWB is defensively he is limited in attack.
3. Brandon Williams should be a starter ahead of Young - hopefully he will get his chance now that Young is suspended for the next game.
4. Mctominay has heart but he is limited as a player - I haven’t seen the stats but he must have had the most misplaced passes in the game.
5. Lindelof was poor today - not sure if he has recovered from the knock on Wed but I would prefer Tuanzebe and Macguire as CB pairing.
6. Why the feck are we so poor at set pieces and corners - is this a coaching issue?
7. Ole needs to find a give Greenwood more minutes
8. Not sure what Ole’s infatuation is with the 4-2-3-1. We should be playing 4-3-3 as a default against most opponents.

 

[mav_9me]

Just realised it was a 6 pointer for us vs Bournemouth. Sigh.

 

[Baneofthegame]

Our season until at least January will basically be decided on whether we can score first.

We are absolutely atrocious when teams make us try to play through them.

 

[BusbyMalone]

Why, why, why go back to that awful 4231 formation. I know it's not as simple as change formation and everything is fine, but we look so much better with 3 at the back; we have a good shape, then.

 

[OLLY ORANGE]

As soon as we get a larger share of possession we come unstuck. Total lack of imagination, creativity or confidence to try and beat a man. Been like it for years and all recent managers have not addressed or attempted to strengthen in this area.
Perreira, mata and the charlatan lingard should not even be considered good enough as a creative option.
Will see an improvement when we are up against a better quality side as our counter attacking football will mask over the teams issues. Until then more of the same against teams who we'll feel we should roll over.

 

[DSG]

A few comments on the match:
1. We looked a lot better when Pereira came off - he was atrocious today
2. As good as AWB is defensively he is limited in attack.
3. Brandon Williams should be a starter ahead of Young - hopefully he will get his chance now that Young is suspended for the next game.
4. Mctominay has heart but he is limited as a player - I haven’t seen the stats but he must have had the most misplaced passes in the game.
5. Lindelof was poor today - not sure if he has recovered from the knock on Wed but I would prefer Tuanzebe and Macguire as CB pairing.
6. Why the feck are we so poor at set pieces and corners - is this a coaching issue?
7. Ole needs to find a give Greenwood more minutes
8. Not sure what Ole’s infatuation is with the 4-2-3-1. We should be playing 4-3-3 as a default against most opponents.

It’s just a depressing performance. I can honestly say I don’t think the effort was poor. We tried hard. What makes it depressing is that we just don’t have the quality. James misses the target in the first 10 minutes, Andreas the entire ball. AWB makes a mistake trying to nick the ball off of King, instead of getting goalside and not allowing him to turn and shoot. We looked so much better than Bournemouth in the opening 10 minutes. Jesus, losing 1-0 to a team that hadn’t scored in a month!

We can’t play a high line with Maguire and Lindelof. Not enough pace, and we are constantly exposed. I expect that when Tuanzebe comes back, he’ll get a long look as a pairing with Maguire.

Silver linings.... another game where Fred didn’t make a glaring mistake! Good ball distribution. Just need him to get better in front of goal.

DDG saved us many times today. It easily could have been 3-0.

 

[drunkmonkmeth]

Watching liverpools game today made it even more painful.. theyre down and you just know theyre gonna grab 2 goals late on and win it.. you see xity down a goal and you know still theyre gonna win.

Watching united you know a defensive error is gonna lead to a goal and we are going to do absolutely nothing going forward.. liverpool play how we use to play.. and that feeling we use to have that we could win with 10 seconds left is now what they have. What stings more is that we went in for klopp as well and he rejected us because we arent a football club with football people.. its a business with business men Its a fecking disgrace this club.

 

[NewGlory]

Both City and Liverpool were down 1:0, first half, but both managed to level and win eventually. We have no spine. It's absolutely painful to watch the United of today.

 

[Zahed]

We haven't played 433 in months. Recent games have been 5, or 4 at the back and 2 holding mids leaving very few bodies to actually make any positive moves forward. Why have we paid £130 million for defensive reinforcements to then continue with 2 holding mids? It's a let's not lose mentality.

 

[Dick Dastardly]

I’ve watched Wrexham for the last few decades. Truly shocking at the moment but they could probably give MUFC a decent game on today’s performance.

 

[Im red2]

The whole situation is depressing. The one that really needs replacing is Woodward, and that guy is untouchable.

He will be first out if the Saudis come in.

 

[tony54]

I have also played football, though as I said not at a professional level.
But I can not fathom that a player that has played football for ~15 years will just turn to absolute trash because he's being told to pass the ball over the top rather than play quick passes and triangles? At the end of the day the players are the ones on the pitch carrying the responsibility and placing all the blame on the manager when the squad is ridiculously far from challenging is silly - anyway I thought Phelan was the one in charge of the training sessions and he seemed to do well enough when he coached Fergie's teams?

I just think too many of our squad are not coachable. The way we play crab football and don't attack and defend as a pack is undefendable. It's all just pathetic and it's all to easy to blame the whole set up at United, players , coaches and executives.

 

[Joseunited]

A few comments on the match:
1. We looked a lot better when Pereira came off - he was atrocious today
2. As good as AWB is defensively he is limited in attack.
3. Brandon Williams should be a starter ahead of Young - hopefully he will get his chance now that Young is suspended for the next game.
4. Mctominay has heart but he is limited as a player - I haven’t seen the stats but he must have had the most misplaced passes in the game.
5. Lindelof was poor today - not sure if he has recovered from the knock on Wed but I would prefer Tuanzebe and Macguire as CB pairing.
6. Why the feck are we so poor at set pieces and corners - is this a coaching issue?
7. Ole needs to find a give Greenwood more minutes
8. Not sure what Ole’s infatuation is with the 4-2-3-1. We should be playing 4-3-3 as a default against most opponents.

He wont learn will he, Liverpool and City play 433 and where are they in the league?

 

[Red00012]

Weird narrative. What he offered wasn't great, but he offered a million times more than AWB did in an attacking sense.

You should know the drill by now . It’s easier to blame Young

 

[Dante]

Lindelof is a weak link that keeps getting targetted by attackers for an easy out ball; AWB is prone to lapses in concentration in the box; Fred lacks good enough pass selection; McTominay lacks good enough creativity; Pereira lacks good enough pass selection and good enough creativity.

Those were the 5 players who were most at fault today.

I think AWB will be fine with a more commanding RCB beside him in the long run. McTominay is an asset to the team if he has two creative players to help him in midfield. Ideally, Lindelof, Fred and Pereira will end up squad players behind the right replacements.

I think the RCB we're looking for might already be at the club in the form of Tuanzebe. But we desperately need two commited playmakers in midfield to help McTominay (who is certainly good enough to do the kind of dirty work that every team needs). If Pogba is willing to do that, then great. If Gomes can mature into that role, even better. But reinforcements are definitely required in the coming windows.

We didn't deserve to lose that match. I thought we were the better team overall. We're just carrying too many squad level players in the first team. It means we keep losing matches based on individual errors, despite often being the better team overall. We're too easy to pin back because our midfield can't hold possession securely enough. It's a relatively easy fix, imo, albeit a glaring weakness in the short term.

 

[Canagel]

Too much averagness and mediocreness around. Everywhere you look you see mediocrity, on the field, on the bench. Not one single man capable of dissecting the defence and creating something in open play ,how sad.

All those fans that were getting carried away because we beat the worst team in the league and smash and grabbed in the midweek looking quite stupid now. Just rely on penalties is our new tactic.

 

[No eye dear]

All players are coachable, it's getting the right coaches

 

[VeevaVee]

How can we not take a corner? It is one of the basics of football. Why can't we take a good throw in?

It's genuinely astounding. Yet another part of my theory about footballers not being as good with a football as many think they are.

 

[Red00012]

All players are coachable, it's getting the right coaches

I find it difficult you can coach Fred, Pereira and Lingard to improve. They are what they are