Yet neither of them was allowed to implement fundamental change from the bottom down or finish top 8 which seems to be what the board and the Ole in crowd want us to be ok with.
I hope you're right of course but so far it appears his entire style of play will be counter attack based, he has no ideas whatsoever on how to break down a tough deep lying defence, he thinks Pogba is a DM and his results have been poor.
Every game is deserved to win when you put it like that.
For one I don't play Fifa
Still refuse to believe "most / majority" want him gone.
Does he? Or was his hand forced?
No it's not. If he is not perfoming to a satisfied level like now. But you still want to give him time, you are accepting the current Status Que.
Could well be the boards, could be the manager. Could well be both.
Why is it impressive. This is not our first rebuild since Fergie. We gave the rebuild job to LVG and he got us top 4, managed to clear out a tone of players whilst getting a CB, CMx2, CF, LB and Di Maria. Whilst overhauling the coaching staff and scouting.
. That's actually when I did play Fifa, maybe that's my problem, i need to play the new Fifa and i might be up with the times.Blaming the fans for the club's status now! are you serious? The fans are the most toxic and hurtful thing at the time but not the incompetent manager, the incompetent CEO Ed and the leeches of owners, some of our mercenary players? really?
But it's all the grey and unknown's that makes the Ole project keep ticking. But it will be the black and white that gets him sacked. So what's the most relevant argument?
But yet lost a title race to Mancini.
Yes. Says quite a lot that doesn’t it.
Why would anyone expect us to finish above Spurs who have a better squad and now have Mourinho in charge?
This. If we instead had bought a midfielders, people would 100% bitch and moan about us not buying a CB and a RB. He sent Smalling on loan and suddenly hes the best CB ever, despite the fact that hes been here 10 years soon, under 5 different managers and has yet to establish himself as a first choice under any of them. Hes a decent enough defender, but i think people have forgotten just how much he panics when he is put under pressure.
Smalling has been the first choice for every manager. That's the problem with Ole people. When they don't spout absolute rubbish that you would expect from a deluded 10-year-old, they openly lie.
He was first choice because the other choices were even worse. Smalling was dropped from the England squad for a reason and when he did play for us he got a lot of abuse for not being good enough. Let's not pretend he's some kind of world-class defender. Maguire is easily better than him and Lindelof while not as good in the air is better at basically everything else. Tuanzebe has the potential to become world-class or better than Smalling at least so it makes sense to want to open a pathway for him which Ole has done. The players that aren't better than him are Jones and Rojo but who's going to take them off our hands?
Fred and McTominnay in the beginning of the season would get wolloped by the team's we were playing. Scott has massively overperformed and Fred has just recently put in 2-3 good performances! You would be calling Ole shite for making that choice from day 1.
"Managed to clear our players", you mean practically giving away Welbeck, Kagawa, Zaha, Evans, Nani and Rafael for a combined total of 49 million? That's less than we paid for Shaw+RojoWhy is it impressive. This is not our first rebuild since Fergie. We gave the rebuild job to LVG and he got us top 4, managed to clear out a tone of players whilst getting a CB, CMx2, CF, LB and Di Maria. Whilst overhauling the coaching staff and scouting.
Liverpool and City are not the two best run clubs, they are just the most successful. Norwich and Brighton are very well run clubs, Newcastle aren't. It has nothing to do with their positions in the league. It's a flawed argument that always gets blown up when you are successful, it's the same reason why we believe David Gill is better than Woodward.
Peak Barca 2009, now you are just throwing everything out their and seeing what sticks.
Peak Fergie would have us above Leicester City because he is a better manager than Rodger and has better players than him. He was top with Anderson and Cleverly in midfield. Battered Spurs 4-0.
It shouldn't be a big rebuild job? We should be reaping the rewards now because that rebuild job should now be complete. The trouble is the people who have left us in this state are still in charge and are still making stupid football decisions.
Say's what? enlighten us Wumminator!
The fans who are more knowledgeable and close to the club in your eyes seem to be supporting more. The fans with looser bonds to the club and on Twitter seem to be a majority Ole out.
Not going to comment on the other nonsense, but why does anyone care about if we could get rid of Rojo or Jones? No, Manchester United should not care if a player still has resale value or not and neither should the club care if a worse player sits on the bench or in the reserves. Smalling wasn't loaned because nobody wanted Rojo, he was loaned because Ole thinks the latter is better. Yes, he actually is that dumb.
The rebuild was fecked up by Jose.
I mean, this is the level of discourse you see from some of the fans.
The rebuild was fecked up from the day SAF left. Either through bad player recruitments, bad training methods that see players constantly injured, bad managerial choice in the first place. It's could be a long list.
Agreed, it's been terrible for years. I will go as far to say that it was happening before SAF and Gill retired. They neglected the right wing position for example.
Ah, the "true red" debate.
They both fecked up and Moyes fecked up before them when he got rid of the Fergies backroom staff and bought fecking Fellini for more than his release clause when everyone could see the squad was getting old
Right wing was one of our strongest position with both Nani and Valencia playing their best football as RW.
In the past a lot of kids supported Utd when they were winning things. How do you think they built up the biggest fanbase? I see City shirts here and you wouldnt have seen any 10-15 years ago.
Well it’s three times the number of players so that shouldn’t be a big shock.
I reckon if Sir Alex had stayed on he'd have probably envisioned one of Zaha or Januzaj sorting the right wing spot. The real problem was the negligence of the central midfield.
On goal difference.Mourinho’s work in the transfer market was (and still remains) atrocious. He replaced the entire first team and complained that he wasn’t able to do it again (by buying players that were older than those he was trying to dismiss).
What exactly did they go on to achieve?
Well the proof will be in the pudding won’t it? When Pogba gets back we will see him play in his best position at number 10 with Fred and Scott behind and we will not get walloped, we will be a much better side for it.
The midfield has been a problem area for what feels like an eternity now.
Agreed.
