I could say the same with LVG’s squad he left us... but everyone was fed up of him. Those players will stay exactly where they are at if we don’t hire a world class coach sooner than later.
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This is so true. I don't blame him at all - our future is very uncertain, not that Dortmund seem to be doing a whole lot better but they're a little more secure than us, for sure.
Pretty sure we had a "world class coach" in Jose and if anything it hurt us more thanks to his mentality.
Honestly I think this is the best the squad has looked in years with long term in mind.
The average age of the squad has dropped a lot. The young lads are being tasked with taking spots in the side and as the weeks and months go by they are doing just that.
Going into next season, Greenwood and Williams will be key players. Martial and Rashford are really starting to step up and deliver like we've cried out for for years.
Functional midfield pairing.
Solid RB.
Young is gone at the end of season. Matic will follow if we get CM's in, need the scouts and Judge to deliver on that before Matic moves on.
I truly believe man management and motivation is the single most important thing in the modern game
game style can be implemented easily
The counter attack the press, sitting deep.
Thats all down to the players and right coaches breath you which the richest teams should easily have access too
As long as u have good coaches and the right players beneath you, they will implement it and it’s the managers job to get them motivated
And I’m certain he’s a brilliant man manager hence I’m certain he’s the man for the job long term. He’s already won two leagues and regardless winning two leagues anywhere shows you have certain qualities.
Man management has never been more important, millionaires need to be handled carefully Ole seems like he can do that, it’s a transition year, I see a vision, he knows our weaknesses.
Im very very confident for next season.
game style can be implemented easily
The counter attack the press, sitting deep.
Thats all down to the players and right coaches breath you which the richest teams should easily have access too
As long as u have good coaches and the right players beneath you, they will implement it and it’s the managers job to get them motivated
And I’m certain he’s a brilliant man manager hence I’m certain he’s the man for the job long term. He’s already won two leagues and regardless winning two leagues anywhere shows you have certain qualities.
Man management has never been more important, millionaires need to be handled carefully Ole seems like he can do that, it’s a transition year, I see a vision, he knows our weaknesses.
Im very very confident for next season.
That manager got us out best league finish since SAF.
You say long term... long term for what? And when? Two years ago Pogba, Rashford, Martial, Lindelof, Bailly, Shaw, Lukaku and Mc Sauce included was below 25 and we finished second. On paper that looks just as promising as what you’ve just said above. But I’m not an idiot I knew Jose wasn’t going to develop youth and also he was finished as a tactician. So now we are in the same predicament fortunately enough but with a manager that will not take these players on any further.
So do we really stick or twist? Daniel James cannot just be relied on pace as the years go on. Ole going to improve that? AWB needs to improve attacking wise and McTomminay needs to be more tactically astute; this passion crap will only take him so fare but he’s got the brain to really dominate the best of midfielders. However non of this happens under the current manager.
I’ll thank him for his idea of how we should look when we pull the plug but he is no way good enough to get us back to a title.
We should have just have gave the job to Neil Lennon then.
That runner up place flattered us a lot! I mean, well and truly a lot!
De Gea made more saves that season than in the previous seasons with Jose and LVG. But the narrative spun is De Gea saved LVG's arse. He again made more saves last season largely thanks to our dreadful start to the season.
Long term to win a league obviously.
Ole himself might not do it but I've no doubt the squad will be in a far better state than the one he inherited from Jose.
Jose misused Rashford horribly. Martial he got some brilliant form early in season 2, then decided to over pay for under performing Sanchez and oust Martial from the side! Absolute insanity.
Is there any evidence what so ever that Ole will treat players in a similar fashion? Quite the opposite with us telling Dybal and now Haaland to get fecked with their wage demands.
Bailly never good enough and Same goes for Rom. Shaw has been terrible bar his start for LVG.
Outside of that list of players you've given, he persisted with ageing burnt out players like Valencia, Young, Matic and Fellaini over younger players chomping at the bite to take a spot.
Absolutely we stick.
These are young players that are gradually improving. There's clear evidence players are improving under him like Fred, McTominay, Martial, Rashford for example. Some obviously won't cut it, as is always the case but I think the squad is looking very healthy.
This keefy guy is gonna be the all time record redcafe poster by the Summer.
Don’t agree. But at least you actually have some good points.
By don’t agree I don’t see any style which guarantees player improvement without us just throwing money at getting better players but even then the tactics will mean they’ll look as good as Maguire (average) and like you said he’s not the man to win us a title however I can see Pochettino doing just that, which is why I want him to take over in the summer.
Of course money will have to be spent, that's a given.
What I mean is I don't expect he'll spend as recklessly as Jose did. He was basically spending for spending's sake, not selling to lower the wage bill and raise funds. He bought players like Sanchez which destroyed the morale at the club and ousted a hugely talented player in Martial. Alienated De Gea our best player the previous 4 years.
In general our games are far, far, far more enjoyable to watch than at any point under LVG or Jose! This is without our most creative outlet in Pogba as well bear in mind.
I said I'm undecided if Ole will or not, its probably more likely he won't but at this point in time, I still wouldn't rule it out. I can see Pep leaving in May if I'm honest and City falling off a bit. I think Chelsea and ourselves have a real chance to climb up the table with that in mind if Ole gets genuine support in terms of player acquisitions.
Weather its Jose, Ole or Poch... the same problems surrounding scouting and transfers remain with the board / scouting team so I honestly don't see the benefit in changing manager.
Bare in mind what a managerial change means, its a complete reset again and further time in "transition". Players Ole rates and plays, Poch might not. Playing style will change, transfer targets change...
It's simply delaying any hope of getting some kind of long term stability back.
A “world class coach” that would bin half of them off and sign Lukaku for £90m.
Btw Ole is a lot better of a manager than he gets credit for. I think he at least deserves a bit longer because his team hasn’t even properly taken shape or developed yet. Patience is required. I think we’re improving nicely so let’s just wait and see before upturning everything yet again. Give Ole a couple more players and then let’s see.
Not every world class coach is Jose Mourinho. Did Pep want Lukaku and Matic?
I’m not waiting forever for Ole to get his team shaped without him actually proving he deserves the time. like I said above Klopp warranted the faith. Being the middle of nowhere doesn’t.
I can see Pep leaving too and I do believe us and Chelsea look like we are building teams to challenge. But the way City are run I cannot seen them messing up the managerial appointments like we have.
It is called a re-build.
You need to clear players out and until you can replace with what you want there may be a temporary dip. We are replacing with young squad for the future and the consistency won’t happen over night.
And where was Pep’s City side before the chequebook came out? Could you imagine Pep with this team? I don’t think he’d be doing any better than Ole, I really don’t. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying Ole is as good of a manger as Pep, but we were a really dysfunctional mess and looked like we were in a tailspin. Personally I think the future looks bright for the club and this group of players, and Ole should get a lot of credit for his part in that.
I agree with almost every decision he’s made in terms of building and shaping the squad. He’s sold or phased out nearly all of the players we wanted him to ditch, and he’s bought and promoted all the right players too. I would definitely trust him with next summers transfers. He’s united the club and the players all love him. Personally I’m excited to see what happens once we have a couple more additions and players like Greenwood & Williams are more established. I just get a good feeling from this team right now.
That was Gerard’s last game I believe and they were straight to Dubai after the game on the lash from the ground, already downed tools for that game.
It’s fanboi blind faith. Pep built one of the best teams this league has seen your acting like he brought Messi, Marcelo and Toni Kroos. He brought Kyle Walker, Mendy and Leroy Sane. If we brought them we’d still be saying we need another £500m. Like Keefy said it’s how you spend the money.
Don’t dog out Pep just to make your point and don’t tell me about Mourinho trying to explain to me that Ole for some reason is the only manager in the world that can manage Manchester United. It’s foolish.
If you’re this deluded there no helping you, I’m sorry. I feel for you.
We're really good against the big teams and struggle against the smaller teams.
We just got two back to back good results against smaller teams that I fully expected us to lose.
If we add the right quality (big if I know) then surely the smaller team games take care of themselves and we can focus on maintaining good results against our rivals?
Doesn't seem that hard in the grand scheme of things, considering the transfer strategy clearly changed after the Sanchez debacle and we started identifying players that aren't solely there to sell shirts.
We just got two back to back good results against smaller teams that I fully expected us to lose.
If we add the right quality (big if I know) then surely the smaller team games take care of themselves and we can focus on maintaining good results against our rivals?
Doesn't seem that hard in the grand scheme of things, considering the transfer strategy clearly changed after the Sanchez debacle and we started identifying players that aren't solely there to sell shirts.
Don’t worry about me from your response back it’s quite clear who is the deluded one. I mean by all means it sounds like you don’t rate Guardiola. You’ll be telling me Sam Allydence could have been as good as SAF if he got the funds.
Well Moyes did end up as united manager hence why the comparison is not completely unfair and both have the same empty trophy cabinet.
Yes of course Harry kane is a far superior player to Yakubu. We can hardly blame moyes for not having kane in his everton team, come to think of it, poch had far superior players all over the pitch but still won nothing.
I’m defo all for Ole getting all of this season and if we don’t manage to bring in some re-inforcements in Jan i’ll Always think we could have done more if he doesn’t make it to next season. However, he’s managed to coach some ultra rapid attacking players to be a successful counter attacking force. That’s pretty much it thus far. We should be far better in possession than we are for me. Interplay pretty much sucks. I’ll go with “it’s a personnel issue” as I love Ole but anyone else and I’d be calling them out for being an average coach at this stage.
I know. I agree if you put it that way. I do.
Not anymore
Is Ole a good enough manager to challenge for the title/CL at one of the biggest clubs in the world though? I and many others get that there’s a rebuild required, but you could literally bring in any Tom, Dick or Harry to rebuild United and I’m sure they’ll bring in a few good players. If management was as easy as that David Moyes would have succeeded here. The question is if Ole can actually bring United back to the top which is far from likely from what I’ve seen so far.
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Good post. I started following Utd right at the end of the Atkinson era and saw the first few seasons under SAF, which remind me of what is happening today - a rebuild and a shed load of inconsistency.
I agree that the squad is looking much better, there is still deadwood to be removed and 3-4 good signings required (some in order to release dead wood), but overall there seems to be a sense of purpose building. The development of McTominay has been important (and plaudits to Ole for giving him a sustained opportunity) and Fred is now looking something like he ought to - I think he will improve further, too; for the future.
Mason Greenwood has the potential to be a star - he can become a higher number goal scorer than either Rashford or Martial (though those two are developing into top quality forwards and Rashford is more an 'inside forward' in old money, IMO, than a out and out striker). I've thought for a few seasons that Vardy has been arguably the most naturally gifted goal scorer in the league (as detestable a personality as he has), but Mason has the potential to exceed him, as he has better technical skills, two effective feet and supercooled blood running thought his veins when in front of goal - this is at 18 - with good luck protecting him from serious injuries, I think we seeing the emergence of a future great.
Williams is also looking like a potential first team future first choice.
The future is bright, but there are going to be some reverses on the way to being a truly competitive top 3 contender - let's keep the faith, I'm much more excited by what I'm seeing now, than during the 'bounce' a year ago, when cathartic release and pure energy drove a series of victories - that (as enjoyable as it was) was not going to last, what I'm seeing now looks sustainable and a platform for the next step up into a consistently effective team.
United and Chelsea are both in a similar transition. There was a lot of love around here for Chelsea in the beginning of the season, but obviously both teams will be inconsistent this year. OGS may not be the manager in two years. But what he is doing is laying a pretty good foundation for the future. It is a completely different thing taking over a good foundation with potential to improve then taking over the train wreck toxic Jose Mourinho left behind.
No one knows the answer to that but for the first time since SAF, if he does go in two years time, the squad will be a hell of a lot better than when he took over. Sacking him in the mean time will just disrupt the process and I dont think anyone in the world is going to come in and win us the league in the next two seasons so why not let Ole have a crack at it.
For me the biggest issue is the lack of quality,creativity and composure in the midfield.If Pogba stays fit until the end of the season then that should help us tide over this season,but if he leaves next summer then that’s a huge hole in the heart of our central midfield.So finding the right balance in our midfield is by far the biggest issue that we are facing right now...
Apart from the midfield I also think we need more variety in our attack.We need a centre forward who can hold the ball up and play with his back to goal against teams who play with a low block.Martial can do it to a certain extent but he needs to be far more consistent if he wants to seal the number 9 slot for the next few years...
Solskjaer won't be here in three two years time, he's not a United level manager. The whole scenario with Haaland also points to players having a lack of desire to play under his tenure. We need a more established coach to lead this team forward. We have underperformed massively since he was given the permanent role and if anyone thinks otherwise Solskjaer has even admitted this himself.
Wouldn’t be the worst thing. A lot of what they say is on the right lines. At worst, a touch overly optimistic, but certainly not irrational, thick and prone to a tantrum. They also have a basic command of English, which is an increasingly pleasing sight to the eye.
How is the Mourinho team terrible and a trainwreck when it ended in second place the season before?
I know the confidence and structure got destroyed near the end, but Ole lifted that from the start.
Although the lack of attacking patterns and a good style has cost us with time.
I know the confidence and structure got destroyed near the end, but Ole lifted that from the start.
Although the lack of attacking patterns and a good style has cost us with time.
You don’t know any of this.
We’re a mediocre side producing mediocre results, Solskjaer can’t say that can he? We missed a bunch of penalties at the start of the season and have battered teams and still dropped points so perhaps we could be doing better if the on field decision making was better.
Fergie missed out on many, many players, like Zidane, Ronaldinho or Thuram, and that was after winning the treble. So maybe that speaks volumes about what players think of his management tenure also?
you think Ferguson was a great tactician, he absolutely wasn’t, he brought quieroz phelan etc, the Neil Lennon comment lazy. Even phelan said he was basically running the club at one point
you obviously need credentials Ole has won two leagues and if you look intothis achievement in detail you won’t right it off by sayin “oh yh Norwegian league”.
im not Ole in or Ole out. I just think he should be given until summer 2021 before making any rash decisions.
I totally agree with his transfer strategy so far he’s had pogba and martial out for most of the season he’ll he’s over performing.
A top 6 finish would do me this season then push for top 3 in 2021.
It’s very frustrating I know changing things won’t help
Sorry, but that's exactly what you are saying. If Lewis Hamilton was at Williams Mercedes(the worst team in the F1 standings), do you believe he would finish last? I'm sure he wouldn't compete for the first place, but I'm also sure he wouldn't finish last. Also, if George Russel(the last place in the standings) would drive Hamilton's car, do you believe he would finish first? If you believe that Hamilton would be last while Russel would be first, that means F1 is all about building the best car and drivers have no bearing on the results. The same could be said about football, if it's all about buying players and building a very good squad, why are the clubs giving astronomical wages to managers? Surely they can use those funds on buying even more world class players.
A total misreading of the situation. Effective managers have to be able to develop and improve players. Top level coaching is a heavily intuitive process. How you read players, motivate and handle them differently, create tension to spur performance etc... This is all enhanced by a winning environment. So, besides having an abject recruitment and academy strategy/structure, the conditions for young player development through the first team are non-existent. So just throwing away seasons with a totally inadequate coach is an asinine plan...risking players' opportunities to improve, resulting more likely in stagnation or regression. EW, aided by OGS, has successfully lowered the standards and expectations. People are content with basic signings at this point, when there's maybe only 3 quality outfield players (at current levels) who would make up a starting XI league winning side. If you bring in a top coach, you know that players will grow and improve.
One year? Forever? Please. This is not Football Manager. Hadn't Klopp won CL least year and his team were beating everyone now (except us) you wouldn't even bring him up and you would say he was waste of time.
So are we or are we not rebuliding? So if you can see that and you know what happened last 5-6 years you would be over the moon looking att what is happining right now.
Well, I think that no club would be pleased with just buying Walker, Mendy and Sane. Neither ManCity who also (under Guardiola) bought Rodri, Mahrez, Laporte, Stones, Silva, Ederson, Jesus, Danilo, Gundogan, Cancelo, Nolito, Zinchenko and more. Spent almost 1 billion despite inherited lots of stars.
So now it is Solskjaers fault Haaland signed for Dortmund? What's next? Solskajer fault for temperature rise? His fault for war in middle east? I'm impressive how far anti-Ole brigade has come. No thinking whatsoever how and what the team and club looked like one year ago. And what Solskjaer has done to improve it.
That Neil Lennon comment was lazy but you want me to sit hear and read that Solskjaer can emulate success like a SAF because he won two Norwegian titles?
Which comment really is the lazy one?
That's the benchmark? SAF?
No sane person would expect anyone to emulate what he did.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer will never win a premier league title. I’ll make a bet with you right now if you think differently and we can both wait this out in real life not FM like that means anything to me. Haven’t played that game since 08
Worst start ever in the premier league what exactly should I be over the moon about
Have a breather compose yourself and explain to me why you have just provided me with Pep’s transfer catalogue over 4 seasons. If Ole was to last that like, we can all pray he’s doesn’t he would too have a similar catalogue. Shock horror clubs with money spend money
I didn’t want him anyway as we need midfielders and was baffled why we keep getting linked with strikers to add to the limited service they are given. All Solskjaer has some is knock down a wall he ain’t building sh*t.