Since when do we have a sarcastic LongLiveOle response bot?
Does it trigger when 'LvG' is typed?
Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)
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Since when do we have a sarcastic LongLiveOle response bot?
Does it trigger when 'LvG' is typed?
oh no bad mood. Jeez you lot are pathetic & can’t take criticism of Ole. He’s not the best man for the job, we can do much much better.
Sorry if this honest assessment isn’t good for your mood
Do you think Ole is a better manager than LVG? Why are the fans giving Ole leeway & yet LVG was hounded out after a few draws?Since when do we have a sarcastic LongLiveOle response bot?
Does it trigger when 'LvG' is typed?
We’re not a big club anymore with this attitude- look at Leicester doing so well with a decent manager yet most of you would probably keep Ole right?
Shows how backward & illogical our fan base can be. We deserve a mid table garbage season
Man, I don't really have an opinion on the managerial case.
Just thought I'd crack a joke.
Relax man
Yup, I totally agree with that, he's definitely not very good at getting results.
The consensus over the last few years, myself included is enough of trying to get results from a crappy squad. We tried that with pragmatic managers. Its dull its boring and its just passing sideways.
I like what Ole is doing, but its so obvious its unfinished. let him finish, then if he still cant get results, we can bring in a Rose/Nagelsman type of coach. The squad that we are assembling, seems perfect for one of those new school type of coaches.
As I said in my post above... keep..... for now
I think that’s why we’re rebuilding. We have to be patient and alow expectations and standards to be rebuilt alongside the team.
I for one believe Ole is on the right track...
Does anyone know when exactly Ole's contract runs down? He did sign a 3-year deal last season, but does it actually run for 3 years, or is it more like 3 seasons, the last one included?
The funny thing is that Ole has done so badly that scraping mediocrity is now seen as doing well!
Such an awful appointment for so many reasons.
The combination of wildly over-sentimental fanbase, coupled with well-loved ex player who's a Championship level manager at best is, ironically, far more 'toxic' for the club than the dramas of Mourinho could ever hope to be!
Dream ticket for Woodward and the Glazers.
Such an awful appointment for so many reasons.
The combination of wildly over-sentimental fanbase, coupled with well-loved ex player who's a Championship level manager at best is, ironically, far more 'toxic' for the club than the dramas of Mourinho could ever hope to be!
Dream ticket for Woodward and the Glazers.
Mourinho lost the dressing room though and we would have been like Chelsea in his last year there, maybe even worse as they had a better squad, full of PL winners.
Oh, he deserved to be sacked!
Trouble is - Ole should've been sacked about 3 times now...
That's what I mean by 'lowering of standards'.
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I'll be honest, after the Newcastle game, I thought Ole was 2 losses away from getting a deserved sack. That match against Bournemouth was very disappointing though, but we still look like gaining momentum right now. Consistency is the key and with Pogba back, I hope that we continue performing well.
Ole really is a conundrum for me. Do I think him and his coaching staff will win us the premier league? No, I don't. Do I think Ole at this moment in time is right for the club? Yes I do.
After all the toxicity after Mou left the club it finally looks like his tenure has been wiped clean, forgotten about which was probably the hardest part when Ole first came in. There was no togetherness now it looks like the squad are prepared to fight for him. If there's no team spirit there's nothing no matter how good or bad the players are.
Of course it could all turn to shit in the next 5 games but as long as I see the players giving their all and fighting for each other as a unit then I wouldn't have a problem giving Ole till the end of the season then we could bring in a manager with more tactical nous than Ole to push us on even further. Whoever that manager is will at least have the basis of something to work with instead of starting from the ground up which was something Ole had to do when he took over a broken squad.
After all the toxicity after Mou left the club it finally looks like his tenure has been wiped clean, forgotten about which was probably the hardest part when Ole first came in. There was no togetherness now it looks like the squad are prepared to fight for him. If there's no team spirit there's nothing no matter how good or bad the players are.
Of course it could all turn to shit in the next 5 games but as long as I see the players giving their all and fighting for each other as a unit then I wouldn't have a problem giving Ole till the end of the season then we could bring in a manager with more tactical nous than Ole to push us on even further. Whoever that manager is will at least have the basis of something to work with instead of starting from the ground up which was something Ole had to do when he took over a broken squad.
Three full seasons, starting in the summer 2019 and ending after the completion of the 2021/2022 season. Otherwise, it would have been reported as a 2 1/2 years contract.
I don't get why the poll is 50/50.
The fans on here are so fickle wanting managers to come and go every year. They should at least let him have a full season then make an assessment.
So what if we finish 10th. Its the same as 5th or even 2nd in my opinion. We don't want to become Arsenal and Spurs and count top 4 as job done year in year out.
We build a squad over a couple of years to win a title if it doesn't work we move on.
The fans on here are so fickle wanting managers to come and go every year. They should at least let him have a full season then make an assessment.
So what if we finish 10th. Its the same as 5th or even 2nd in my opinion. We don't want to become Arsenal and Spurs and count top 4 as job done year in year out.
We build a squad over a couple of years to win a title if it doesn't work we move on.
You telling me Ole Gunner Solskjær is going to manage a title winning team?
To be honest mate I get the impression that some people may have made up their mind and that's it, no matter what happens they will want him out ASAP.
I can understand that many fans still are unsure whether Ole is the right man, but I find it absolutely bizarre that some are so vehemently against giving him more time and can't just enjoy the fact that we have looked much better in the past few weeks
Ole should have been sacked but obviously he wasn't so I will support him even though I don't agree with the decision to make him permanent and keep him after a disastrous start. Like we have seen with Van Gaal, Jose and Moyes will get a few good results and even think we have turned a corner but very soon reality will come back to confront us.
I know we are rebuilding, I know it takes time but even then performances like the one we had against Brighton should be more often, note I said performances not necessarily the result. I think deep down most know that Ole is not good enough to win us the title so what if the guy we think is good enough to do so comes in and says he disagrees fundamentally with the rebuilding job done by Ole? Do we rip it up and start again then endure the process again or do we tell the new guy to suck it up and risk another manager in meltdown?
I know we are rebuilding, I know it takes time but even then performances like the one we had against Brighton should be more often, note I said performances not necessarily the result. I think deep down most know that Ole is not good enough to win us the title so what if the guy we think is good enough to do so comes in and says he disagrees fundamentally with the rebuilding job done by Ole? Do we rip it up and start again then endure the process again or do we tell the new guy to suck it up and risk another manager in meltdown?
You teling me any other managers could turn the current crop of players into a title winning team ?
So it's basically almost a 3 and a half year deal. I would have preferred to be only 2 and his reported salary was way too high for my liking, but we know that people upstairs are totally incompetent.
If we for one second ignore OGS qualities and look at the rebuilding - I Think everyone more or less can agree that we are heading in the right direction. And as long as we are heading in the right direction, why sack OGS ?
One of 2 things will happen:
1) He is good enough and takes us towards the top
2) He is not good enough and gets fired - leaving behind him a talented group of players, with more or less all the deadwood gone. With more or less all the talented players with new contracts.
Either way I don't see a huge problem keeper him him for a while longer.
Now I can see a club most managers would love to take over because of the huge potential - 1 year ago this club was a big chaos. There is a huge difference.
Answering a question with a question. Smart guy. The statement said give him time to build a title squad. So you can answer my question instead.
He did in Norway. Of course the PL is a different level, but you compete at the level of your surroundings. Even Klopp wouldn't be able to finish higher than first with Molde.
No one wants us to end up like Arsenal and Spurs, celebrating CL qualification and the occasional domestic Cup every once in a while. But it's not the same.
Football is still a result-based industry. Even in this age of post-modernism, when opinions seem to be more important than facts, there has to be some point where you draw the line. Solskjaer had 6 whole months to assess the squad. The players who left, they were shipped because it was his decision (even in Herrera's case, it was clear as day that he favoured McT for the role next to Pogba). We're all happy with the players who joined. It was also his decision to trust the academy players instead of opting for stop-gap solutions until "the right player becomes available" (his own words). I'm not trying to remove Woodward from the bigger picture, but let's just not pretend that Solskjaer some kind of a sacrificial lamb. Otherwise, it's not his rebuild but Woodward's. And we know that's not the case.
Now, on a theoretical level, one can argue there's nothing wrong with Solskjaer's decisions over the last 10 months or so: Some of the deadwood is gone, the new players are doing well, we've seen academy players being more involved. Furthermore, Maguire-Lindelof looks like a modern CB partnership, McTominay has risen to prominence under his guidance and Tony/Rashy seem to have finally started developing good chemistry between them. But, despite all of that, the results on the pitch have worsened. We have won 4/12 league games (without having played any of the top-six, including Leicester, away from home), there were games in which we barely registered a decent shot on target and we have been outwitted on the pitch by managers who nobody rates highly and teams that are clearly less talented than ours.
If we are going to be fair (leave aside those who resort to insults or use colourful adjectives to describe someone who has scored nearly 200 goals for us), most of the people who voted "sack" were screaming last summer that the squad was in dire need of strengthening. It wasn't them who were claiming that the kids would suffice. And it was Solskjaer who told the former to shut up. Now, we're talking about the next 3,4,5 transfer windows and the poor state of the squad is used as an excuse for Solskjaer... Something doesn't seem to add up here.
So, my question is: What if the right players don't become available next summer too? What if we can't convince them of a better future with us when all they will see is an unproven manager trying to steer a midtable club? What if the best English talent chooses Liverpool, City or even Lampard's Chelsea? What course of action will we take then? What if a huge salary is our best way to attract the players we want? Will Solskjaer be able to man-manage these, if he deems their quality necessary? Or will he keep waiting until the next Class of '92 emerges from the ranks?
We need to start winning football matches, we must show as a club that it bothers us to be in our current state. We must have targets to reach. And we must be very careful with what message we are trying to send. Why did Bayern Munich sack Kovacs? He could still win them the double, after all. It's to make the point that these type of performances are not acceptable. The United way and all that is attached to it is something that Solskjaer (and the board) can sell to us. The rest of the world, future targets included, simply doesn't give two fecks. They look at the table and the performances. And they'll probably tell you: "Thanks for the offer but i prefer the Pep or the Klopp way".
Solskjaer's best period at United was when he was managing a squad he himself didn't think was good enough. At the start of his rebuilding job, results haven't got better. You can choose to be more patient because you like his general approach. But if we finish 10th, his first season will be a failure. You may still believe that at the end of his contract things will be much better but that's not a fact, it's your opinion. And some others will still be of the opinion that things won't improve in the near future. But United finishing 10th and without something to show for in the EL is bad, no matter how you try to spin it.
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It's still an improvement after Moyes' legendary 6-year deal. For longevity purposes, they had claimed... But yeah, i agree with you. Two full-seasons would have been perfect.
Just seen a table of first half results this season and United are on 25 points second to Liverpool also on 25. For second half results United are second from bottom. Just shows that United run out of energy in the second half's of matches. Although the Brighton performance was slightly different as they seemed to up their game after Brighton scored. Turning the corner maybe?
Crazy you really believe this. If Ole wins the premier league it would probably be the worse winners since Leicester.
I think a lot of people don't fully appreciate the status of our club. I'm sure there are no players that when approached by Manchester United would think "Not sure about that. They're a mid table club". If we finish below Wolves and Everton we're not suddenly going to find players opting to go to Molineux instead of Old Trafford.
It may sound arrogant to say but we're still the most popular club in the world. When Liverpool were struggling they were still able to attract the likes of Suarez and Torres. I'm struggling to think of times when we've been rejected for other clubs (maybe Real Madrid and Barcelona are the exceptions).
Imagine if Barcelona had a few dodgy seasons and were in a rebuilding stage and finished outside of the champions league spots. I guarantee that players wouldn't think "not sure they're the club to further my career".
For what it's worth I don't think that we want to buy any big names anyway. It's never worked for us in the past. Even the 08 team only really had Ferdinand and Rooney that were big red letter signings.
It may sound arrogant to say but we're still the most popular club in the world. When Liverpool were struggling they were still able to attract the likes of Suarez and Torres. I'm struggling to think of times when we've been rejected for other clubs (maybe Real Madrid and Barcelona are the exceptions).
Imagine if Barcelona had a few dodgy seasons and were in a rebuilding stage and finished outside of the champions league spots. I guarantee that players wouldn't think "not sure they're the club to further my career".
For what it's worth I don't think that we want to buy any big names anyway. It's never worked for us in the past. Even the 08 team only really had Ferdinand and Rooney that were big red letter signings.
Jesus fecking Christ.
So his level of his current surroundings (the Premier League) is getting relegated with a shit team and finishing 6th with a mediocre team? Awesome.
I shouldn't really be bothered as I have frequently said what I think about it.
I think he is one of the best managers in our current position - if he is good enough to win the League, I don't know. That is of course an impossible question to answer. But I am convinced he is doing the right thing - and by doing the right thing we are moving in the right direction. Then there is always a risk that he isn't good enough to take us all the way. But he will take this club a lot closer to the top than when we were when he took over, and he will have made the remaining road a lot easier for whoever takes over after him (if he is sacked)
This is the most redundant point ever made on Sad Cafe.
Fair enough but I truly believe you are telling me he’s not good enough. Just backing your opinion in saying ‘you don’t know’. I’m not going to press it thought. You gave a fair point.
It's a strange combination. Doing that well in the first half suggests we have been tactically well prepared for every game. Why are we doing so much worse in the second half? Perhaps there is some truth to the concern over his ingame management.
A manager who finishes 10th, instils no style of play, is not going to win the league in a couple of years..
Corner was turned in our first match after beating PSG.
What this poll shows is that between 0.1-1% are fickle as feck and their opinions as to whether he needs to stay or get sacked change every game or two.
The remaining 99% thus far are not really influenced by 1-3 games, which is good. Because whatever you think it should not be based on a few matches.
The remaining 99% thus far are not really influenced by 1-3 games, which is good. Because whatever you think it should not be based on a few matches.
Interesting and surprising (to me anyway).
Might be that we're winning games and if by only one goal, we get too negative, sit, invite teams to basically attack us (and we haven't got a good enough team/defence to do that for 20-30 minutes).
I do think if we get a second (2 goal lead), we're in a much better place as set for counter attacking.
There’s a lot of redundantness going on on this forum, so to be performing in the top makes me proud.
Was responding to a comment on whether Ole could manage a title winning team..Well he has. I had a neat point to make, but I see that it’s lost in translation. Re-reading my post, I don’t even get it
But I can assure you, it was pretty darn clever
I do believe he will surprise people. But of course I cant be certain. No-one can
Well said.
I think he will make it until end of the season now, little spells of good results will see him through. Top 4 is gone already and start was so bad if he finishes 6th it will somehow be seen as a positive.
You can be a fairly average team and finish 4th, am sure we will bring in 3 players over the summer so it’s not unrealistic that will be enough to improve us enough to get all in the top 4.
This club lacks ambition and has now set a low bar for what qualifies as acceptable. As long as the net spend is controlled, club makes money and gets in Champions League every other year I think the manager, CEO and owners will all be happy.
I don’t think anything special or disastrous is happening with Ed and Ole’s plan, the biggest change is expectations have lowered so much.
You can be a fairly average team and finish 4th, am sure we will bring in 3 players over the summer so it’s not unrealistic that will be enough to improve us enough to get all in the top 4.
This club lacks ambition and has now set a low bar for what qualifies as acceptable. As long as the net spend is controlled, club makes money and gets in Champions League every other year I think the manager, CEO and owners will all be happy.
I don’t think anything special or disastrous is happening with Ed and Ole’s plan, the biggest change is expectations have lowered so much.
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