UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
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Lennon7

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I’d vote for Nicola Sturgeon any day of the week if they had a national party. Scotland’s Tory as feck now anyway
 

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but apparently laura and the BBC is all about the BJ and they are a corrupt biased conservative mouthpiece - im looking forward to the mental gymnastics to justify this
They do have a clear conservative bias. The fact that Bojo decided to take the piss out of them probably hasn't gone down very well though.
 

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but apparently laura and the BBC is all about the BJ and they are a corrupt biased conservative mouthpiece - im looking forward to the mental gymnastics to justify this
So Boris' punishment for not having to come under major scrutiny from Andrew Neil is that he doesn't have to come under major scrutiny from Andrew Marr.

Johnson and his team are trying their absolute hardest to avoid substantial interviews where he is probed on more than just whether he puts jam or cream on a scone first and where he can't just resort to saying "get Brexit done" to every single question and you somehow think that it's punishment for him to not have the chance to appear on Marr?


What exactly do you think Johnson would have to gain from being interviewed by Andrew Marr that he wouldn't have to gain from an Andrew Neil interview?
 

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We spend less on healthcare as a percentage of GDP than..well, a lot of OECD countries. In fact, our spending per person is almost exactly the OECD average.

https://data.oecd.org/healthres/health-spending.htm

You can see here as well the PPP adjusted figures:

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org...-spend-half-much-per-person-health-u-s-spends

A lot of British people want top quality healthcare, education, roads, defence, politics etc etc without spending the appropriate amounts of money to do so.
Yeah, so the UK pays about average for what is a fairly average service. Other countries with similar spends produce better results because they don't fund everything under the sun and they don't embark on stupid IT projects or PFI schemes. The NHS could get a lot more value from its budget if it was run more efficiently. The amount of money it gets is not the main issue.
 

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but apparently laura and the BBC is all about the BJ and they are a corrupt biased conservative mouthpiece - im looking forward to the mental gymnastics to justify this
It's not difficult to nail this particular dismount. Boris doesn't like accountability or scrutiny - hence avoiding the channel 4 debate and hiding from Neil. Precluding him from lengthy interviews he likely doesn't want anyway isn't necessarily the terrible threat you perceive it as. You could even say it cheaply protects the BBC's reputation while offering the Tories an out. At any rate I'm pretty sure Tory HQ would take the quid-pro-quo of not landing the Marr interview in return for not having to do the Neil one.

Anyway I'm confident he'll do the Neil interview eventually.
 

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The media don't have any real influence on elections - Labour's problems lie with the likes of Corbyn, not the likes of Murdoch.

 

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Also what about Theresa May celebrating a literal Nazi admirer?
Embarrassing for sure but she wasn't being celebrated for her nazi sympathies, but for her role in being the first female parliamentarian. Although I fully expect to be accused by Sweet Square of fancying Teresa May for saying so.
 

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It says a lot that a UK Prime Minister won’t even answer the question ‘How many children do you have?’.
 

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There's a huge difference between a company freely deciding to offer stock options as a means to attract and retain key employees, and the government seizing private property.

The other major issues with the policy:
  • It only applies to companies with more than 250 employees. Any company approaching that mark will be strongly disincentivised from hiring more staff, presumably electing to outsource functions. Any company with 300 employees will I'm sure look at firing 50.
  • What happens with M&A activity? When a UK company is purchased or merges with a non-UK company not subject to this policy?
  • What about groups of companies, especially across national borders?
  • It's also just going to mean companies defer dividends and wait for a less extreme government, or decide to transfer value to shareholders through share buy-backs.
It's a mind bogglingly dumb policy. I think Labour imagine modern business is much like it was in the 1970s, with a neat division between 'workers' and 'bosses' and shareholders.

If Labour wants worker representation on company boards, then just do that. But this scheme is economically illiterate and dangerous.
You can use terms such as seizing private property all you like but there's no evidence this is the case and that those assets won't still legally belong to the firm even if they're not accessible. These are asset-locked investments and there's many ways you can build up the shares.

The Dems are pushing for the same thing across the pond, in the case of Sanders his proposal was 50%.

Apart from your dividend point the rest are valid questions that will need answers during the consultation.

Do you have the same opinion of forced pension contributions and the recent automatic enrollment schemes? This is much less of a money grab than that was especially in it's original form.
 

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Embarrassing for sure but she wasn't being celebrated for her nazi sympathies, but for her role in being the first female parliamentarian. Although I fully expect to be accused by Sweet Square of fancying Teresa May for saying so.
Yeah... I am sure the likes of the media and yourself would be just as happy with that excuse if it was the Labour party.

Imagine the uproar if Labour MP's were unveiling a statue to a nazi supporting Jew hater regardless of their other 'achievements'. All it shows that they don't actually care about racism or antisemitism unless it can be used as a stick to beat Labour. It's pathetic.
 

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Are you against a minimum wage?
Not at all - the minimum wage was one of Labour's great achievements. The process for setting it should be independent from the government of the day though, as envisaged by the legislation.
 
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You can use terms such as seizing private property all you like but there's no evidence this is the case and that those assets won't still legally belong to the firm even if they're not accessible. These are asset-locked investments and there's many ways you can build up the shares.
That's just factually incorrect. Copied directly from Labour's manifesto:
We will give workers a stake in the companies they work for – and a share of the profits they help create – by requiring large companies to set up Inclusive Ownership Funds (IOFs). Up to 10% of a company will be owned collectively by employees, with dividend payments distributed equally among all, capped at £500 a year,
and the rest being used to top up the Climate Apprenticeship Fund. The cap will rise to ensure that no more than 25% of dividends raised by IOFs are redistributed in this way.
Do you have the same opinion of forced pension contributions and the recent automatic enrollment schemes? This is much less of a money grab than that was especially in it's original form.
I think the automatic enrolment scheme is a very good thing. It doesn't deprive anyone of their property - it sets a minimum level of pension contributions, much like a minimum wage.
 

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Yeah... I am sure the likes of the media and yourself would be just as happy with that excuse if it was the Labour party.

Imagine the uproar if Labour MP's were unveiling a statue to a nazi supporting Jew hater regardless of their other 'achievements'. All it shows that they don't actually care about racism or antisemitism unless it can be used as a stick to beat Labour. It's pathetic.
No, what it means it Labour needed to find a way to put this story to bed so the spotlight can shift to the Tories and their own problem with racism. I don't think there's a chance of that happening until Corbyn goes.
 

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but apparently laura and the BBC is all about the BJ and they are a corrupt biased conservative mouthpiece - im looking forward to the mental gymnastics to justify this
But they have shown a quite clear Tory bias in separate incidents in the last few weeks. Just because they do this doesn't make that not true.

That's like someone throwing stones at a wall and then just one of the stones is instead thrown at a bottle and you going 'but apparently this guy is all about throwing stones at the wall as he's such a massive wall hater. Looking forward to your mental gymnastics to justify this".
 

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Peter Sutcliffe killed 13 people but now he isn't killing people. Thought he was all about murdering?? Looking forward to the mental gymnastics to justify this.
 

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but apparently laura and the BBC is all about the BJ and they are a corrupt biased conservative mouthpiece - im looking forward to the mental gymnastics to justify this
Not every journalist who works for the BBC is pro-Tory or pro-Johnson, but Kuenssberg clearly is. If you follow her on twitter her bias is clear and obvious, always questioning Labour's position with rational thinking yet leaping to the defence of the Tories and Johnson in particular without the same level of scepticism.
 

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Embarrassing for sure but she wasn't being celebrated for her nazi sympathies, but for her role in being the first female parliamentarian. Although I fully expect to be accused by Sweet Square of fancying Teresa May for saying so.
Ironically not even the first woman elected either.
 

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Not every journalist who works for the BBC is pro-Tory or pro-Johnson, but Kuenssberg clearly is. If you follow her on twitter her bias is clear and obvious, always questioning Labour's position with rational thinking yet leaping to the defence of the Tories and Johnson in particular without the same level of scepticism.
That video of her watching Johnson speaking and having a beaming smile and laughing. So gross.
 

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No, what it means it Labour needed to find a way to put this story to bed so the spotlight can shift to the Tories and their own problem with racism. I don't think there's a chance of that happening until Corbyn goes.
Any socialist leader will get the same shit as Corbyn has. Just like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar have been accused of it in the States... even Bernie has been accused of it and he's Jewish.

Maybe we just let the media pick the Labour leader for us in future... a nice right winger they can get on board with. Will save a lot of bother.
 

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Maybe we just let the media pick the Labour leader for us in future... a nice right winger they can get on board with. Will save a lot of bother.
Or how about you don't choose a leader who is a walking closet of skeletons for the media to rummage in?
 

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Does anyone remember the glory days of 2015, when the media was 100% impartial between miliband and Cameron?
 

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Embarrassing for sure but she wasn't being celebrated for her nazi sympathies, but for her role in being the first female parliamentarian. Although I fully expect to be accused by Sweet Square of fancying Teresa May for saying so.
If this is the standard there is absolutely zero problem of antisemitism with corbyn. None.
 

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Embarrassing for sure but she wasn't being celebrated for her nazi sympathies, but for her role in being the first female parliamentarian. Although I fully expect to be accused by Sweet Square of fancying Teresa May for saying so.
Not celebrating Hitler for his genocide but his role in being the first the popularise the Chaplin stache.
 

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Or how about you don't choose a leader who is a walking closet of skeletons for the media to rummage in?
He doesn't really though does he. When you consider things like how Boris repeatedly hired famous anti-semite and racist in general Taki Theodoracopulos to write for the Spectator and all the other skeletons he has. For anything Corbyn has done and been slammed for, you can generally find that Boris did something similar and worse. But there's feck all to be done when for example Boris is dodging debates left and right and then Telegraph come out with this frontpage headline:

Jeremy Corbyn dodges TV debates after disastrous Andrew Neil interview

When when you look into it in any detail you find out Corbyn has refused to go on the debates that Boris is dodging, for obvious reasons. TBF you probably don't even have to look into it to guess that would be the case.

The fact is the public get nearly all of their political information from the media and the media are well and truly crooked.


The fact that you're defending a Nazi supporter to help make your point says it all really. You're a disgusting anti-semite by your own standards.
 

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If this is the standard there is absolutely zero problem of antisemitism with corbyn. None.
Unless you're Jewish, I don't think it's your place to tell a group of people what to be or not to be offended by.

The mistake he's made is not to engage with Jewish leaders over the perceived problem, basically ignoring the problem, dealing with any issues slowly and seemingly with reluctance, further alienating the Jewish community and confirming their worst fears.

I personally don't doubt that Corbyn himself isn't racist, however that doesn't mean that racist ideas haven't taken root on the far left of the party due to their antipathy towards Israel, and the lack of urgency and arrogance with which Corbyn has dealt with the problem has kept the issue running.

To put the problem to bed he just had to say, "what are your concerns, this is how I intend to deal with them, do you think that's appropriate" at the very start and problem goes away.
 

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Come to the conclusion a hung parliament is the best outcome.

Don't really want the policies of any party being implemented in full.

Better they all have to compromise with each other to get anything done.

Majority governments have generally been pretty terrible in last 20 years. Both Labour and the Tories in different ways.
 

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This is what is wrong with your system.

“Ditch all the rest”. Trying to capture the “will of the people” in two polar opposites that nobody likes is why you got such a polarised mess of a political system.
The UK has what amounts to a unwritten constitution, hence the two 'big dog' political parties fighting it out for power, is the only thing that has a chance of working. The 'Will of the People' etc has nothing to do with it, as demonstrated by the failure to implement the referendum result.

Politicians in the UK do not want to know the 'will of the people', they tell the people what their will is. This is how the principle of an unwritten constitution works out by using precedence. If you are the only ones who have set precedence, since the days of King John and the MC, then you won't give that up. Almost all battles political or otherwise only really have a successful outcome when there are only two opposing sides, one wins the other loses and of course history is always written by the winners.

Three (or more) way battles occur when not everyone can be contained in the big tents of the opposing parties, this leads to mistakes, or to unintended consequences, e.g. vote for one thing and get another. It confuses friend and foe alike and quite often leads to nothing of any significance being achieved, especially when bold actions are required.
 
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