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Erling Haaland / signs for Dortmund
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Yeah, him and a couple of others in Martial’s ‘corner’ and then this strettyender character who I haven’t really noticed before this thread exploded on the other end of the scale. It’s getting truly ridiculous now.
Am I even allowed to be a big Martial fan and still want Haaland, even though it might be at the expense of another position? Or am I just begging for attacks from both these dreaded factions?!
Another person who has a severe dislike to reading and comprehending. I'm tired of repeating myself but I won't allow people to use lies and call me out on stuff that never happened.
Can we please get the thread back on topic?
I'll start. Haalands dad is in fact Alf Inge Haaland the same guy who injured Keane and ruined his career. The only reason we should buy this Erling is to stick him in the reserves and get revenge for what his dad did to us.
I'll start. Haalands dad is in fact Alf Inge Haaland the same guy who injured Keane and ruined his career. The only reason we should buy this Erling is to stick him in the reserves and get revenge for what his dad did to us.
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Agree 100%, and Haaland at just 19 years old would have that sell on value also. He is the different sort of striker that we need.
Agreed.
So first, Ole sent his most trusted scout to watch over Haaland. And now, Haaland sent his most trusted scout to watch over Ole.
Done dealio.
Where did I slate martial to you? Stop claiming people slate Martial so frivolously.
You don’t punish a kid for the sins of his father.
It will be a face off. Haaland vs Keane. 1 on 1 in the theatre of dreams.
Their other young talented strikers have done well too.
P. Daka 20 years old - 12 goals in 7 games - Value 3m
S. Koita 19 years old - 6 goals in 5 games - Value 3m
E. Haaland 19 years old - 15 goals in 10 games - Value 30m
Haaland obviously is the stand out here but I think we need some perspective with regards to a possibly huge transfer fee. He has the hype behind him right now, rightly deserved after his CL performances. The potential upside to signing him is huge and I'm all for it, but we've not seen enough yet to pay a premium price, imo. If not for his CL performances he would be nothing more than an exiting punt from a weak league. I wouldn't want us to buy someone for a premium price on the back of a world cup either. Going in our pockets for a lot over 30m-50m would be too risky, as he would need to actually be a generational talent to not be labeled a flop. I wouldn't put my money on it.
P. Daka 20 years old - 12 goals in 7 games - Value 3m
S. Koita 19 years old - 6 goals in 5 games - Value 3m
E. Haaland 19 years old - 15 goals in 10 games - Value 30m
Haaland obviously is the stand out here but I think we need some perspective with regards to a possibly huge transfer fee. He has the hype behind him right now, rightly deserved after his CL performances. The potential upside to signing him is huge and I'm all for it, but we've not seen enough yet to pay a premium price, imo. If not for his CL performances he would be nothing more than an exiting punt from a weak league. I wouldn't want us to buy someone for a premium price on the back of a world cup either. Going in our pockets for a lot over 30m-50m would be too risky, as he would need to actually be a generational talent to not be labeled a flop. I wouldn't put my money on it.
You have definitely been slating him, though you mask it up with saying "he has talent, no doubt". You refuse to acknowledge how grossly his career at our club has been mismanaged and blame him for not showing consistency as a number 9, considering the fact that this is the first season where he would properly be afforded that role specifically (even during LVG, he had to play a lot more often from the left side of the attack).
I've had my problems with Martial, his mentality, dedication and mainly his work rate when playing, but he is having a strong start of the season, despite the unfortunate injury. However, right now his position is the least of our problems and I'm on board for signing a backup striker, but not someone who will replace him in the starting 11, because we have 5 positions who need to be addressed much more urgently.
If we could spend £3-400 million in the next 2 transfer windows and straight away challenge for all the big trophies from next season, I'm sure any player would be happy to fight for a place in our team. That will never happen though so we need to plan accordingly and look at our squad from a realistic perspective. The best we can aim for right now is top 4 and a cup win domestically, there is no magic trick that changes that overnight.
Aye, true. But bringing in a 19 year old talent won't deprive Martial of any chance he might have to prove himself a world beater. As you say, if we had Kane people wouldn't be that interested in Haaland - but we don't have Kane. We have a player who remains largely unproven as a top level striker.
The logic behind wanting Haaland is that he's what people keep referring to as a "generational" talent. If you believe that he is just that*, he's a player we should be in for - and Martial simply isn't good enough, or a good and safe enough prospect, to change that. Kane would be - but, again, we ain't got Kane.
* Or close to that, at least.
So where did I slate him.
Well you have been saying it's Martial's fault that he hasn't taken the number 9 role consistently, whilst knowing perfectly well the circumstances of the last few years, the players and manager we had that halted his natural progression.
You also basically want to replace him with Haaland, because apparently the Norwegian is more consistent and has more talent. Which is a crazy reaction to a player, who is playing in the Austrian league. What if the main reason that Haaland scores so much is the team around him and the system they play?
And let's not forget how much money we will have to pay. I would definitely take Haaland for, say, £30 million. The pressure would be minimal and he could realistically be a bench player. But we all know that we will have to pay way over the odds and with that comes huge expectations, like we have already seen it with the likes of Pogba, Lukaku and Maguire.
I agree with most of what you said. although I disliked lukaku for simple things like his touch for example. he would have excelled here if we had a much better functioning team. I know international football isnt the same as league football but you can just see how easy it is for lukaku to perform there. So if Lukaku often struggled here when we had a better midfield last season, how do we think a younger unproven striker from a 3rd tier league would perform?
If you read most of my posts on our squad Im usually begging for us to buy an attacking midfielder before anything else. The only up to standard player we have is mata but he is on a steep decline physically. Now I dont know much about this Haaland fellow other than 3 youtube vids. But from what I seen he seems like a Dzeko type of player. Great goalscorer but doesn't seem to offer much else in the buildup phase. Maybe he is a great target man but I cant really judge that from the youtube videos.
With all that said Im very happy to acquire him as long as were not breaking any transfer records. We broke the transfer record on our defense and decided we didnt have anymore funds to upgrade the rest of the team. Thats one of my fears if we do buy haaland in january. Ive already seen silly headlines with us spending 200million on both haaland and Sancho. I know its likely not true but it still uneasy knowing Salburg and Dortmund will try and squeeze us with these rumors.
Will try and watch the next salsburg game to see how haaland looks holding up the ball. id feel more comfortbale knowing he is very adept at this because thats our main problem not having an attacking midfielder.
Didnt stop Dan James from making a big impact where Sanchez had failed.
It wont be hard for Haaland to produce more than Martial.
I dont think rashford is as clueless as the Cafe makes him out to be playing CF. He struggles up there because he is very isolated. Rashford could actually play very well as a leading striker if he had a player like Ozil behind him. Dont get me wrong I know his best position is out wide but this recent claim this season that he is a shite Cf is wrong. We get a quality attacking midfielder and suddenly we have 3 strikers in martial, greenwood and rashford. We could even add haaland for extra strike force.
Dan james has made a big impact but how big if were still 7 points off 4th?
Also martial has 5 goals and 3 assists in 8 appearances. he is currently our most effective player. Thats a very strong start if you ask me.
Good grief, man! You’re saying posters are shitting on Martial because they want a new toy, I said that never happened in this thread. Feel free to quote someone, anyone who’ve done this and prove me wrong. You are an absolutely terrible poster, with your strawmen arguments and faux outrage against things that never happened!
Try googling ‘self awareness’, read about it until you feel you have a basic grasp of it’s meaning and application, then come back to me.
I actually think we need both Martial and another striker like Haaland. We re too reliant on Martial as Rashford is not very comfortable playing as a 9.
We need another striker and it's irrational to think otherwise. Rashford is clearly not a CF. If we get a new striker we have the new striker and Martial competing for CF role, Rashford and James for LW, James and Greenwood for RW. That's a decently balanced squad.
Martial will be a starting striker since he's integrated into the system, Haaland will provide competition from the bench for the first few games while also starting in cup games. If Martial is tearing it up in the league, he remains the striker, otherwise he gets benched and Haaland gets the starting spot. If they are both performing in their respective starts, we switch to two strikers up front.
Point is, Martial cannot demand to win trophies and yet expect no competition for his place. Same will go for Haaland.
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Alright champ. Don't want to derail the thread with personal insults so I'll keep it civil and leave it at that.I have to be honest, this overly aggressive propaganda in favour of the new flavour of the month is seriously putting me off Haaland.
Mandzukic has played less football than Ravel Morrison this season. Juve should have let him go for free in the summer.
Please don’t make assumptions on what kind of a player he is before actually checking him out. Read the analysis I posted in my last post. They will tell you that he is pretty far from a «Dzeko» kind of player and that he contributed a lot in the build up play. He is very direct in his playing style and extremely smart in his movement. It is really hard not to jump on the hypetrain if you take the time to actually dig into his stats and attributes and watch him regularly.
People on here make their judgement based on highlightvideos and that he’s not playing in a top 10 league. That is just lazy. (7 CL goals in 267 minutes and 23 goals in his last 22 national apperances for Norway should give a hint of real quality even for the lazy though)
Is he better than Martial? In my opinion; Yes he is. I think Haaland is the bigger talent by a mile. This is not bashing Martial, because he is a very good attacker, but I believe there’s a very good chance Haaland actually is that generational goalscoring talent that can take us back to the top. 100M might be a bargain. There is no reason why Martial, Rashford, James, Pogba, McTom and Fred shouldn’t make a great attacking unit with him. Add another creative midfielder a right wing and a DM and we are back in business.
We definitely need another striker and that's beyond doubt, the only question is will haaland be good enough to replace martial directly when he's injured.
Cause right now our plan and style of play is heavily dependent on martial fitness. A change in the number 9 can alter the entire attacking set up and if Haaland is very different in playing style to martial then we'll have a problem.
Otoh if we somehow manage to get Sancho then we won't have a problem at all.
Cause right now our plan and style of play is heavily dependent on martial fitness. A change in the number 9 can alter the entire attacking set up and if Haaland is very different in playing style to martial then we'll have a problem.
Otoh if we somehow manage to get Sancho then we won't have a problem at all.
It's thin because if key players are injured the reserves are not good enough. When Pogba and Martial were out we were hopeless. The solution to a weak squad is to replace 4 or 5 of the squad ASAP with better players. If we spend a season's transfer budget on one player that can't happen. We get Haaland and we keep weak players in our squad.
Yes. Another striker is an urgent priority. Rashford is not a #9 at this time. Greenwood is still too young. But the striker doesn't have to be an expensive player, unproven in the premiership. I want a reserve striker who can replace Martial, a play-maker and a defensive midfielder. For the same money as Haarland.
name one
Sigh... I’ll try again, I want them both, because they are far from similar players. Martial is much more of a creator, which he is proving now, and far too talented to just drop off a cliff if given some competition/rotation. I even think he could play very successfully as a 10. Now go yell at thin air or something, champ.
I have to be honest, this overly aggressive propaganda in favour of the new flavour of the month is seriously putting me off Haaland.
That’s every player’s preference, it’s not news!
In light of our supposed less than flourishing finances published today, I can't see United spending much more than £50M (clearly a rough guess) this January. We won't be getting this lad or Sancho for that - or whatever modest budget we have.
We need to improve the 1st team and buy players who will start - we don't need to buy players who are going to create competition because we just don't have a good enough team to allow this. We need to buy players who will improve a position - CM is the obvious position.
If this young lad continues to impress for the rest of the season, we should be all over him like a rash in the summer. We've got bigger gaps to fill this January.
We need to improve the 1st team and buy players who will start - we don't need to buy players who are going to create competition because we just don't have a good enough team to allow this. We need to buy players who will improve a position - CM is the obvious position.
If this young lad continues to impress for the rest of the season, we should be all over him like a rash in the summer. We've got bigger gaps to fill this January.
Martial cannot be a number 10, because a player in that position has to drop into midfield very often. A second striker is a different proposition, but it also means changing up the whole system of the team to suit a 2 striker formation. It makes the likes of Rashford and James (to a lesser extent) redundant, and requires a different type of wide players, which we don't have at all.
You seem very hurt that people may be against the signing of your godly idol Haaland. It's as if you have some personal stake in that happening.
And by the summer every single major club in Europe could be after him.
If he is the real deal, available and willing to join, we shouldn’t delay signing him:
The fact that people can’t see that shows just how far we’ve fallen.
Fact is if you’ve been 3 years at United and you can’t handle the competition from a 19 year old than you have no business being here.
People tend to forget that no matter how bad other areas of the team were, SAF ALWAYS had a world class CF or ST. All our title winning teams have one of the following forwards: Hughes, Cantona, Cole, Yorke, RvN, Rooney, Ronaldo, RvP.
Is it also a coincidence that since SAF retired, we only signed one world class ST as if in Ibrahimovic.
So I don’t get this whole outrage over signing a prospect who has the potential to become world class especially when we are short in attack.
As some other posters have said, mentally he looks like a young Rooney. We have to be morons of epic proportions to let this kid slip away if we have the chance of signing him.
Imagine that in 5 years time our attack might be Rashford, Martial, Greenwood, Haaland and James all entering their prime. Not a bad prospect, eh?
Except for Wazza. He apparently hates sunshine.
I've seen a lot of Haaland and conversely worry about this potential transfer because of these inflated expectations. Take away any allegiance or opinion you have on him and he's a 19 year old who is really playing his first season as the main striker at a half decent club in a half decent league. He looks like he has potential but he also looks far from a £100m player. If he comes will he be expecting to start every game? Will he be happy being backup to Martial?
Well that is a separate argument and is something I wouldn’t disagree with. As with Sancho, if we can sign Haaland then we should. It’s probably not as straightforward as that though. If we could sign both, at the expense of reinforcing midfield at all, would you? How about if that included Pogba leaving and still no midfield recruitment?
Only in a perfect world, where you have the mythical ‘two quality players for every position’. In reality it’s irrational to think we really need another striker at present. It’s not logical to be more content with James and Greenwood, as options on the right, than Martial and Rashford, as central forwards.
Our front three are relatively good, are doing relatively well and are relatively versatile. Martial and Rashford can play through the middle, all three can play from the left, with only James being adequate from the right. Quality off the bench is lacking, but then so is - at the very least - one of the starting midfield berths. Ideally, our next attacking signing would be a player who can operate both from the right and in the no.10 role, which would give us a more balanced squad than a new striker would.
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