Well he needs more faith, more time and more money. At minimum he needs 6 transfer windows.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Why do you belive OGS does not have a plan? Anything he said or done. There is no style? Based on what, not winning enough? There's obviously a game plan. Successful or not. Look at the squad. He can hardly field an XI every game compareable to anyone in the top 4. We're 5th.
Spurs can't be counted? Come on..
Chelsea are excused because of the transfer ban? Why, their squad is so much worse then ours? What about Wolves and Sheffield?
He is on his 3rd window. there is nothing that shows there is improvement.
Everyone wanted Olé to succeed. He's a club legend, he has it's best interests at heart, he has a vision.
He simply lacks the ability to execute it.
He's too emotive when it comes to decision making. He thinks that because Fergie stuck with a (ridiculously good) group of youth players, he needs to do the same. No. Sticking with Jesse Lingard is inexcusable. He hasn't done his job in over a year, it's ridiculous to play him in any form. We've all seen the stats, surely Olé has.
Sticking with a broken system is unforgivable, especially when it's hampering the development of ACTUAL decent footballers. Greenwood doesn't start these games - presumably in a bit to 'protect' him... yet he's regularly brought off the bench when we're chasing a win in some sort of hail mary roll of the dice. That's really helping his development Olé, cheers.
He's had a year, it hasn't worked. I don't know who is the man for the job, but it's clear that Olé isnt.
That said, he's probably got the safest job in the PL, he is a human shield for the Glazers & Woodward, a 'yes' man to their whims, protected by the 'top red' brigade who STILL think a decent into mid-table mediocrity is more noble than wanting what's best for the club.
His win percentage would have seen him sacked by any other club, except the money men at OT who care not about win percentages, but more about profit margins.
If he gives Lingard a contract extension & markets him as a "new signing", I'm giving up my season ticket.
He simply lacks the ability to execute it.
He's too emotive when it comes to decision making. He thinks that because Fergie stuck with a (ridiculously good) group of youth players, he needs to do the same. No. Sticking with Jesse Lingard is inexcusable. He hasn't done his job in over a year, it's ridiculous to play him in any form. We've all seen the stats, surely Olé has.
Sticking with a broken system is unforgivable, especially when it's hampering the development of ACTUAL decent footballers. Greenwood doesn't start these games - presumably in a bit to 'protect' him... yet he's regularly brought off the bench when we're chasing a win in some sort of hail mary roll of the dice. That's really helping his development Olé, cheers.
He's had a year, it hasn't worked. I don't know who is the man for the job, but it's clear that Olé isnt.
That said, he's probably got the safest job in the PL, he is a human shield for the Glazers & Woodward, a 'yes' man to their whims, protected by the 'top red' brigade who STILL think a decent into mid-table mediocrity is more noble than wanting what's best for the club.
His win percentage would have seen him sacked by any other club, except the money men at OT who care not about win percentages, but more about profit margins.
If he gives Lingard a contract extension & markets him as a "new signing", I'm giving up my season ticket.
So he's only halfway there, and we have improved, we are 5th. He needs at least 6 transfer windows to get us top 4.
Don't forget Mike Smalling. Mike to Roma was Ole doing him a favor to find a nicer place to live. Good guy.
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Fantastic?
This is fabricated by the OP! it was just 3 games! Barca 3-0, Everton 4-0 and Man City 2-0. We drew 1-1 the proceeding 2 games. 270 mins not 500!
Am I supposed to counter this? You're making stuff up. You seem to come to conclusions based on very little evidence
I believe that because we have been to SU, Newcastle, West Ham, Watford, Arsenal, Bournemouth, Southampton and got battered off the park in all of those games. How many teams have we played off the park? None.
That is his fault too for not not getting enough players in.
Spurs can be counted, they having a terrible season in 4 and not far from us.
Chelsea are 5 points ahead of us, given that at the start of the season even you would have doubted their squad.
SU and Wolves are not struggling.
What makes you think he has a plan? In my opinion he is a media puppet and one who is hypocritical.
There is absolutely no reason to give Ole time. You can give time if you see some direction, some goal, or some style that needs time or players to be successful, simply you can give some time if theres a work that needs to be finished. But thats not Ole´s case at all.
We have absolutly no style of play, our defence for 200 mil. dollars doesnt work at all, our midfield simply doesnt exist, our forwards are like day and night and theres nothing to build on. Are we trying to press? Or are we playing in a deep block? Are we attacking through full backs, through short passes, crosses, are we trying to play with pivot? What is our prefered formation? 433, 532, 4231, 4141? What is our prefered or strongest starting XI? Why is Lingard still playing? Why is Lindelof still up there? What is actually our goal this season? What is the 3 years plan Ole still talks about?
This just doesnt work and we are losing time and money.
We have absolutly no style of play, our defence for 200 mil. dollars doesnt work at all, our midfield simply doesnt exist, our forwards are like day and night and theres nothing to build on. Are we trying to press? Or are we playing in a deep block? Are we attacking through full backs, through short passes, crosses, are we trying to play with pivot? What is our prefered formation? 433, 532, 4231, 4141? What is our prefered or strongest starting XI? Why is Lingard still playing? Why is Lindelof still up there? What is actually our goal this season? What is the 3 years plan Ole still talks about?
This just doesnt work and we are losing time and money.
We finished 2nd, and 5th the season before. What improvement is there?
Have we scored more goals? conceded less? we are at the same level we were a year ago when he took over.
6 windows to get top 4? you must be joking. Rodgers as got Leicester challenging in 1 window.
Pep took 2 windows to build a title winning team
Chelsea will probably challenge with 2 windows.
6 windows to challenge for top 4? So what we will need 6 years to challenge for the title?
Talk about ambition.
Nope, there's nothing to counter. Your opinion is that 2 of the best managers we've seen, both CL winning and multiple league winning managers couldn't do better than Ole with this United side.
It's your opinion, you need not counter.
Finishing 4th is only a commercial objective. It's not indicative of improving and progressing toward challenging for the league. Just ask Arsenal about how all those top 4s meant anything in regard to it being a stepping stone to winning titles. It just stacks the coffers.
They have only one way of playing that's been moderately successful in a fluky kind of way, and that's to counterattack. That's not getting you anywhere near wining leagues or CLs.
31 points after 21 games would put you around
9th in 2009
7th in 2010
8th in 2011
8th in 2012
9th in 2013
9th in 2014
8th in 2015
8th in 2016
8th in 2017
7th in 2018
What a plan!
They have only one way of playing that's been moderately successful in a fluky kind of way, and that's to counterattack. That's not getting you anywhere near wining leagues or CLs.
31 points after 21 games would put you around
9th in 2009
7th in 2010
8th in 2011
8th in 2012
9th in 2013
9th in 2014
8th in 2015
8th in 2016
8th in 2017
7th in 2018
What a plan!
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What is the actual point of getting top 4 if we wont even get out the group stages is the Champions League. Pointless.
Think you need to find a pinch of salt.
No I am saying our manager is bang average, newbie.
And given it is being averaged by an average manager of course the team can do better. You know, if it was being managed well and all that. Alien concept, I know.
I think that guy is taking the piss.
The worst thing is I don’t think we’ll even sack him at the end of the season if we fail to finish top 4 which has been the remit for all previous managers.
Counterattacking moves are undeniably exciting but one of the biggest names in football should really be dominating matches, not relying on counterpunches because the team is too inept and unskilled to dominate others.
I think Ole has a remit of finishing in top half.
Convince the fans all is looking good for the future, not deliver next season being 15th at Christmas get sacked and the same follows for the new manager.
Not many teams have batterd us off the park. We've won convincingly in a few games.
Maybe it's his fault. Maybe not all his fault. Maybe part of a plan. Maybe many things. Money, type of player, etc etc
I'm not impressed with Chelseas squad. But even me? I don't know. I think they have a better squad then we do.
SU and Wolves are doing fine. No one expected more from them I belive.
If you want, read what I wrote earlier. I don't know, go further back if you're really into it.
"media puppet and one who is hypocritical", Based on what?
Yep, standards are slowly dropping year after year and there’s people out there trying to convince us it’s progress.
He's just had to play Fred for 360 minutes over the festive period without rest because he has feck all else to rotate in midfield but sure call him a novice, inept or whatever else while he's being kneecapped at every step by a collection of clowns behind the scenes.
Very good. I got nothing.
I think you will see that SU, West Ham, Bournemouth, Arsenal played us off the park. We have not done that to any team this season.
Yes you have made valid points earlier but I feel he is out of his depth.
Hypocritical? he wants his team to run the most? do we no?
He has been, but he knew two midfielder had gone and did not kick up a fuss when he didn't get new ones in. He is protecting his job, but putting it in jeopardy at the same time.
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Exactly, one poster responded saying he needs 6 transfer windows to compete for top 4. That should say it all.
We call him that because:
Poga did not need to start the league cup game in September
Rashford, Martial v Colchester too. He does not know how to rotate players like other managers.
Sure he's inexperienced but this is why other clubs have capable DoFs to guide managers from making such mistakes.
He has feck all to rotate with, which was my initial point. This is one of the weakest squads in recent memory for any big club.
Very well, you might be correct. I don't know.
We have ran a lot in some games. But look at our squad. We won't do that game after game. Most of that stuff is trained and worked at during the off season. And we need a stronger squad and capable players for those tactics.
I agree the squad is thin, but that begs the question why are we not doing everything we can to get players in? Surely the manager should have enough about him to say to Ed I need players urgently.
It took Liverpool 1 week to sort the Minamino deal, prior to the window opening.
We have known this squad is thin for months, especially in CM. Everyone knows Pogba could leave, why not identify targets and get them in early doors?
He's been a manager for ten years. Frank Lampard is inexperienced. Ole's problem is he is not good enough for a top job, which is why he was at Cardiff and Molde. He is grasping at the past, when that has gone and he doesn't know how to manage in the modern age.
He is desperately trying to build his CO92, except he wants to buy most of them in and they are nowhere near the level of the CO92.
Oh yes there is. Here's the actual stats:
But I mean why stop there? If we're being sensationalist why not just say "Solskjaer has a 0% win rate this year". At least make an agenda clear if you're going to mislead people.
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I know what the stat is and I don’t believe it is misleading. Since being given the job, Ole has managed the team less successfully than he did at Cardiff.
I agree. We should have had more options in midfield. But there is no evidence this is on OGS alone. But the money involved, the importance to finally get things right. Probably many factors we don't know.
Garner, Gomez, Williams could have all played in League Cup games. He's sanctioning the offloading of chunks of the midfield and attack force, expecting Ed Woodward to complete 6 transfers in one window??? There are just so many layers to his incompetence. The standards are so low that people think we had a good last window. Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs are not spending 15 million on championship players. We were in competition with Leeds for James.
So Ole has the worst win rate in nearly 40 years
So what's his win rate as permanant manager? That's as relevant a statistic as any other one.
And you're painfully wrong yet again. Ole having a 0% win rate this calendar year would be based on one football match and hence not very important. Ole having a pathetic win record since being appointed permanant manager would be extremely important given it would spread over 7-8 months which is clearly a material portion of time. Sadly you're highlighting your own agenda here at being so overly sensitige and defensive over an obviously relevant and meaningful statistic that shows up our managers non-peformance. The only reason it's supposedly 'misleading' is becuase it goes against your view. It's like a manager finishing 19th performing terribly and people pointing to the 10 games he had in the previous season demanding it also be taken into account.
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