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No, you are not, you are even worse than those.I saw it months ago, then again im not a thick plastic git
No, you are not, you are even worse than those.I saw it months ago, then again im not a thick plastic git
The injuries excuse. I can't wait for Pogba to come back. Hopefully there will be an improvement in our form against lesser teams.Read the last sentence of my post
You missed a key word in what Neville said, he said "counter" attack was our best defence, hence why we sat back and broke when we had the opportunity. Its also not unusual for teams to "be on the ropes" away at City so blaming Ole for the tactics is a little harsh imo.Why is it whenever we start playing well he decides to tell them to stop playing well and gets us to sit back, which has invited major pressure and almost cost us big time, we had the best 30 minutes of his tenure so far at the start, then City pretty much dominated us till the end, and they had us on the ropes towards the end. Needless... Neville said it best on comms, our best from of defense was to attack but instead he had us sit back and invite pressure, stupid
LVG didn't play the same way as Ole but he certainly got results against the top 6. Jose was average though, only got 8 wins in 26 games and lost 10 of them. We won't talk about Moyes...Even Mourinho and Van Gaal acheived great results against the top 6 like this.
Nope. I think it was unlikely he was going to be sacked anyway and given these last two results he'll stay until the Summer and will be backed in January.So, and it's the third time this season I'm saying this, the next few games will definitely be decisive in determining whether Ole has a future here.
Is it your opinion that what players the team has available doesn't matter?The injuries excuse. I can't wait for Pogba to come back. Hopefully there will be an improvement in our form against lesser teams.
The one thing this team definitely can't do is play well in different ways. It's clear that we are a very good team and very hard to beat when we can sit back and counter, but other than that we're nowhere near close enough to where we need to be. I get that you're buzzing after the last two games, we all are, but you can't look at two games in isolation and just forget about all the others. If you take a step back and look at the past year it's quite obvious that we need more than just two players to get back to the top, and a lot more to be able to dominate every game.When we were missing arguably our best central midfielder, for which we have no proper replacement?
There’s a very in your face reality about our squad. And thats the fact that our first eleven is very good, very young, very capable of playing in different ways and most importantly, VERY capable of mixing it against some of the best footballers in the league. We’ve been struggling to find an identity for so long, and now that we are starting the see one taking shape, just relax and enjoy. This rebuild has the potential to end up something really, really special. I genuinely believe we are a top centre half and a motivated Paul pogba away from being able to dominate every game we play in, even if a team just sits back.
No i think he's a key player but we should be able to cope with injuries to one or two big players. Chelsea have been without Kante for most of the seasonIs it your opinion that what players the team has available doesn't matter?
Our squad haven’t been together long enough to make any certain determination about where they will end up. Even the players who have been at the club for a few years, they haven’t played together all that often. Martial and Rashford together is only really a recent development, as is McTominay and Fred. The rest of the squad are also getting used to one another too. There’s enough there for me to say we have to give this project time, irrespective of the bumps.The one thing this team definitely can't do is play well in different ways. It's clear that we are a very good team and very hard to beat when we can sit back and counter, but other than that we're nowhere near close enough to where we need to be. I get that you're buzzing after the last two games, we all are, but you can't look at two games in isolation and just forget about all the others. If you take a step back and look at the past year it's quite obvious that we need more than just two players to get back to the top, and a lot more to be able to dominate every game.
Realistically there hasn't been enough time at all. He needs more investment and better players.That's the thing though, the plan works when the stakes are high and there's a lot of chances for counters. It doesn't seem to work against the lower-level teams. There's been enough time for Ole to sort that out and it's still not there. You can do well against the big teams, but you're not going anywhere in a season if you don't consistently put away the teams you're supposed to. Let's see if this is a catalyst week to change that around, he's earned himself some safety until the end of the season.
Yeah probably, but I meant beyond the summer.Nope. I think it was unlikely he was going to be sacked anyway and given these last two results he'll stay until the Summer and will be backed in January.
You have to understand that they got someone to cover him while we got 3 midfields injured at the same time Matic, Pogba & McTominay. Imagine if two of Kante & Kovacic are injured, they would be left with Jorginho alone playing with whoever they got left probably make the same impact as Pereira.No i think he's a key player but we should be able to cope with injuries to one or two big players. Chelsea have been without Kante for most of the season
Well you kind of did make that determination when you said we were two players away from dominating every game, I just don't agree with that based on the fact that we have struggled so much for so long against every other team in the bottom half of the PL.Our squad haven’t been together long enough to make any certain determination about where they will end up. Even the players who have been at the club for a few years, they haven’t played together all that often. Martial and Rashford together is only really a recent development, as is McTominay and Fred. The rest of the squad are also getting used to one another too. There’s enough there for me to say we have to give this project time, irrespective of the bumps.
Jose's record vs top 6 was generally quite poor. LVG's was quite close to perfection. Ole is following a similar vain to LVG.Counter attacking football against teams that dominate the ball? What a revolutionary idea.
Great win but let's not use this as a stick to beat people who think Ole is not good enough. Even Mourinho and Van Gaal acheived great results against the top 6 like this.
The first real testThe next league game is the biggest of the season so far.
To be fair, Pep has been one dimensional his entire career...The one thing this team definitely can't do is play well in different ways. It's clear that we are a very good team and very hard to beat when we can sit back and counter, but other than that we're nowhere near close enough to where we need to be. I get that you're buzzing after the last two games, we all are, but you can't look at two games in isolation and just forget about all the others. If you take a step back and look at the past year it's quite obvious that we need more than just two players to get back to the top, and a lot more to be able to dominate every game.
If that's the easy part why don't we see more teams get 14/18 points from top 6 regularly? I'm sorry but anyone saying that is insane.Not trying to be a buzzkill, but counterattacking against teams which actually want to come at you (hard) is the "easy" part. Imho the real task of the modern coach (at least for league play) is to create a system that reliably creates chances against organized defenses without giving up too much in return. And it's not like this just magically appears with time.
I think usually you see pretty early how a (good) coach is trying to accomplish that, his philosophy, even if the results aren't there from the start. Solskjaer has been in the job for about a year know and I couldn't really tell what his philosophy is.
One could say it will be the first real test for Ole.The next league game is the biggest of the season so far.
We’re still sloppy as hell and countering can only win against so many teams. Good news is that this squad still has fight in it. It needs to be complemented with more quality.If you’re not backing Solskjaer now, you’re not paying enough attention. I’ve seen enough in the last two games to be fully confident about where we are going.
A key development here will be Martial and Rashford learning to move well when crosses come in to tap the ball home.I like what I've seen the past 2 games, but we should be wary. We've had false dawns before.
We need to play better vs teams that will let us have the ball. We can't rely on counter attacks all the time.
There’s no respect in what you are saying here. None whatsoever. I am sure many fans who don’t agree with your opinion love MUFC just as much as you do. There’s no need for this, specially after a day like today when we have just beaten City.The plan is long term and it MUST be given time to come to fruition.
With all respect, the short tempered impatient fans that we have can feck off.
Cant we stop with this sh1te please. Youd swear we cant score a single goal against lower opposition. Have read this so many times on here today. We have scored 3 v Brighton and also Sheffield united and 2 against villa in last few matches, didn't win 2 of them due to injury to mctominay(yes we would have). Games earlier in season dont count so much as a new team needs time to gel. Also we were missing our striker for weeks. provided we can keep today's starting 11 fit we will be fine, but the problem is that our squad outside first 11 or 12 is very thin on quality.He still needs to figure out a plan against those teams who refuse to get out their half.
Although to be fair, it's a problem we've had for 6 years so it's not just him.
I put it into quotations for a reason, I think it's a lot easier compared to actually creating a reliable positive approach, that doesn't mean it's so easy anyone can do it though. Especially since very few coaches have a squad of United's quality at their disposal.If that's the easy part why don't we see more teams get 14/18 points from top 6 regularly? I'm sorry but anyone saying that is insane.
So all we need to do is get worse?14/18 points against chelsea, leicester, arsenal, liverpool, spurs and city
10/30 points against wolves, palace, southampton, west ham, newcastle, norwich, bournemouth, brighton, sheff utd and aston villa
So we can safely say there's a pretty solid plan for the teams that are better than us.
I can just imagine that attack...Rasford, Martial, Mbappe, and (drumroll)...Lingard behind them.One of the greatest strengths our 1999 and 2008 teams had was counter attack - we just need a bit more solidity and guile through the middle and we'll be in good shape. McTomminay could be one of them but we need at least one more. Greenwood (and hopefully Gomes) are gems. Rashford is becoming real quality and I can see some CR7 in him in terms of professionalism, hunger, courage and talent - I really think he can become world class. I don't see how Pogba fits in this team though, he doesn't have the engine to be our false nine, someone like Firminho would actually be great. I personally want to see us go all out for Mbappe. We have the money and hopefully ambition and Real Madrid aren't in great shape right now so perhaps there's a chance. Him on the right with Rashford on the left and Martial in the centre would be absolutely devastating and we wouldn't have to worry about the lower teams then, we'd steam roller them. I also think Lingard at 10 is okay, as he makes good space for the others.
My major concern is once again the manager won’t get backed the minute we need to make the next step.The plan has been obvious for months. It was obvious when he binned off the likes of Sanchez and Lukaku during the summer. Neville was right when he said it earlier that there were players at the club that didn’t want to be in the city. The ‘cultural reboot’ narrative might seem a little cheesy, but there’s certainly merit to it. At the very least, the players are following instructions. You don’t defend like we did today unless there is a tactical plan in place.
I’ve said it several times, but we need to ride this out and see where it takes us. If we can bring in some quality midfielders and a top notch winger then we will look markedly different.
I think we need a better ten than Lingarrd/Perrera/Mata. Perhaps try Pogba in there when he returns.14/18 points against chelsea, leicester, arsenal, liverpool, spurs and city
10/30 points against wolves, palace, southampton, west ham, newcastle, norwich, bournemouth, brighton, sheff utd and aston villa
So we can safely say there's a pretty solid plan for the teams that are better than us.
I understand, but this team has more than enough quality and been together under him for long enough to deal with it. It hasn't just been the top teams that have had a go at United to offer those counter-attacking chances, most of the smaller teams have as well, they're not really parking the bus against United. So the problem doesn't just lie with Pogba's absence or a lack of reinforcements; at least not to the degree it may seem. He has been here long enough to develop a style of play that should be able to deal with the lower-half of the table, and there's no excuse for how United have looked in most of those games.Realistically there hasn't been enough time at all. He needs more investment and better players.
His most creative player has missed almost all the season (Pogba) and he's relying heavily on counter attacking football. We need that bit of class to unlock stubborn defences and only more time, money and better players will bring that.
The chances of us signing a quality attacking player in Jan are slim, so were looking at the summer and next season realistically.
The abuse thrown at OGS has been disgraceful and based on nothing but ridiculous expectations from spoilt customers who lose their shit when not instrantly gratified.Counter attacking football against teams that dominate the ball? What a revolutionary idea.
Great win but let's not use this as a stick to beat people who think Ole is not good enough. Even Mourinho and Van Gaal acheived great results against the top 6 like this.
The abuse on Ole and the players has been shit. All the posts back and forth to defend him and the process has been shit.The abuse thrown at OGS has been disgraceful and based on nothing but ridiculous expectations from spoilt customers who lose their shit when not instrantly gratified.
Not really the behaviour you’d expect from a supporter.
That’s the difference between customers and supporters
And now they're without Abraham. Look what that has done to their results.No i think he's a key player but we should be able to cope with injuries to one or two big players. Chelsea have been without Kante for most of the season
Ole’s first real testThe next league game is the biggest of the season so far.