UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80

How do you intend to vote in the 2019 General Election if eligible?

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 30 4.3%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 73 10.6%
  • DUP

    Votes: 5 0.7%
  • Green

    Votes: 23 3.3%
  • Labour

    Votes: 355 51.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 58 8.4%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 3 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 9 1.3%
  • SNP

    Votes: 19 2.8%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 6 0.9%
  • Independent

    Votes: 1 0.1%
  • Other (BNP, Change UK, UUP and anyone else that I have forgotten)

    Votes: 10 1.4%
  • Not voting

    Votes: 57 8.3%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 41 5.9%

  • Total voters
    690
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Pexbo

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I feel like when Moyes lost 2-0 to Everton and Moyes’ sack was inevitable. It was miserable but there was hope of a new beginning.

Can’t wait for the Van Gaal era.
 

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Johnson's dad is going to be asleep in an hour, he sounds well pissed.
 

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I deleted it from there as I assumed a mod would have done so at some point anyway.

It's a shame posts like the awful constant troll-like ones are allowed and nothing done about them, and yet yours (which was maybe a bit extreme in places maybe, although not in my opinion) are deleted within a couple of minutes.
I can understand in a way people rightly or wrongly disliking Corbyn, but for people fully under the heel of a regime fully geared towards their continued annihilation and oppression, that's policies have killed thousands of people and will continue to do so in an ideological class war that they are winning and have been winning for decades to actively vote for them? that i cant understand.

The richest people didn't win this for the Tories, Danny 20k a year from swindon on a 0 hours contract did. I'm not sure how i can forgive that really.

Dreading to see the homeless people in our communities go from 3 on a corner to 5 then to 10, then back to 4 when they die.

Beggers belief, but hey ho enjoy brexit, feck brown people or something.
 

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£100 billion a year for a decade to tackle climate change - mainly paid for by borrowing

:rolleyes:
 

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Baddiel absolutely nailed it on c4 there. Momentum and corbynistas turned labour from an electoral force into a protest farce.

Tom watson also looking smug
What has Watson got to be smug about? He’d have led Labour to even bigger disaster as he’s a straight up remainer.

Labour Lost because they weren’t a Brexit party. To win an election based largely on Brexit When people see you as a semi-remain party is extremely difficult when 270 of 381 constituencies voted leave. People just think of it as 48%vs 52%... but when you look at the actual number of leave constituencies, it’s a mountain to climb.
 

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I feel like when Moyes lost 2-0 to Everton and Moyes’ sack was inevitable. It was miserable but there was hope of a new beginning.

Can’t wait for the Van Gaal era.
I’d agree with that if Moyes sacking was announced but part of his clause was that he had to remain manager for at least 5 years
 
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That’s actually a fair explanation. I was going with hyperbolic viciousness for comedic purposes, but I should probably keep my shit to myself as I react far worse to pretty mild crap.
perhaps everyone should get a pass tomorrow morning from the mod police?

In future, let’s have the polls close at midday, so that we are not viewing the results though a maze of corona (or drink of choice).
 

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Which 'others' are you talking about?

The centre is dead. This idea that if the Labour party stayed/moved back to the centre they would see electoral success is a canard. It doesn't matter how hard you wish it will happen, there is no return to pre-15 politics. Brexit, Trump and global Trumpism is the new normal and we need to adapt to that.

What the first few results seem to show is that in a Brexit election, Labour haven't done enough to get their message out to their 'heartland'. A movement like Momentum has done some brilliant things, but it's membership is primarily young working class people from big cities. Vote Leave seem to have been more successful in channeling small town dissatisfaction, and Labour haven't been able to cut through to Brexit voters in the same way.
The politically disenfranchised, the casual voter, New Labour voters who have had their heads turned by Tory rhetoric. Political apathy is rife in this country. We're a very small proportion of voters in comparison to the rest of the UK; we're educated on politics, we read about it everyday (my statement goes for anyone regardless of where they lie on the spectrum). Everyone else just sees the headlines and do other things in their spare time.

Right now the headlines are pro-Tory because the media machine will always attack the left. Because it goes against it's own self interests and preservation. You have two choices; play their game and nominate someone who is less extreme, or nominate someone who is less extreme who won't put off those casual viewers.

Momentum are too aggressive. It's either their way or feck you. I've been called a Tory by that brigade for fecks sake and I had interest in politics when they were still in primary school. They're deluded. The New Labour crew are as well. But until everyone stops trying to measure their political willies the party is going to be fecked.
 

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I feel like when Moyes lost 2-0 to Everton and Moyes’ sack was inevitable. It was miserable but there was hope of a new beginning.

Can’t wait for the Van Gaal era.
Seeing so many people saying nothing should change in the Labour party, or at least pushing back against the idea they need a rethink, gives me very little hope.

The Tories are going to be in for a long time now. Even if they feck brexit, well when they do, people will buy their excuses and Labour still won't have their shit together.

This is worse than we realise right now. Imo.
 

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I can understand in a way people rightly or wrongly disliking Corbyn, but for people fully under the heel of a regime fully geared towards their continued annihilation and oppression, that's policies have killed thousands of people and will continue to do so in an ideological class war that they are winning and have been winning for decades to actively vote for them? that i cant understand.

The richest people didn't win this for the Tories, Danny 20k a year from swindon on a 0 hours contract did. I'm not sure how i can forgive that really.

Dreading to see the homeless people in our communities go from 3 on a corner to 5 then to 10, then back to 4 when they die.

Beggers belief, but hey ho enjoy brexit, feck brown people or something.
George Carlin reference?
 

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I feel like when Moyes lost 2-0 to Everton and Moyes’ sack was inevitable. It was miserable but there was hope of a new beginning.

Can’t wait for the Van Gaal era.
I actually think this will see the Tories remain in power for a very long time irrespective of who replaces Corbyn, don’t you?
 

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He cannot be that toxic if Labour increased their vote share in 2017 in Ashfield.

Conservatives banking on Brexiteer votes have another thing coming. The Brexit Party will get most of them and Labour will win again with vote shares similar to 2015 when the Kippers got fair few votes.

I just tried to place a bet of £150 on Labour at 6/1 but it didn’t allow me more than £20. Since you know your constituency so well do you want to take the other £130 at same odds? Free money...
@Ultimate Grib @sun_tzu fair play to both of you, money where your mouths are.

surely in the spirit of the thread, you should donate the money to the others choice of charity? Or even better, sun_tzu could buy turtle wax for his new Ferrari and ultimate grib could just pay the money over in extra tax
Sure.. @Ultimate Grib when I win feel free to donate to the campaign against antisemitism
https://antisemitism.uk/
Sweet. Depending on the outcome of the GE I’ll get you to donate the £780 to a foodbank charity if Tories win a majority. They’re going to need it...



No probs.
When's the ashfield result due
 

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What has Watson got to be smug about? He’d have led Labour to even bigger disaster as he’s a straight up remainer.

Labour Lost because they weren’t a Brexit party. To win an election based largely on Brexit When people see you as a semi-remain party is extremely difficult when 270 of 381 constituencies voted leave. People just think of it as 48%vs 52%... but when you look at the actual number of leave constituencies, it’s a mountain to climb.
Jesus fecking christ, how many times?! Labour is a 65%+ Remain supporting party. How the feck would them supporting leave have handed them a win? Even in many of those labour leave constituencies a majority of Labour voters were remain.
 

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What has Watson got to be smug about? He’d have led Labour to even bigger disaster as he’s a straight up remainer.

Labour Lost because they weren’t a Brexit party. To win an election based largely on Brexit When people see you as a semi-remain party is extremely difficult when 270 of 381 constituencies voted leave. People just think of it as 48%vs 52%... but when you look at the actual number of leave constituencies, it’s a mountain to climb.
This, it had nothing to do with labour being too left, corbyn was a factor, mainly from the media assault however. no labour leader other than blair was able to weather it as the torys couldnt present an option at the time so he had murdochs backing.
Labour could never win this election, doesn't matter if they were centre or left, or centre right, it was a brexit election and the vote was completely split in labour heartlands there was nothing to be done in hindsight.

Also, ca the lib dems and the greens feck off already? we dont have a proportional representation and all they do by standing in seats is put the torys in power, its a farce.
 

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Sky - Labour vote down in both Leave & Remain seats showing people voted against Labour on more than just Brexit
 

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5 years of Tories though
Yeah it’s not good. Personally speaking I don’t really have much to worry about, I’m on course to get a very strong first in my computer science degree and have two verbal job offers for when I finish, getting private health care as part of my contract shouldn’t be an issue either. I just can’t disconnect like Tory voters seem to be able to do. It’s just utterly shit and depressing that the wealth gap is going to grow and public services are going to be stripped back further and further.
 

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I don't vote. Do you really think Tories get the bus?
I get the bus, the buses are shit, when they do turn up they are always jam packed. I don't want them to be even worse. That's the logic.
Do you get the bus?
 

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Jesus fecking christ, how many times?! Labour is a 65%+ Remain supporting party. How the feck would them supporting leave have handed them a win? Even in many of those labour leave constituencies a majority of Labour voters were remain.
This is the problem we face going forward.

People will just constantly push the narrative that this is all on Brexit. The labour party is fecked.
 

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perhaps everyone should get a pass tomorrow morning from the mod police?

In future, let’s have the polls close at midday, so that we are not viewing the results though a maze of corona (or drink of choice).
Ah shit we drink the same thing, now we're technically married under Caf Law. But it also means I get half your stuff in the inevitable divorce, so that's good.
 

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This, it had nothing to do with labour being too left, corbyn was a factor, mainly from the media assault however. no labour leader other than blair was able to weather it as the torys couldnt present an option at the time so he had murdochs backing.
Labour could never win this election, doesn't matter if they were centre or left, or centre right, it was a brexit election and the vote was completely split in labour heartlands there was nothing to be done in hindsight.

Also, ca the lib dems and the greens feck off already? we dont have a proportional representation and all they do by standing in seats is put the torys in power, its a farce.
The mask slips there.
 

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I don't vote. Do you really think Tories get the bus?
I get the bus, the buses are shit, when they do turn up they are always jam packed. I don't want them to be even worse. That's the logic.
Do you get the bus?
Are you really dense enough to think those buses would be even more rammed?

Do you honestly think under 25's avoid them now?
 

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Stanley Johnson being a cnut on Channel 4, can't see him lasting much longer on this. He's winding too many folk on the panel and in the audience up.
 

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The pound is up across the board. 12 month high against the US dollar.
 

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Yeah it’s not good. Personally speaking I don’t really have much to worry about, I’m on course to get a very strong first in my computer science degree and have two verbal job offers for when I finish, getting private health care as part of my contract shouldn’t be an issue either. I just can’t disconnect like Tory voters seem to be able to do. It’s just utterly shit and depressing that the wealth gap is going to grow and public services are going to be stripped back further and further.
That's what makes me feel bad.
 
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