At this rate it would be an improvement.
Saudi Takeover - Claim deal done
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Dwayne, I beg your forgiveness.
But we spend money, in 2019 we spent 602m out of 627m on our operating expenses, that money is mainly spent on wages(+300m), registration acquisition(178m) and then others which is all the cost of maintaining the clubs real estate and paying third parties for security, cleaning and the thousands of people paid for specific missions(+100m).
People need to keep in mind that the net spend isn't what the club actually spent on players registrations, it's what the club added to what they are already supposed to pay.
No, even at the time it was surprisingly low. People were expecting a world-record transfer fee. He certainly had the profile to demand one. In the 60-70 million range. 25 would be closer to 45-50 nowadays.
Shall we compare which government has killed more innocent Arab civilians over the years?
So it’s not that you mind bad people owning the club. Got it.
Definitely the US govt but the Glazers are not the US govt. They might be thrifty sucking parasites but you cannot compare their crimes with those of the Saudi government - who is interested to in buying the club
It’s mostly halal burgers served all over the forecourt these days so shouldn’t be too much more of an adjustment for most. Though I do fear for Fred the Red.
Massively agreed here. In no way should religion be the foundations in which a government should be run, not in 2019. Religion is a personal truth, not an objective truth, and should never be treated as such. Government should be run on, objective, proven truths only, and any state or country ran with religious under currents as their main foundation will forever live in the past.
Read the post I responded to again. It was in reference to comparing governments. All in all in the U.S killing innocent Arab civilians is negotiable, which makes the outrage over this utterly comical. Not sure how it is in England.
That post was about a poster mixing trump and the US government.
No history of unabated slaughter in Christianity and Judaism?
How do your posts make any sense given that the poster you quoted was pointing out how ridiculous it is to compare being owned by the Saudi royal family to being owned by the US government?
We're being linked to the Saudi royal family, not the US government. A few posters have tried to equate being owned by American citizens with being owned by the US government and have also been called out for their stupidity.
I think one upside that can be seen from this, and not a football view point. Owning United would put the state under even more scrutiny, see across the city.
If people could possibly see this as a country, that is stuck in times that need to change, and possibly want to change, then this could be seen as a step in that direction. I would never wipe sins away from people, but every government and nation has had to go through massive upheavals in what was the society they lived in. See America, 60 years ago, racism was so bad still, that they would have public, government supported, lynchings......60 years ago. Britain, not too long ago, had it's own racist believes built into the core, that had to be stripped away.
Maybe the country, and parts of the government see this as a way of bettering their nation? I imagine the population of Saudi would love this to happen, as the love for United their is phenomenal, and maybe, the population see this as a step to opening up to the rest of the world, as Dubai, UAE and others have recently.
Yes, what’s your point? Islamic states that have brutal laws based on Islam are ok because others have done it? It’s just in the current period Islam is a problem globally. Doesn’t mean other religions haven’t done shit in the past.
I pretty much said that there are different degrees of 'bad'. In sum, I do want the glazers out but I'm not exactly keen on the Saudi takeover for reasons stated.
I predicted Spain for 2008-10-12, Germany for 2014 and France for 2018.
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How tainted Man Cit and Chelsea now?
Why do you find one more objectionable than the next? I also don’t understand why a murderous government that does its killing overseas and lies to its citizens about the reason while sending its own young men and women to their death, is morally superior to a murderous theocratic regime.
Lets be clear about something, everyone knows what Saudia Arabia are up to, it's not a secret and they are protected by the security council who doesn't give a damn about Manchester United. We are not talking about the micro states that are Qatar and UAE who couldn't be put on the map and were for the most part mixed with other Arab nations or flat out mixed with Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia don't need a new image among the populace, they have enough money to annually attract the most important people in the world which is why we annually hear about that rumor, as long as the security council members have good use of their oil, SA are immune to everything. If the Sauds decide to buy the club, it will be a vanity purchase with only goal to show UAE and Qatar who is daddy.
It’s not ridiculous to compare if your issue with the Saudi government is its murderous ways. Our government (no matter the president mind you) puts them to shame.
Fred will have additional duties of flogging any player who scores less than 6/10 on the Redcafe player rating polls.
This point I’ll concede. Our current owners do not give a feck about competing with the UAE owned club.
It has nothing to do with the thread unless the the US government has been linked to buying United.
I wouldn't want the US government to own United either.
I can see where you are coming from, and yes, there will be a taint, because I can guarantee you, not everybody will be 100% happy with this takeover. I see it like this, I love my country, and If some corrupt official became PM, I wouldnt turn my back on the place I was raised and love, id fight its corner and continue to love what I love about it. Obviously, wildly different circumstances, but my point would still hold the same, my love for United runs deeper than ownership. I mean, it's not like we are avidly seeking this takeover, we dont have a choice in the matter, which sucks.
But to continue with you question, yes tainted, but not illigitamte, we earn far too much money that this take over will make much difference to that, my main concern is wanting a owner that wants what's best for my club. I am tired of seeing cracks, mould and outdatedness all over the stadium I was in awe of as a child, and thought of as a masterpiece.
Are they though? Or do you just pretend they are so that it makes you feel better?
End of the day history books say they won their trophies and they are in black and white just as much as ours are.
I think thats fair. Pogba is really up the creek
I feel for you. I mean it's such a pesky irritation, when the reality of the world doesn't fit so neatly into your own strategically compartmentalised view of the world, hey?
They can't compete with a state, they couldn't even compete with the cheikh himself. Our current owners do not have the cash to do something like, it's important to remember that when people read about billionaires worth, most of it is attached to assets, it's often not even that liquid and in the case of the Glazers it's not liquid at all since most of their wealth was/is in commercial real estate, they are not selling buildings that create money to lose it on a football club and most billionaire wouldn't.
If they bought us, we're their contest puppies, not champion of changes.
We're just a fooball club, not some mythical holyland
World record fee for Beckham really?
Our recollections of that time are very different mate. I certainly don't remember any talk of a world record transfer at the time. The highest fee i remember Beckham linked to was around £35m to Lazio i think in 2002.
The world record at that time was £49m in 2001, that was only broke by Kaka's £50m transfer to Real in 2009. So sure as shit no one was paying fecking £70m for a 28-29 year old Beckham in 2003. Where are you getting these estimates from mate?
As stated the record at the time was £49m so £25m was around half, today the world record is £200m so £100m is around which is probably what Beckham would go for today. Especially in a transfer market where the likes of Lukaku goes for £70-80m and Coutiniho goes for £120m.
I'll leave it there though as i'm going off topic again.
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They could, with the money spent have done this, easily, but they just don't give a feck about putting the right structure in place to achieve this, that is the biggest mystery of all, so we're left wanting a change of ownership, when all we need is a change of approach.
If the Saudis come in and get the best DOF and structure in place they can, do proper due diligence and get the best manager and coaches they can, and spend just what the club earns, then we'll blow teams away, we don't need their money at all, just someone to shake the club from its slumber.
In the modern world I don’t think there is any argument about the biggest religious threat to liberty. It’s Islam surely?
Western governments aren’t perfect but their values are based on democracy and liberty. Islamic values are not.
I'd ask you to look at the influence and positivity United has spread around the globe in the years it has been established, then get back to me on that. May be laughable for some, but a football club means more than entertainment purposes to some people.
I know you are a better man than to just look the other way for better football results here, Sults.Dwayne, I beg your forgiveness.
From Nov 2018
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...all-news/man-utd-glazer-saudi-arabia-15418113
This rumour comes up every November based on an annual meeting we seem to have with them.
Last year's was more credible and nothing came of it. Although I have no doubts if the glazers sell it would be to them
The Saudis couldn't care less about what's best for the club, cleaning their image and getting one over on the UAE is their only motivation. The stadium falling apart is way down the list of priorities just as it has been for the Glazers.
No.
The reasons I am in opposition to Saudi ownership are on display in this thread already (read up)
The history books can say whatever they like. I do not acknowledge a single trophy City have won since they were brought out. I will feel the exact same way if/when United get brought by the Saudis. Quote me if you like.
I think the Glazers selling the club is closer than we think. If our football continues to decline, and by all accounts at this time it will, then the financial success the Glazers have enjoyed will also decline. That is when they will either restructure the football side of the business to be successful again or they will cash out.
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