Jim Beam
Gets aroused by men in low socks
I have a tendegantiswith players i dont have an issue and id agree with you, keepers not so much.
edit: tendinitis
I have a tendegantiswith players i dont have an issue and id agree with you, keepers not so much.
Is he on tier below Zoff? How do you define tiers?For me a huge gap would be putting him a few tiers below Zoff.
I have nothing different to tell you from what I told the rest, Edgar.Extend that to Top 20-25 and I'm sure Pereira doesn't fall there
ReportedI have nothing different to tell you from what I told the rest, Edgar.
Unless there is someone who has actually watched games looking at him, I don't know how to take the assumptions. Probably sounds ridiculous like it does to most others, which is fine.
Pass out alreadyReported
It's so interesting, I just can't. IMHO, Pereira (which every player's name start in Portugal) is a tier bellow.Pass out already
Wow, 1 person agrees. I'll buy myself a celebratory beer irrespective of the resultI find it's really hard to judge keepers who played ages back mainly because it's hard to judge the quality of keepers based on a single game. You could look at any keeper around in the EPL even, they'll all have the odd day where they have an incredible game and keep a clean sheet against a top team, but in an all-time context these keepers hardly rank anywhere. So to really judge a keeper, you'd have to watch loads of games they play or judge them based on what other sources say.
In the context of this game, it's fair to say Zoff is a better keeper than Pereira but GSTQ is completely right when he says it's hard to say by how much Zoff is better if you haven't seen much of Pereira.
Whilst this is of course true, I think it's also fair to say that considering Zoff's reputation, feats(individual as well) and all credible sources putting him around top 10 of all time Pereira is couple of tiers below him in terms of all time ranking. Sure, as you say even the likes of Brad Friedel can have the occasional blinder, but if we are to average his performance over the course of his career and probably decide a peak of each one of them in order to compare them, surely it has to be taken into account that an all time great like Zoff should be ranked at least couple of tiers higher, irrespective of whether or not we have followed Pereira's career thoroughly to make a decision.I find it's really hard to judge keepers who played ages back mainly because it's hard to judge the quality of keepers based on a single game. You could look at any keeper around in the EPL even, they'll all have the odd day where they have an incredible game and keep a clean sheet against a top team, but in an all-time context these keepers hardly rank anywhere. So to really judge a keeper, you'd have to watch loads of games they play or judge them based on what other sources say.
In the context of this game, it's fair to say Zoff is a better keeper than Pereira but GSTQ is completely right when he says it's hard to say by how much Zoff is better if you haven't seen much of Pereira.
Wondering if I should have ignored that 1st post from Synco about the gap
Sure. It was based on a thought that if two of your teams with all players being at their respective peaks played against each other, his team would probably win more games out of ten than yours.Mind explaining your vote @harms ?
Coming from Shining Star of Paektu Mountain too.Sure. It was based on a thought that if two of your teams with all players being at their respective peaks played against each other, his team would probably win more games out of ten than yours.
AgreeIn all seriousness it was very close and with Riva being available, and Gullit playing in a free role, it would've only ended one way. Somehow, the scenario of Enigma taking lots of punches throughout the game before Laudrup slips away from Bremner to provide an assist to Romario looks more realistic to me. Zoff being significantly better than your chap seriously influenced this decision as well. I've seen quite a few Benfica games with him featuring and he never stood out for me. That's, personally, enough evidence to rate him significantly lower one of the top 5-6 keepers of all-time and you attacking Synco and not apologizing sealed it for me
started to resort to personal attacks.
I am out.Didnt want to carry on that debate in the thread but I think it's fair to apologise if I did do this. We have had some healthy debates in the past with temperatures not soaring. Hopefully this was an anomaly. Cheers.
Ignoring the unpleasant stuff, I went for a draw in the end.Anyone else with some views on the game? Very low vote turn out so far.
This should be their group nickname:On the other hand GSTQ's CBs and Bremner would have done well to keep Romlazard out.
Michael doesn't talk. He is the brain behind GodShave attack on Synco.@Šjor Bepo @Jim Beam @Pat_Mustard Can we have an action here for violating the 3 post limit? It's been kept for a reason and there wasn't any reason present here to justify an exception.
Michael doesn't talk. He is the brain behind GodShave attack on Synco.
We will consider it
There's the admission of guilt.Sorry about crossing 3 post limit. Responding due to the direct question.
Ok, since you insist.There's the admission of guilt.
I trust the mods to be just and impartial.
yeah, fair do's mate. Thank you for your input.Ignoring the unpleasant stuff, I went for a draw in the end.
If Michael/GSTQ had Riva I'd have voted for them, and probably the same if they had inverted wingers or a forward-like #10 to partner Gullit up front. (That player was supposed to be Gullit himself, obviously.) But their team is really strong in any case, and while the Riva incident makes offensive cohesion problematic, I see enough arguments that they can trouble your defense, especially on the wings.
Your great attacking unit can certainly do damage, and you have the perfect player to make Gullit's task a good deal harder, perhaps even shut him down.
So I can simply see it going either way, as so often in all time drafts. What contributed is that I'm rarely too convinced by 3-4-3/3-5-2 formations against modern systems, except for the super-defensive sorts.