Where was the #youthquake?
Or perhaps a good proportion of them voted Tory..?
Or perhaps a good proportion of them voted Tory..?
UK General Election - 12th December 2019 | Con 365, Lab 203, LD 11, SNP 48, Other 23 - Tory Majority of 80
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it takes up 1/3 of the page and it's useless now. small reason, I know.
To elaborate on this...
The polling suggested that when not attached to the labour party and Corbyn those policies were pretty popular. Wes Streeting can bleat on about Corbyn for the easy short term win if he likes, it'll do him and the labour party bugger all good in five years time when Corbyn is forgotten. What might help them is if they did a bit of soul-searching about how they can actually appeal to people. Shifting back to centre like he suggests is their instinctive response, but maybe if they actually have an honest conversation with themselves and how they can move forward they could learn something useful.
Sadly, I think that's beyond them. They were never all in on this, and to some degree that contributed to Corbyn's flailing image (though admittedly, less than his very very poor handling of anti-semitism), especially early on. They set a tone.
If there was something I personally liked about Corbyn early on, it was his preference for a nuanced debate. I need that, complex ideas acknowledged as complex, not boiled down to simplest talking points. Experts have value because they can inform us on things which we are uninformed about. That should hold some value, in my opinion, at least.
As is our electoral system. Well, outdated at least.
True.
"Let's mirror the Lib Dems. They did well."
Reality is that Brexit massively influenced this election. Brexit was conceived by the far right, enabled by the right wing media over many years and has also enabled this coup.
Ironically, if we had already left the EU with May's deal then I suspect this election would have been about the real issues. But hindsight is 20/20. Unfortunately it did turn into the Brexit election.
Brexit aside, we will be paying the price for this as a nation over the next 5 years and beyond.
In addition to that, giving the Tories control as we deregulate away from most EU laws will be the biggest mistake we cold have ever made. And this is coming from someone who would have seriously considered voting leave under a Labour government.
The Tories are coming for us all.
I think you are wrong. The problem isn't just Corbyn. It's Corbynism. It's leftism.
I know you like it. I know you want left-wing policies to succeed. I know they are very popular amongst your supporters.
Amongst your supporters.
Only one Labour Leader has won a general election in over 40 years. Tony Blair won as a centurist. As someone who rejected old Labour, left Labour.
You won't win 2024 with John McDonnell.
Blair isn't a centre-right figure. Or at least he wasn't in 1997.
Ha! Good call. Probably the same time LK gets investigated by the electoral commission regarding leaked postal vote information.
Apparently everything was going fine with the sausages and bacon but then he couldn't help himself and had to fertilise the eggs.
Caused an awful fuss and the neighbour's had to call the cops!
Here's a start for you. And this is from 2015. You've not been paying attention.
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ied-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures
Labour's policies were an issue. However, everything we've seen since last night suggests they were dwarfed as a problem by both Corbyn and Brexit.
The question is how much of an issue would they be if a competent (or even, dare one hope, vaguely popular) leader was fronting them in a context less dominated by Brexit? Or indeed a context instead dominated by the ineviatble struggles that will come from the Tory-made Brexit? I'm not sure you can gather from last night that Labour's policies were so intolerable as to be dead in the water. The election's two prime factors have distorted everything else too much for that kind of analysis to have a clear answer imo.
Labour will need a more moderate leader and likely more moderate policies to win a general election but I'm not convinced the shift has to be so huge. Of course that may still prove too much of a shift for the party's ideologues.
How else could you vote Tory? Either that or they have the brain capacity of a cabbage. Or both.
What happened to the youthquake? Will be interesting to see if any patterns can be discerned from the data regarding the age of who voted for what party (generally speaking)
As always it is vastly overblown and overhyped. As always it is a damp squib.
What is this?
Johnson won the election fair and square. You can't protest every time an election doesn't go your way. All it does is push people further away.
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Johnson won the election fair and square. You can't protest every time an election doesn't go your way. All it does is push people further away.
I thought the Caf was quiet tonight!
As long as you understand your hypocrisy, that's cool.
Yeah obviously more older people would vote but after the events of the last few years i'm surprised it hasn't had a more meaningful impact. According to what i just looked at it looks as if 57% of 18-24yo and 52% of 25-34yo voted Labour.
I wonder how many people of those age groups didn't vote?
I have this mischievous idea that the vaunted ‘cold wet evening’ stuff that was supposed to put off the elderly actually had the opposite effect....that all the old biddies just put on their winter coats and went out voting, whereas the younger ones said, “feck that, not going outside in that, it’s freezing!”
There's also the FPTP factor to consider - I'd imagine a lot of younger voters would either be excessively concentrated around student cities or metropolitan hubs which favour Labour anyway.
That says nothing of the sort.
Not really mischievous. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that lower turnout and bad weather usually favours the Tories. Many of the elderly would have already submitted their votes through the post.
Don't know the exact figures on turnout but if it is high that wouldn't surprise me. The questionnaire about Corbyn and Brexit being the two major reasons people didn't vote for Labour sound about right. Here there have been plenty of interviews with northern constituencies that switched, and some of them said they switched because of Brexit, some said they didn't vote at all as they couldn't vote the Tories and couldn't stand Corbyn, while others said they switched to the Brexit Party for similar reasons and because Labour didn't stand for the democratic vote.
I think people underestimate how much the constant barrage of insults from the younger generations winds them up. It makes them even more determined to get out and vote to say 'feck you'. Certainly seems that way from my parents and their friends.
There were posts in this thread delighted at the crap weather and the supposed effect it would have stopping the elderly voting. Which is a bit of a shitty attitude anyway tbh. So I do find it amusing the idea the opposite might well have happened
According to polling the youth support for Corbyn had been deteriorating for quite a while, from 65% thinking he would be the best PM in 2017 to just 35% by the end of 2018. Which was little surprise given his Brexit policy during that period was horrendous from their point of view. By October 2019 youguv polling had 18-24 year olds preferring Johnson to Corbyn as prime minister, despite them strongly favouring Labour over the conservatives.
All of which is to say, an unmotivated Labour youth vote wouldn't be a huge shock to me.
If you want bury your head in the sand, ignore the stark reality in front of your eyes, dispute any data that logically follows then so be it, that's on you. Whatever helps you sleep at night after contributing to the deaths of thousands of people.
120,000 additional deaths
if 1% of those are related to Tory Austerity, Tory Austerity has killed 1,200 people
Yup, suspect there’s a lot of truth in that
In 2017 lots of people (strangely, given his length of time in politics) saw Corbyn as a blank canvass and ascribes to him their own ambitions. I met so many people who thought he was pro EU. The mask slipped between 2017-2019.
This kind of schtick wont work any more.
Anyways Conservatives have said they will significantly raise investment into NHS. I don't like BJ as much as the next guy, but Im prepared now to give him his chance and see how he does, especially for these types of people whom you describe and who voted for him.
If the UK had already left the EU there would have been no election last night.
And last night was hardly a coup - a shambles from a Labour perspective, perhaps, but hardly a coup from a Tory perspective. Shooting fish in a barrel more like.
3.2% is just about enough to continue as things are (3.2% increase is eaten up by inflation and increasing demands)
Labour offered 4.3%
Health Foundation wanted 5.0%
Anyone know what the Redcafe equivalent forum/discussion board is for Labour party enthusiasts? I want to join.
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And yet that's what the country voted for. Time you blamed voters!!
3.2% is just about enough to continue as things are (3.2% increase is eaten up by inflation and increasing demands)
Labour offered 4.3%
Health Foundation wanted 5.0%
Here's a good one...my Mum, who's 78, didn't vote yesterday because she was recovering from an operation she just had at Whipps Cross hospital. She said she was disappointed because she wanted to vote for Boris and believed everything on TV about him and how bad Corbyn is.
Glad you still have some humour
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