I’ve said it before Jippy. There’s one red line of mine Labour (McDonnell) have discussed crossing and it’s enough (selfishly maybe) to ensure I can’t vote for them. Their plans for IHT and landlords. Sorry, that’s the reality and I’m not alone.
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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What? Do you actually think I have no empathy for the situations of other people sweet square? If so, you are wrong. That doesn’t mean I don’t want to look after my children and provide for them as best I can in life and on my death.
You pay lip service to it, which makes it even worse. You actually know how much you are fecking over disabled people but don't care so you and your own can get a few extra £££.
You have scored a direct hit with this one!
I live in a rock solid Labour Constituency but where there are now plenty of Labour voters that I know who, Brexit notwithstanding, don't want Jeremy Corbyn anywhere near becoming PM of this country and they would lend their vote, (in a normal times GE) probably to the Lib-Dems, as voting Tory would be unthinkable for most of them.
However with Brexit on the cards, and most of these Labour (but not all) voters also Leavers, they are thinking the unthinkable and if the Brexit Party withdraws, will vote Tory, albeit holding their noses. The Labour vote however has been so strong for years now that it would take, all the Tories to pitch in with the majority of Labour leavers to vote for the TBP candidate, in order to stand a chance of ousting Labour.
However, if this seat were to swing away from Labour enough to cause them to lose, then it would be followed by earthquakes, plagues of frogs, and the appearance of the four Riders of the Apocalypse.
I see this sentiment echoed frequently but not sure why. What is it about the alternative that terrifies you exactly? Because to me the most frightening prospect is the doubling down of the status quo with a right wing government chasing a hard brexit and seeking a systematic breakdown of key public institutions.
Fortunately I had no interest at all in British politics so was blissfully unaware of what was happening in the UK for the ten years leading up to 2016.
I am intrigued now by the costings of how both major parties are going to spend, spend, spend just as they are about to enter the most difficult period in the UK in the past 50 years.
I think the idea is that the deficit is now under control and there are cheap loans available. For the Tories, austerity is not something they can sell anymore. One of May's big failings when she lost he majority was that she was offering nothing to the electorate in terms of spending. Both parties will hope that stimulus and investment in infrastructure along with investment in public services will boost the economy.
Wow, how far off the mark are you?
Firstly shamwow, I’m not and never have fecked anyone off, let alone the disabled, what a pathetic sentence.
And you refer to ‘my own’. What do you know about who or what ‘my own’ is. Do you think I’m rich?
I lost my parents last year and inherited their house which I now rent out. I work very hard and earn literally the national average wage and because of my rental income, and for the first time in my life, I can afford things and not be in my overdraft every month.
I am divorced and have two kids who live with me 50% of the time and my dream is to be in a position to leave them a (very modest) house each on my death. That’s it. I’m not dreaming of having billions in the bank or ‘fecking over’ the disabled as you put it.
I was born and raised in a labour household and have largely voted labour my whole adult life. I would happily pay more tax to fund better social support and I still feel aligned more with labour than Tory.
But I am also a centrist at heart and believe in aspiration and wealth creation and I don’t feel the current state of the Labour Party reflect where I’m at in life.
They have discussed directly their proposals / plans for a very important area of my life and if their plans came into place it would have a very negative impact on me.
It’s one thing trying to get billionaires to pay more tax but quite another to sling a death tax lasso around totally normal people like me and I bet a lot of people on this forum will be affected by Labours plans. If that’s ok with you then fine, good on you.
You can call me selfish if you want but you’re wrong. Like i said, I won’t be alone in this.
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Er, i think you mean keep.
You make it sound like it is a sin against humanity to want to get on and provide for your family. What next? Anyone that owns their home is categorised as stinking rich bourgeoisie? It's not the fault of the ordinary working person just trying to make a bit extra. In fact the revenue is collecting more taxes from buy-to-let landlords than ever before. Pretty much killed it off for most modest investors. What government does with those taxes is down to them.
McDonnell as chancellor would be a disaster I'm sure. No fear of it happening though either.
Tories another level though and pure counts who avowedly want to 'put down' the poor.
I'm torn on who to vote for. My wife is voting LibDem -voted Labour on a local rather than party basis last two times.
Christ, don't know where to start with you and this post. 'Truly terrifying' - Get a grip!
I can't figure you out. Do you have some sort of health condition I'm unaware of that might explain some of your views? You're stubbornly clinging to an opinion on Labour's position on inheritance and wanting to pass stuff on to your kids like you're about to croak it and like it's the deciding factor for you in this election. But... you posted in the Call Of Duty thread that you've had kids since the release of MW2, so I can reasonably put some numbers together about your age and theirs, hence my confusion.
The goal posts will be moved on IHT a number of times in your life time, so why have you chosen to plant your flag in the ground there? It sounds like you're the one with some unshakeable ideology to me. Why am I getting the vibes of "I voted remain but..."?
I’m not explaining in detail again matey, just done it.
I’m not chasing a hard Brexit either, I actually prefer Labours policy on Brexit but there’s more to this election than Brexit.
IHT only starts at 650k from a couple, and if you have more than that you can gift quite a bit away beforehand. More than enough for a two modest houses, unless you live in London itself. If you do live in London then I admit I'm out of my depth, the cost of houses versus wages there is beyond my comprehension I'm afraid, I'd have to live it to understand it.
because that’s what you’re choosing to do.
Mate you're talking about getting 2 houses when disabled people are literally dying so you don't have to pay as much tax. Get some fecking perspective, of course that's selfish.
Your larger post goes some way to explaining your position, but if you're going to stick by better IHT rules for life now that you own that property, you'll always lean Tory. I bet in a few years you'll subconsciously lean further and further away from Labour purely because of this point alone as well.
except for mcdonald has proposed applying income tax rates to anything abouve a 150k lifetime tax free allowance
so now your 650k house / houses has to be sold within I believe 3 months as it comes with a tax bill - presumably labour will reintroduce the 50p higher tax rate so lets say something like £250k tax bill ... and if you dont sell the house in that period the government takes it - auctions it - keeps their 250k and gives your kids whats left over (if there is anything).
a pretty dramatic - and i suspect unpopular change as the vast majority of houses in the Uk are worth over 150k
Of course the net result will be those just over the 150 will be hit the hardest and those with multiple properties will have them owned by trust funds or set up an off shore holding company
but yeah if you die and have a £250k house (around average house price) might well find £40k of that going to the government instead of your kids which seems a bit unfair imo as the house has been brought with money you have already paid tax on
As happened many times before following a GE, none of the parties will be able to spend as they suggest, whether Brexit goes through or not. The reason being as Harold Macmillan was reputed to have said when asked why he hadn't followed through on his promises.... "Events dear boy, events". This GE more than any other, is about a 'naked power grab' and the UK as an entity is front and centre. The idea of the consent of the losers has now been consigned to UK political history any Government with an overall majority and a strict and deadly whipping system will be able to push through almost any legislation it wants, any resistance from the Lords will see them reconstituted in the blink of an eye, what did Tony Benn once call for the creation of a thousand Peers overnight to vote the house out of existence.
The battle as many people believe will carry on whatever happens and it wont be about Brexit or our relations with the EU, it will be internally about our (unwritten) Constitution now going down the toilet and about what replaces it and whether there will be a UK by the time of the next GE.
Brexit has been (or will be) a watershed for the continued governance of these islands, its not over yet and the fat lady is not even warming up for her final performance. The ludicrous promises now being offered, by all parties is just the warning signal, not that anyone at the moment is in the mood to take notice.
Tory people just knocked on my door.
I won't be voting for them, I just wish I knew enough going on to school him... Oh well
I won't be voting for them, I just wish I knew enough going on to school him... Oh well
I understand your sentiment but, other than some vague waffle from McDonnell, and given no manifesto has actually been produced are your fears regarding IHT founded on fact?
What is fact is that Tories are ideologically opposed, as demonstrated by the last decade, to the welfare system you like.
this with bells on
I mean do it if you want but don't pretend that your care about the suffering of disabled people if you do.
I'm only commenting as it is now. I await McDonell's actual manifesto with interest sun, I'm expecting it to be so hilariously awful it will read like a demented suicide note, but who knows, I might be totally wrong and it might all add up and be nicely convincing. We'll see when it comes
there are no perfect choices in politics now fingeredmouse
i look forward to the manifestos tooI'm only commenting as it is now. I await McDonell's actual manifesto with interest sun, I'm expecting it to be so hilariously awful it will read like a demented suicide note, but who knows, I might be totally wrong and it might all add up and be nicely convincing. We'll see when it comes
is it due later this week?...I'm only commenting as it is now. I await McDonell's actual manifesto with interest sun, I'm expecting it to be so hilariously awful it will read like a demented suicide note, but who knows, I might be totally wrong and it might all add up and be nicely convincing. We'll see when it comes
i think the 1st debate is on 19th - it would seem strange to have that without manifestos
Indeed not, and there never have been. It seems to me that your understandable fears regarding what you bequeath to your children do not seem to be based on any actual policy (although who knows) but your understandable fears regarding Tory social policy and Brexit are founded on fact.
Actual widespread suffering now is less important than the vague concern that his 2 kids might not own their own houses without having to put some effort in.
Labour intend to publish next week. Last I saw Tories were publishing as late as possible (2 weeks from election was the last estimate I saw).
Oh and sorry...unicorns.
I think the 1st draft of Labours (or at least the brexit policy) has already been leaked
link below
Must admit I thought conservative and labour had said they would publish later this week but I cant find any firm dates from either side
Out of interest, do you give every single penny you do not directly need to live on to the poor/disabled?
No, ideally labour will realise this plan will alienate a lot of semi aspirational labour voters who want to leave their children their homes and reel the plans back. They’re unpopular and always have been. A lot of labour voters nowadays are too young to understand the strong desire to see your kids right as you get older.
And I’m not leaning further and further away from labour, they are the ones doing the leaning away from me. They are a long way from the Tony Blair years and if only David Milliband had got the leadership over his useless brother.
I love the sneering passive aggression in your post but you’re so wrong.
I have a lot of empathy for those who are suffering but it is also possible to want to provide for your children at the same time. Empathy for others and provision for your own aren’t exclusive of each other.
This isn't an argument Colin. You already know the answer, stop being disengenuous to help yourself feel less bad about voting Tory and fecking over the disabled.
Anyway I'm disabled myself so the answer is yes. The conservative party and their voters are fecking terrifying to me and my disabilities are pretty minor in the great scheme of things.
You aren't doing both at the same time. You're paying lip service to one and doing the other. At least be honest.
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