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Is Pogba as good as gone?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Raiola gave interview which is obviously to put pogba in good light as whole football World revolves around ManUtd.
No, really? Ive seen quotes about the system and the players, anything else?
We love Raiola now or?
It's a big interview, tbf it was decent interview. He talked about SAF and how ManUtd are so different post SAF.No, really? Ive seen quotes about the system and the players, anything else?
We love Raiola now or?
With Riaola's quotes being very interesting, diving onto United's heirarchy like that, I can see him pushing more towards United, with rumours of Saudi's incoming, and becoming the sort of agent who works towards bringing players into United. Seem's farfetched I agree, but Mino is slimy enough that I'd imagine him thinking along these lines and rolling in even more bread.
Raiola urges Manchester United to play 4 4 2 with flying wingers
Not much, Raiola reading what United fans are saying, speaking same words in interview, so he is now a friend and cares for the club, Pogba now wants to stay, cause no one want to buy him, so he loves the club, want to stay but needs support. And new contract. And more image rights. And bigger marketing, and less playing minutes preferably. Until some club calls on the phone..
If Pogba wants a new contract then give him one, at a reduced wage!!! If he wants to stay he will take it if not then sell him. To be honest I have pretty much forgotten him (as have 90% of the football world) so losing him would be no biggie.
Mino for the DOF!
You may be right about this, Riaola's made a very good living out of knowing/sensing the changes in direction of the footballing winds. In terms of Pogba's possible leaving the club, the 'handbrake' seems to have gone on fully from Riaola; either because nobody is interested in Pogba, at least until he's proved himself fit again, or because the agent has his mind on who might be taking over the Club.
Absolutely no chance of there being a third possibility, no?
Why those 3 especially if you don't mind asking?
Someone should tell him people cannot fly, unlike himself who imagines he is flying.
In terms of negativity, my observation is that their poorer performances overshadow their good ones the most. There is always a lingering distrust towards them, and the shortest string.
Mainly though, the criticism is often personal. The recurring theme of attitude and commitment always comes up with them, which is quietened with some good performances, but reoccurs if it doesn’t go well. Fred was lambasted for getting married in the summer, but there seems so little will to defend him, understand him - there was a unanimous throwing away of the player, the person etc. With Martial, it’s similar, injuries are questioned with raised eyebrows, a few bad games and half the forum have ‘had enough’ and he should leave the next summer. A week after the winner in the derby he was back to being the enemy again.
With Pogba, there isn’t even much to be said there. He was announced injured and a thread was created suggesting it was made up and he’d agreed a move to Real in January ffs. Any bad performance lingers and lingers, and there has been a sentiment of distrust since before the deal for his return was even done.
I don’t see the general ‘one of us’ treatment of them the way I see some other players. They are often spoken about as if they are here under duress, poor performances are because they care less about the club than other players, and will be good riddance when gone. Of course, when they produce their genius, we love them again for 5 minutes, but generally, I don’t get the impression that they are seen as ‘family’. More to be tolerated on the condition they are brilliant weekly, and as soon as they are not, it’s like a latent vitriol comes straight back to the surface. On the basis that I can guarantee that Pogba, Martial and Fred will continue to have some dodgy performances, I don’t see this changing much. Some people may say it’s the money they cost. Perhaps. I think Paul Pogba at least, due to the fact he’s an FA Youth Cup winner here and has spent most of his adult life in Manchester as a red would by now be taken in as ‘one of ours’, but he’s seemingly always one bad performance away from excommunication.
Interestingly, the players that Mourinho marginalized; I have a feeling that has something to do with it. Shaw too has gotten that treatment ever since he was dropped by Jose for Young.
@Rozay that is fair and hard to argue. But, all United players are in the same boat imo. Shaw is lazy, there is battering of De Gea even him being fantastic all these years.
In short, lack of success is what starts all the attacks and those 3 aren't different from the treatment that rest of the team gets.
In short, lack of success is what starts all the attacks and those 3 aren't different from the treatment that rest of the team gets.
Yea, perhaps you’re right. I agree that not being very good is bringing the worst out of many of us. I just find the ‘othering’ of certain players a little unfair is all. I think, despite De Gea’s situation with Madrid, for years, people don’t treat him like an outsider, for example.
When you say outsider, I guess you mean Pogba.
De Gea had all the support, until his form went down. Now, he becomes a target.
Paul is fantastic player, but people confuse his lack of defensive awareness with the lack of effort. He is usually among players who run the most, but he is also a moment player. Which isn't a bad thing at all, after all football is a low scoring game and he is the one who can break down any defence with moments that the rest of the team can only dream off.
In the end, his performances as a whole feed both sides of the spectrum with our set up.
Ironically (no matter what is his reason) Mino is right, he does need more support. He needs a controling mid behind him to free him and a runner in Saul (Vidal) mould. If he is to stay here the club should look in that direction.
Just have him for what he is and put him in positions where he can use his qualities the most. In his defence we haven't done that so far.
Will be very interesting to see where Ole plays him! Common sense would suggest as a number ten, but Ole likes them to press and run like a mad man... this is clearly not Pogba’s strong point! In a midfield two he’s proven to be a liability too...
Yea, Pogba mainly, but also Martial. I found it a bit distasteful reading the haste and degree to which many had turned on Fred too last summer.
With De Gea, his form was rightly questioned, but not really his commitment. Despite him ACTUALLY trying to join Madrid before. I made a comment, in jest, after one of his blunders last season saying ‘you would almost think he’s doing it on purpose at this stage’, and a mod gave me a warning/infraction or whatever they are called within minutes. They have basically waved play on for months at an open Pogba-bashing thread written to accuse him of faking his injury (with nothing to substantiate).
Right... so can you explain how he was a worse signing than Sanchez? Seems like a ridiculous statement to me
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Because he cost a billion pounds to buy and is on a shit load of money every week. Plus all the ego and controversy....been a terrible signing for Utd so far. Sanchez was always a punt, didn't have a massive transfer fee, just the wages...was always gonna be 50/50 with him, as he had a track record at Arsenal for being a bad egg. Pogba was the saviour who was coming home!
As I have repeatedly said though, if he gets his head down and starts doing the business without all the sideshow he can turn it round, because there is no doubt he can be a top class player...I dunno if he can though...I wonder if the football has become a vehicle just to sell his brand!
Here we go, racist again because a player some fans dislike is black.
Should hang your head in shame for this post man! There has never been any hint of racism in this thread and to even imply it is disgusting! I'd go as far to say that accusing folk of being racist when there is no cause is just as bad as actual racism! I'm disappointed in you man, I always held your posts in high regard.
Your defence of Pogba is admirable, but to stoop so low..It's just wrong man!
you happily throw around homophobic slurs about him though.
Are you implying we don't have racist fans?Should hang your head in shame for this post man! There has never been any hint of racism in this thread and to even imply it is disgusting! I'd go as far to say that accusing folk of being racist when there is no cause is just as bad as actual racism! I'm disappointed in you man, I always held your posts in high regard.
Your defence of Pogba is admirable, but to stoop so low..It's just wrong man!
Did the Men in Black wipe your memories of the events that took place after the penalty miss?
Suggesting that Pogba's ethnicity may play a part in the extra crusader-like venom he receives compared to players that have done worse is a legitimate concern.
This is pretty much it.
We should just take advantage of the situation, get him back in this new team and if he can get some great performances for the second half of the season he could propel us toward the top 4.
That will either spur RM or Juventus (let’s face it, they’re the only two teams who could afford him) to put a mega bid in next summer that we could use to strengthen further or he may actually buy into what Ole is doing and commit to us.
I’m not sold on him really and wouldn’t be massively sorry to see him go but I am really excited to see him playing in front of the hugely improving McT and Fred in the middle of DJ and Rashford. Could be brill.
Maybe because fans show him extreme hate.... because he’s black.
When’s the last time we’ve hated our best players for reasons such as dancing? Being injured and getting a hair cut?
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We would be mocking United if we pulled this.
Madrid have a habit of saying we didnt want him anyway when missing out on a target
Rooney ffs.
what a waste of time this is, he is happy and wants to stay anyway. Real Madrid looking pretty stupid here
Well I’m disappointed in you to as I’ve never claimed anyone in this thread as being racist or called anyone out on it. I just gave my honest opinion and the person I responded to I’m 100 percent sure wasn’t offended neither did they think I was talking about them.Should hang your head in shame for this post man! There has never been any hint of racism in this thread and to even imply it is disgusting! I'd go as far to say that accusing folk of being racist when there is no cause is just as bad as actual racism! I'm disappointed in you man, I always held your posts in high regard.
Your defence of Pogba is admirable, but to stoop so low..It's just wrong man!
But my opinions the same... and I defend Pogba more because people don’t realise that we’ve been driven to hate the guy because he’s black.
I mean we have a player as talented as KDB but fans get on his back because he’s on social media (Doing frig all by the way) and because he’s inconsistent in an inconsistent team? It don’t wash with me and I don’t think you can honestly tell me you don’t think the same.
As Rooney ever been actually hated by a large portion of the fanbase? At the end of his tenure, most thought that he was passed it but irrational hate wasn't the cause of it. With Pogba we have people making stuff up or ignoring what dozens of people that have actually played or coached him think about his personality or professionalism, I mean we still have people claiming that SAF ditched him when SAF says the opposite.
After the contract saga yes, he burned bridges with many fans. Then years later telling the world he was a midfielder stinking the place out. Fellaini, Cleverley, even Phil Jones has reportedly declined his testimonial. All because the fanbase are racists
I think that it's an overstatement, people were upset in the heat of the moment which is understandable but I don't think that it has ever turned into hatred at the exception of a small minority. And again the difference is that here we have people actually making things up about the person and his moral integrity, I don't think that it's racism because I see the same thing with Shaw on this forum.
And if I'm not mistaken the three players that you mentioned played during Rooney's testimonial.
Very well put.
That's one way of spinning it. The other is they don't need him any more with Valverde and Modric seeing them through to summer, when Odegaard will return.