Has the FA stated that they're considering action? Or they afraid of City's lawyers?
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Eh. Poor example.
If you punched me and I said "Every time someone gets punched the offender should get a three month jail sentence", then it'd be a bit hypocritical if I watched a mate punch you and just ignored it.
I couldn't agree more. I've seen various lynchings on social media and I find it disgusting. I remember one girl who was being absolutely vilified on facebook because she left a bad review online in a restaurant, the owner found her on facebook and attached the review calling her a coward for not doing it in person. The amount of people who waded in behind him with awful comments was shocking. The group/crowd or sheep mentality online is a very sad inducement of our fellow humans unfortunately.
Anyway I agree with you. He should be rightly punished with punishment befitting the the crime and nothing more.
Well, that's where we differ. Its bad policing in my opinion. Plenty of police forces and organisations can control a crowd without the threat of violence.
What's depressing mate, is that while it is horrifying the views some have, it is not surprising to read in this day an age.
This is so true. Also, looking at his general social media appearance, he looks like someone who likes the attention too.
He may well have the right to speak about racism whenever he wants however if racism is as important to him as he claims it to be then why not speak out now?
I'm amazed at the amount of people who've quoted @noodlehair's post thinking it's anything but garbage (and it's a really gushing hot pile of crap he wrote). Likening Sterling to stirring the pot because he called out racism? That's a mental take to have and this thread is pretty depressing.
'this is so true' except it's not is it? Find me anything which says Sterling said those stories were racist. He's never claimed that the sun wrote racist stories about himself (I mean they have of course, but he hasn't claimed that).
What's wrong about his social media?
You're right, black footballer Raheem Sterling (who has been racially abused plenty) lies about how racism affects him because...?
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I don’t know whether he’s an attention seeker or not but surely that’s irrelevant in this context? He didn’t speak out on the abuse he’s received both in stadiums and in the media because he craves attention, he spoke out because he’d been subject to unwarranted scrutiny for years, culminating in a physical assault. I’m pretty sure nobody seeks that kind of attention. Pretty harsh to use it as a stick to beat him with.
He didn't nominate himself as a spokesperson on racism, this isn't the civil rights movement and he shouldn't have to comment on every racist incident. I find i disturbing that people are using this incident to have a pop at Sterling, he's been vocal enough as it is and he should be commended for encouraging a dialogue in the first place. At the end of the day it's up to the authorities to take appropriate action, Sterling speaking out on this incident will achieve little.
Well that's something that happened right in front of his eyes the other day and he said absolutely nothing about it. Maybe because he doesn't want to lose the love from his fans?
I don't want to go into details because this is touchy subject and this place is toxic when it comes to racism discussion, I just read noodle's post and agreed with it. I am getting out of this thread now, I am sorry. If you want, we can continue the discussion in private convo.
That would be fine if you did nothing and the police was right there. You don't have to do anything when you know a criminal is going to be brought to justice. You are also within your rights to assume that the victim can stand up for themselves and file their own complaints like you did for yourself. Additionally, you are well within your rights to complain publicly if you were wronged but the perpetrators don't face any consequences.
What is definitely wrong is to blame someone who was a victim for freely expressing his feelings about being attacked.
That's exactly right! And people from Montenegro never facilitated any slave trade of black people, to them the n word is just another insult, like saying a bastard or something. In England that holds much higher meaning and people in England should know better, with it being first world country and all that.
Btw. I am not excusing any of it, just saying which is worse and why.
Give it a rest, I never said he's whining over that. He's a diver and a bit of a diva. And only gets preachy about racism when it won't get him in trouble with City fans, even if they're being racist against players from other clubs.
I hope you did something about your mate getting abused.
It's actually the threat of violence, incarceration and financial penalties that controls those crowd most of the time.
If you are only willing to do the right thing until it becomes inconvenient to do so then people will probably mention it. Doesn't mean he is a bad person or that anything he said previously is invalid.
He could be told by the club to keep quiet until the investigation is complete, it could also be that he simply doesn't have the courage (I don't intend this as a bad thing) to go against his own club. It's not easy turning on your own, even if it's a thing as terrible as this. He's a young lad in the middle of a crazy and unacceptable situation.
A 'person who spoke' isn't automatically a 'spokesperson'.
I wonder if they think anyone who has ever said anything about any crime, should therefore always have a comment to make on future crimes?
This is a bad topic to have but I guess it's a necessary one. I might have given Sterling more shit than I should have on this thread, but one of our own has been abused and it seems to have gone over everyone's heads. Not to much murmur in the media about it, we hear more of it when it happens away.
Regardless what City players said about this or not, all their players of color, or of foreign ethnicity will see how their fans are. Maybe they don't mind, they're mercenaries after all, but that club will never have as much passion as we do. Have you seen their testimonials? Cringe worthy affairs, empty stands, uninterested players who are saying their goodbyes with no emotion.... Plastics, have been and will remain.
Regardless what City players said about this or not, all their players of color, or of foreign ethnicity will see how their fans are. Maybe they don't mind, they're mercenaries after all, but that club will never have as much passion as we do. Have you seen their testimonials? Cringe worthy affairs, empty stands, uninterested players who are saying their goodbyes with no emotion.... Plastics, have been and will remain.
I made the same point earlier and yet it was somehow argued against. The amount of ignorance is shocking here.
Why haven't Man City been charged for failing to control their fans yet?
When someone has shown that they are passionate about a very specific issue in a very specific context on numerous occasions then it is probably pretty fair to be surprised when that exact thing happens 10 feet away from them and they don't say a word about it.
It's not in the slightest bit surprising. I expect the club have advised him not to speak on it for starters.
He's not the victim of it, so why should he answer other people's cases? He's said his bit, and got a lot of abuse, I dare say from people with very thinly concealed sinister undertones.
I think it would be strange for an employer to direct an employee to do that but football is a weird industry so maybe.
There are numerous instances of him highlighting racism that was not directed at him. He is not obligated to do anything, he has also done a net good by speaking up when he has. It becomes more inconvenient to stand up against racism when it is coming from your own fans or teammates, it would be good if he had done but he didn't and highlighting that is not ignorance or whatever else it has been called.
Okay, fair enough. No need to speak up if the police are going to handle it anyway. If it were only the Bulgaria and Montenegro incidents I'd actually take your point. But why did he take to Instagram to speak up on the Chelsea incident then? Do you reckon he thought that Chelsea wouldn't act on it the same way City would? Do you think that he knows that London police are worse at handling such incidents than the Greater Manchester Police?
I mean, here we have two incidents of racism in the same country. He speaks up against one, because it happened to him. He also speaks up about what other countries and everyone else should do about their racism problem, and calls for point deductions if it happens. Then it happens, right in front of him (which I can understand he didn't notice at the time, because nobody involved did), and he just ignores it. I mean, really? How hard is it, if the anti-racism cause is of utmost importance to him, to post on instagram that he was saddened by the reports about what happened at his own home stadium etc etc? Surely it's a matter of valuing his image towards his own supporters over the anti-racism message?
To me it seems like he's saying "don't be racist to me" rather than "don't be racist", and that's all there is to it as far as I'm concerned. It's just a bit fake to me if he's going to be the one to speak up on racism in football. I'm not saying he's a bad person or anything, I'm just saying that willingly ignoring (because he can't have missed the coverage since the incident) to speak up on incidents because they occur really close to home and they're done by his fans has a sour taste to it in terms of the anti-racism message he's been promoting over the past year(s).
Fair enough regarding the bolded.
I imagine he spoke up about the Chelsea incident because he was the player directly targeted. There could be plenty of reasons why he didn't say anything about this incident. He might not have want to have made it all about him when he wasn't the one targeted, he may have been told by City officials to not comment on the case while they investigate, he might have thought that he's made his feelings clear on the issue of racism and has already spoken to Fred, maybe it's because it was the day before his birthday and he didn't want to put himself out there when he knows it'll result in him getting shit loads of abuse.
I honestly don't know the reason and I think to have gleaned what you have going from the bolded bit is disingenuine.
Is that something worth being called out for? I hope every person who suffered a racist abuse would speak up and say "don't be racist to me". In a similar vein, Lingard spoke up about racist abuse to him, but maybe he won't speak up about the next incident. Lukaku and Smalling aren't condemning the City incident either but they did criticize when it happened to themselves in Italy just recently.
Well this is a bit of an attention seeking, completely out of context, lie.
Testimonials? City have had one testimonial in 22 years and that was Vincent Kompany's in September that raised a lot of funds for a homeless charity in Manchester. It wasn't a particularly emotional occasion because the goodbyes had really been said at the end of May following the announcement and the parade.
If you're talking about the presentations to players who are leaving, there have been 2. One for Zabaleta, who was so emotionless that he left the pitch in floods of tears, and one for Toure.
Properly strange thing to bring into this thread.
Have you seen the video of the bloke in the tram after the game on Saturday night? A United fan coming out with a vile racist rant about City and their owners. There's halfwits in every fanbase.
The thing about the girl and restaurant owner rings a bell. Appalling behaviour by both the owner and the lynch mob.
Terrible comparison. For a start if I punch you in the face it's a personal attack on you...Not a whole race of people.
Sterling was literally racially attacked. You need to educate yourself.
It's related to them as a club, it's their fans' racism that's debated here. Bit of topic, but it's indicative of them. Have no class as a club.. You sure seem to know a lot about them and like them a bit more than any United fan normally would. I was reffering to when they presented some awards to Toure and Zabaleta, it was pure cringe.
They named a training ground and a road after Toure only to rename it something else after he accused Pep of racism. One of the more interesting testimonial stories of recent times.
Many posters are making their stance very clear here: if you are a member of an oppressed minority you better shut up about it. If not we will thoroughly scrutinize your every move henceforth. Nice.
Examples?
Are in this thread.
Using the word lynching in context of a social media outpouring against someone is something that needs to stop.
mathis man may have lost his job but at some point he’ll work again; he’ll also be able to go & watch football at grounds other than the Etihad.
This is in no way “a lynching“, he will survive this fake outrage.
mathis man may have lost his job but at some point he’ll work again; he’ll also be able to go & watch football at grounds other than the Etihad.
This is in no way “a lynching“, he will survive this fake outrage.
Everyone in this thread moaning about Sterling.