Physical alterations among fans should never be condoned. Not sure how I'm the one talking shite in this case.Talking out your arse mate.
Dont make it out I'm defending kids in danger ffs
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So what you are saying is it's just a lovely day out for them with their mates at the pub. You go to a football match and football is just a small part. Dont forget that the "armchair fan" has the benefit of replays, commentary and analysis so I would argue that their opinion is more informed then the match going supporters.
It's a start I agree but who are we trying to replace them with? Ed admitted himself that he struggles to get 2 signings done in a window never mind the 7 or 8 players we need. Academy players thrown in to the deep end is certainly not the solution.
Well let me be first. If we don't bring in 1or 2 players this window, I will stop travelling over to games for rest of this season.
Now we need about 70,000 others to do same.
Now we need about 70,000 others to do same.
Better prepare your newfound free time, we will sign jack shit.
Exactly. He may be a success commercially but what the owners need to realise is lack of success on the pitch eventually leads to lack of success off the pitch, with sponsors pulling out, and less money coming from champions League etc. The two go hand in hand, as commercial success allows us to get the best players and coach available and move on from there.
No arguments here. We desperately need new players.
People have paid out for season tickets. No chance that they are going to waste that. If a message needs to be sent, we will see it at renewal time.
I am not saying the manager is good enough. This is not football manager mate, thanks for naming the players but has it ever occurred to you that the player would have to be willing to come to Manutd?
Rabiot - Wanted Juventus
Hazard - Is he an upgrade to Rashford?
Brandt - Went to Dortmund couldnt get into first team and is now moved to Benfica.
Fekir - Injury prone
Barella - How good is he do you know? Have you ever seen him play?
Haaland - Clearly didnt want to come to Manutd.
I think you need to do better than that. You can't force a player to join United.
How many of the players have you watched play if any~?
I'm just giving you an examples of players that moved for relatively low fee that we can use and are most probably an upgrade to what we have.
Hazard - can play alongside him.
Fekir played more than 150 games in the last four seasons so that injury prone nonsense has to stop. I know about those concerns but so far he has been ok in that department and especially at that price.
Brandt might have had problems with adjusting but is a quality player.
Barella - yes I watch Inter from time to time (because of Conte not Lukaku and actually making the Serie A interesting for a while).
Haland - if I was him I wouldn't want to play under League One manager either.
It doesn't have to be those players and I'm not paid to recruit players, but there are ton of players playing on the continent that can improve us on decent fees, or you don't agree with that?
I know what you are saying and agree.
If I was a young player like the ones you have mentioned, why would you come to United? money is the only reason.
if you are moving clubs at 22/23 you want to know what is happening, a business plan?
Do United have one ? No.
Are there players that can improve us? absolutely, but we have a scouting network that is pure lazy and a board who cannot do anything.
If there was a player available for £20m, would you trust Woody to get them for less than £60m? No.
I give you an example: Dembele was priced at £60m in the summer apparently, in the January window where allegdly it is hard to do business you can get him for £50m.
So we agree at the end - the scouting network sucks and so does the board(Ed) when it comes to negotiation
Ole of course is a big part of the so called 'plan', so removing him will be a step in the right direction.
New coaching staff, new scouting network, new manager - those will be great improvements right away.
I don't think Ole is up to snuff, but sacking him will not suddenly make us challenge.
The club's setup, with Woodward in charge, is dooming us to failure.
Would disagree there about top managers refusing us, top managers still go to the likes of Chelsea, PSG and real Madrid knowing how trigger happy they are to sack a manager after just 1 season even if they do moderately well.
Then look at clubs like Leicester, Atletico Madrid, inter Milan, spurs (potchettino appointment) and Napoli who have been mid table sides that hired the right guy.
There's plenty of good managers out there that would love to challenge themselves at United or in the premier league and there is a massive amount of managers out there that would be a far better upgrade on ole, even the likes of Mourinho and van Gaal who were/are way past their best and uninspired appointments, were still better than Solskjear and had/have some pull of making it appealing to join United.
A Lot of people in here apparently wants to boo our players. But are they really the problem? It would be interpreted as if it is the players that are the problem, but I think they're already giving their all. Its the owners and the lack of good decisions we want to criticize. While it'd probably feel good to boo Lingard, we wouldnt be directing our frustrations at the right guy. Those guys sit further back the chain who allows our historic club to be cool with players of Lingard's level.
Personally I think we should do some sort of common action alltogether. Like all doing some symbolic stuff at the same time, like the Green and Gold campaign or how another (basket ball?) club threw a thousand tennisballs onto the field at the same time. Or maybe do something at a certain symbolic minute of the match. That's the only way for me to express our frustration onto the owners and Woodward and also for the media to understand what it specifically is about and echo our frustration so it'd generate real pressure aimed at the right people.
It could be in the 05th minute to make a reference to '05 when the Glazers took over. We need some sort of thing we can all do at once that symbolises bad decisions and carelessness from the Glazers with our club. Dont be shy to contribute - feel free to chip in with ideas
Personally I think we should do some sort of common action alltogether. Like all doing some symbolic stuff at the same time, like the Green and Gold campaign or how another (basket ball?) club threw a thousand tennisballs onto the field at the same time. Or maybe do something at a certain symbolic minute of the match. That's the only way for me to express our frustration onto the owners and Woodward and also for the media to understand what it specifically is about and echo our frustration so it'd generate real pressure aimed at the right people.
It could be in the 05th minute to make a reference to '05 when the Glazers took over. We need some sort of thing we can all do at once that symbolises bad decisions and carelessness from the Glazers with our club. Dont be shy to contribute - feel free to chip in with ideas
Unless every match goer stops going, and every United fan refuses to pay for any tv deals, then the board won't give a toss. They're largely not even based in this country or even around.
Green and gold until the .... momentum totally runs out and people realise nothing changed...
Green and gold until the .... momentum totally runs out and people realise nothing changed...
Thank you for the answer.
I reply you here so we can focus on the topic without being affected too much by the Ole in or Ole out brigade.
Agree with what you said. However imo as any protest we should have one focal point only. More and it'd be less effective.
For example if fans show up with posters saying both "Ed out" and "Ole out" then the message would be quite confusing and less effective than "Ed out & New DoF" imo.
I said great manager with a serious football project.
And it's different between "trigger happy" and "shit state with clueless board". One thing is if you can't do your job, you out, your fault, fair enough. Other thing is you won't be able to do your job, but it's because the board is clueless, doesn't give your enough support, overwrite your decision or just make bad decision.
Football management has evolved a lot lately. Time of a manager with absolute power on almost everything from transfers to the personal of the club like SAF is over. Football has became a very complex business, nowadays a club of Utd size is like a global multi billions corporation.
Managers are just coaches today imo, they are hired just to manage the first team and probably take part in other areas, but not to run the whole club like before. You can say they are just the most important department chief in the corporation. Without the other departments and the whole corporation well run, it's just almost impossible to them to do their job properly.
The funny thing is that we can probably edge things out with barely firing anyone, at least at first. I mean, if the Glazers are serious about the project then they would move Woodward in what he does best (ie making money), they would then hire a CEO who understand football (Marotta?), a DOF (Campos? Rangnick?), and a new head of recruitment (Mitchell?). If we're able to bring in a new top manager in January then fine, if not Ole could stay till summer when he's promoted to board level as deputy CEO. Some might say Ole would want to remain in football management, however, after fecking up at United and Cardiff there's hardly great prospects for him on that camp which makes the deputy CEO role quite attractive to him. Meanwhile Phelan will remain as the new manager's assistant with the task of bringing in some continuity between the old and the new. Unlike Carrick and Mckenna he's got the experience and football know of how a top club is run having previously worked with a real manager on top of his game.
The new manager will be part of a continuity plan rather then having to start from scratch as its always done by United. Thanks to Ole and Phelan he'd have a clear indication of who are the rotten apples, what needs to be done etc. By summer the DOF and head of recruitment would have the time to at least get rid off some of the deadwood and have 2-3 signings ready. In time changes will be made at youth level, coaching etc, with the manager and the DOF bringing in people whose got experience in the role rather then jobs for the boys.
What I struggle to understand is, if really want a change, why is there no massive protest every week against Woodward and Glazers or are most of our stadium going fans simply photo clicking tourists?
Can't agree more. My thought on Ed is exactly the same, just let the guy does what he's best at and let the football matters to someone else better.
By reading the posts in this thread it seems we have all agreed that Ed is the biggest culprit and remove him from the football side would probably the initial solution for our mess here. Now it's time for action.
Protesting online is a joke and useless. And boycotting is not a good idea either imo since no clear message is delivered. Some banner, poster, anything with something like "CluelED, new DoF is a must" or "Ed, you ain't know shit about football" would deliver a much stronger, clearer message. The media surely would jump in and then we're heard. And we won't stop until we get at least a new DOF.
Regardless what type of fan we are, where we live, your point on protesting etc. one thing must be in common about us: we all love Utd and all want to see Utd winning and flying again. So, dear match going fans, please do something. Otherwise another 10 years goes by and we'd be sinking into oblivion, weeping and mourning over our glorious past.
This post solved it. This thread can be closed now. Nothing more to see, here
:hattip:Oh, I like this idea, VERY MUCH! For as long as the "small private part" means his fecking brains or his soul, because otherwise it's not nice to criticize people for their physical shortcomings.
Your bar is way too high, mate. I bet 2/3 or United board could not explain to you what an "offside" means. They don't even understand football, let alone care for it.
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You are misrepresenting or are confused about some of the critical facts, there.
Up until 2013, the chief executive of Manchester United was David Gill - an amazing person, that Woodward isn't worthy of shining the shoes of. That made all the difference, not just the manager. The board was also somewhat different.
Also, worth noting that the club was initially owned by papa Glazer. He had slightly more brains than his clueless offsprings who got in charge after his decline in health and eventual death. So there is that as well.
Whilst Gill was infinitely better than Woodward, he was not the one who had a say who we buy and who we don't - he was in charge of getting deals done and we still had many that were drawn over the line and generally did business late compared to other teams. Also our scouting network at the time was still nothing special and our "gems" that we unearthed were the likes of Tosic, Bebe, Ljajic, Obertan and the likes.
As for papa Glazer - Buccaneers demise began in 08 and they are still to make a playoff appearance - goes to show the way he handled a sport that he knew better.
Of course Gill had a big part in the management but you can't argue that when it comes to the footballing side, especially for United it always has been 90% the manager (in the last 30 years at least).
And he also seems to forget that there was someone called SAF and all that 5 titles were won by that gentleman
Would we ever get another SAF and that SAF would send us flying again under the current circumstance ? How many percent out of 100 % you think both that would happen tbh?
If the match going fans do nothing, it's all doom and gloom I'm afraid. Better accept the reality and live with it, as someone already said above, it's better for your mental health.
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You are correct that SAF was in charge of transfer decisions but the point is - Gill didnt override him and was able to get his desires done most of the time. Two things Woodward doesn't do - he got in the ways of coaches like LvG and Mourinho, and has consistently failed at handling various deals
Papa Glazer suffered a stroke in 2006, after which his idiot kids managed to fire an amazing coach they had, so Bucaneers demise by 2008 makes total sense, timewise. Not sure what you tried to prove there
No argument there, still neither Woodward, nor Gill were in charge in identifying targets which is one segment we are clearly lacking.
United takeover happened in 05 and as you mentioned his health didn't allow him to contribute much in our successful seasons so I don't know why you brought it up in the first place as it isn't really a factor.
In an ideal world an empty Old Trafford would send a strong message and would surley rattle the Glazers. The problem is that our club is a world wide brand as well as a beloved club on a local, national and a global level. Even if there is a huge amount of people protesting outside of Old Trafford there still is a large number of "so called sandwich" supporters (maybe a harsh word) that paid to visit the stadium and watch the match (and arrived from all parts of the World). Imagine coming to Old Trafford for the first time just to be encouraged to boycott the match? Booing players that are simply not good enough doesn't have much purpose in my book.
How about some posters?
You don't need to boycott, you don't need to boo, you just need to sit there with your poster.
I hear you mate but in order to express our general opinion every single person needs to pay the match ticket and I'm afraid that's the only thing the Glazers care about.
The point is it would be really hard, even impossible to organise mass boycott atm imo.
All I ask for is next time some match going fans here go to the match, please carry with you some posters so the media, the world could hear our voice. This would work or not, I've no idea. However do something is much better than just moaning here I guess.
Congratulations for your stance.
I think instead of watching the game, fans should all turn and stare at Woodward, wherever he is sitting, the entire game as if waiting for him to do something.
Beats watching the game.
We don't control anything. The only thing controlling our destiny is the gypsy curse. The fans didn't cause the dire capitulation of almost every incoming player. £686.7m has been spent on transfers over the last seven years.
Fellaini, Mata, Herrera, Shaw, Rojo, Di Maria, Blind, Falcao, Valdes, Depay, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Romero, Martial, Bailly, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Lindelof, Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez, Dalot, Fred and Grant.
Read that list again.
We either blame a gypsy curse or we blame our "scouts" or whoever signed that dross. Fek me. Even the Glazers can escape blame in this horror show of money wasted.
Fellaini, Mata, Herrera, Shaw, Rojo, Di Maria, Blind, Falcao, Valdes, Depay, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Romero, Martial, Bailly, Ibrahimovic, Mkhitaryan, Pogba, Lindelof, Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez, Dalot, Fred and Grant.
Read that list again.
We either blame a gypsy curse or we blame our "scouts" or whoever signed that dross. Fek me. Even the Glazers can escape blame in this horror show of money wasted.
A lot of waste there alright, but we still have more deadwood to get rid of.
I just would like to wholeheartly thank our match going fans. If we don't do something, our club will be doomed for the next decade at least. Extremely happy and grateful after listening to your chants last match.
Thank you very much again, please keep up your great work.
The Stretford End rocks
Thank you very much again, please keep up your great work.
The Stretford End rocks
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I don't know how to feel about this club any longer. Maybe all those years hovering in mediocrity have begun to take its toll on me. You can place the blame on the ownership, board, management, or players, whatever... there's no passion in it anymore. Protests? Chants? Boycotting? None of that matters to the people involved in the day-to-day operations. I'm just going to enjoy my occasional football and cheer for the underdogs and until the ship gets righted, root for no particular team (or some foreign team).
Seriously dude, it’s shit now, but this is part of being a supporter. Good days and bad days. We all know we had most good days. Suck it up.
Believe me I know there are times when you go through droughts as a sports fan. When there's nothing to suggest there is light at the end of the tunnel, the frustration just gets to you. I just don't see any evidence now to suggest otherwise. I'll always cheer for United and hope good times are coming, but this atmosphere is a complete turnoff.
I don't advocate the shit treatment which Silva was given by some of our fans e.g grafitti on the walls outside the club, verbal abuse at the games etc. but it most definitely had an impact in how the board then perceived him and the direction of the club. It feels like the United fans are too 'nice' towards Ole despite him churning out some absolutely shocking results.