Has this season hit rock bottom for you yet? If no, what, in particular, will be the final nails in the coffin?

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I don’t think this is rock bottom yet, and that’s what scares me. The state of our squad and our transfer policy means going forward we’re gonna get worse before we get better. This clubs lack of ambition is why we’re spiraling out of control.

feck me, never thought a day would come where I’d look back at Wazza’s statement and think he was right.
 

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I think the loss to West Ham was the lowest point for me and it’s just kinda stayed there. One of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from a United team. The wins against Spurs and City just gave another false dawn. For the first time ever since I supported United I am completely indifferent to them winning losing drawing. Mainly losing and drawing to be fair.
This is becoming rampant with each passing day. I know many people who have started to feel same way at different points during the last couple of years. Shows the reality of situation our club. Not caring about losing/drawing used to be cardinal sin for an United fan. In the past, when we use to lose/draw, we would wait with anticipation for the next game knowing there surely would be reaction from the players on the pitch.
 

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Anfield, last year was bad there but we are more depleted now. Don't think anyone is putting positive spin on this shit. The mounting injuries and refusal to invest is beyond a joke. We are at the bottom and Ole ain't picking us up. Top to bottom changes need to happen at United or it could be a serious trophy drought.
 

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1. 5-0 loss/28% possession at Anfield ,
2. Contact extension for Phil Jones
3. Signing Kurt Zouma for 85 million in this transfer window

Unless the above 3 happens, I'm going to join the deluded "Ole at the wheel" crowd. On that note RIO! WHAT A TIT!
We already extended Phil Jones contract for another 4 years under Ole.
 

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For things to hit rock bottom, we'd have to get back to 12th and have a negative goal difference, like we did earlier in the season, and then things would have to get even worse. We're 6 points above Newcastle in 13th, so it's not far away.

It's become painfully obvious that the squad is too thin, we become hopeless when we lose our best two midfielders. Obviously I would expect to see a drop, but it's painful to watch for the most part. We could easily get back into the bottom half of the league if McT and Pogba see a delay in their return.

At this point, It's been, what, 10 straight seasons of having an injury "crisis"? With players players like Jones, Shaw, Bailly and Rojo we had to see this coming. I'd personally rather see Garner than Pereira in central midfield, his third position of the season along with right wing and no.10.
 

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Without McTominay, Maguire, Pogba - we're going to be on the receiving end of a few hiding over the next couple of months. That's guaranteed.

I feel for Ole a little. He should have flogged trouble-maker Pogba last summer, when it was clear his heart just wasn't in it anymore. Pogba's disinterest has already rubbed off on Lingard, De Gea and Matic. It's like a virus spreading in a dressing room, that needs to be sorted ASAP.

But I'm still stunned Garner hasn't been given a chance. Surely he offers more than a disinterested Matic and a poor performing Andreas in CM?
 

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Rock bottom would be when we on 5-10 games losing run and finally the board began to act by sacking Ole.

That would be a total chaos on why the board didn't support him as much at the first place and letting that situation to happen.

Imagine we have to go through another appointment and "rebuilding phase" from square one again.

But maybe Ole has laid the foundation by thinning the squad and the next manager might have easier job to rebuild.

As for now, the season is going on as expected.
 

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@Fortitude I think I'm fairly balanced when it comes to this. Before we hire any manager, like everybody, I hold my own views based their prior experience. Once a manager does actually take the reins, I do my best to give him a genuine chance, believe in his 'project' and hope, as lame as that may sound, that this may actually turn out right.

But we are (mostly) adults here. And notions of blind faith & hope and red-tintedness only last so long, and is eventually replaced by an as unbiased/ non coloured an analysis as possible. For me, it's always about the football. How exciting is the football? Are we on route to becoming a cohesive modern football machine? And then obviously how well are we developing players etc And once it becomes apparent that we are not excellent coached and managed then the time had come for the manager to go. It's as simple as that. I dont like feeling that way but it is the way it is. I cannot pointlessly back somebody who is clearly out his depth or a complete misfit.

With Ole I'm well past that point. I watch our games because it's Manchester United and the likes of Martial and Rashford may provide some semblance of entertainment but when the captain steering the ship is mediocre there isnt really any room for hope or excitement. So that's that, United feel a tad dead to me for now. I watch us out of habit and adoration for the crest, but the team does and the way we are coached does nothing for me. I'm just waiting for a regime change and hoping that brings some excellence back as it seems we've given up on it at the present moment.
 

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I've known plenty of lows over the last 49 years, but this does somehow feel different. I think it's because nobody at the club (owners, management, players, many fans) seems to be that bothered; they're all content to just muddle through and believe things will improve if they just wish hard enough.

I started going to games regularly and following the club seriously at exactly the same time Wilf McGuinness was being thrown under the bus by Sir Matt and the Edwards family, having inherited an ageing team and being given no support whatsoever in being allowed to rebuild it. Ole has received far more support than Wilf did, but it does all rather feel the same.
Yeah. With Mourinho at least failure was consisted to be failure and noteworthy, capable of creating a ruckus as it should. With Ole we've entered this absurd phase where this apparently was where we were supposed to be? The going backwards before we go forwards. The long term for the love of the club project. The inexperienced team. The terrible team with no quality. It's all one big excuse machinery where were busy convincing ourselves that we are actually a terrible club and team and our manager needs 60 years to first learn the trade and then manage us properly.
 

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For me it’s not about Ole anymore. It’s Ed Woodward and his coterie of morons. Ole has had a season where his best midfield trio haven’t played more than 5 matches together. Might be even less.

what could be worse at this point? Give Ole a run at Top 4. If he can achieve that, that would be an achievement. Missing out on Top 4 wouldn’t surprise me at all. And that would be the new norm. That would be utterly depressing
 

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I don’t believe in Ole anymore but I’m not longing for him to be sacked, if that makes sense. I definitely feel better than I’ve felt a few months before, mostly because Chelsea/Spurs & Arsenal are equally horrific and, against all odds, we still have a realistic chance of making a top-4.

With Moyes, for example, it was like all the joy was sucked from football. Now we have quite a few positives — Rashford, Martial & James’ form, good performances from Greenwood and Williams...

Although it’s also the standards that you held us accountable to. Moyes was compared to Fergie. Ole is compared to our depressing era of Moyes/LVG & the miserable one. I never expected us to get through City, for example, any positive result would’ve been a miracle. Tells you a lot when as a United fan you don’t go into every game without realistic expectations to win it.
 

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With the depleted squad we had going into the season, I expected much worse, to be honest, so no. I don't know what'd be the final nail in the coffin for me either.
 

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We have already hit rock bottom. Think of where we were at to where we are now. We are still Manchester United with our history and our financial backing its very unlikely that we will just be relegated etc. Even with a sht managers, sht recruitment we are still spending insane amounts and even if the players are sht they are still better than the lower clubs can attract.
 

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Look at the newspapers. They are saying that we have become a laughing stock around the world. They say the richest club in England can only afford to get a Cardiff reject as a manager.
Which newspapers are saying this? If anything, the support for the club, its 'project' and the manager from within the mainstream media is rock solid, rightly or wrongly.
 

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After seeing those figures about the money woody makes in the Glazers/Woodward out thread my season just hit rock bottom.
 

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I bottomed out last night.

Owners don't care.
Board don't care.
Manager cares, but is clueless.
Players don't care - despite what they churn out on twitter.

Our club has been reduced to a money churning golden goose and they're all suckling from its (currently-fat-but-soon-to-be-dry) teat.

Don't be fooled. None of them care.
You forgot the fans mate.

Fans seem to care, but do nothing than go to the caf to moan and argue with each other. No one cares enough to actually do a fecking thing.

This club is doomed.
 

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When we get knocked out of the Europa league to Arsenal.
Oh God, Arsenal fans are the worst too. They've been irrelevant for years and still chat shit whenever they win.
Personally I think the EL has to be the priority now, if we get knocked out then we've hit rock bottom. Add to that Liverpool winning the league...
It's a shit time to be a United fan :lol:
 

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As long as we're still in the running to meet our aims for the season; top four, EL, FA Cup, League Cup (barely), we can't talk about rock bottom. If we end up out of all the cups, a significant distance from fourth place and still playing like shite that will be rock bottom. Whether we should wait for that before the trigger is pulled on Ole is another matter but for me we're not at rock bottom while there are still things to fight for this season.
 

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If we get a long term knock on Rashford or Martial then we are going to be looking at a bottom half finish and will be very lucky to finish with more than 50 points.
 

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I have a horrible feeling Q1 of 2020 is going to be a nightmare for us. Injuries, squad depth (you just know we aren't recruiting anyone in January) and an all round lack of quality mated to fixtures against City, Liverpool et al spells impending doom. Fore me, somehow fluking the Europa is our only way out of an ever deepening mire and then relying on the mother of all transfer windows in the summer to catapult us into next season.
 

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I can honestly say that I will not be able to accept Liverpool toying with us. A loss I can take if we play ok but if they humiliate us it's going to be too much for me. Theese are the games that make it or break it for me.
 

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I guess when we are out of all cup competitions and no longer can qualify for top 4. If the club doesn't care and wants to write-off this season, then we can do the same and just not bother watching the team play for the rest of this season as well. Fair is Fair.
 

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I don’t believe in Ole anymore but I’m not longing for him to be sacked, if that makes sense. I definitely feel better than I’ve felt a few months before, mostly because Chelsea/Spurs & Arsenal are equally horrific and, against all odds, we still have a realistic chance of making a top-4.

With Moyes, for example, it was like all the joy was sucked from football. Now we have quite a few positives — Rashford, Martial & James’ form, good performances from Greenwood and Williams...

Although it’s also the standards that you held us accountable to. Moyes was compared to Fergie. Ole is compared to our depressing era of Moyes/LVG & the miserable one. I never expected us to get through City, for example, any positive result would’ve been a miracle. Tells you a lot when as a United fan you don’t go into every game without realistic expectations to win it.
You really think that? We're not even on course for 60 points and we still have to play the rest of the top six (bar Arsenal, who we already lost to), and out of those, City are the only ones we play at home, and they just hammered us there. Spurs and Chelsea are indeed not great also but they're still easily better than us. They have both better managers and better squads, and even Arsenal look much better now under Arteta.

We also still have the league cup, an FA cup replay, and the Europa, all with our shitty, depleted squad, and arguably the worst manager in the Premier League managing them.

I also would not be remotely surprised if Wolves finish above us too. Basically I don't think we have a hope in hell of top four. Even last season when it was almost gifted to us we still completely fecked it up.
 

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I'm not at breaking point yet, losing to City whilst we've got a crippled midfield and Phil Jones in defence, especially as we 'won' the second half means I still have hope in me as we are in 5th, within touching distance of 4th.

If we lose against Norwich, that would be it though.
:lol:

What does this even mean?
 

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Has it hit rock bottom yet? Are you joking? We're 5th in the league and still in all cups just about. Rock bottom is coming over next few months my friend. Wouldn't be that surprised if Brugges turn us over in the Ropey Cup.
 

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Watching us get relegated was the lowest point of my supporting. The high I experienced watching us win the division and start to rebuild made up for it. This is bad but not nearly as bad as that year.

FFS, our leading goal scorers scored 6 apiece!
 

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You really think that? We're not even on course for 60 points and we still have to play the rest of the top six (bar Arsenal, who we already lost to), and out of those, City are the only ones we play at home, and they just hammered us there. Spurs and Chelsea are indeed not great also but they're still easily better than us. They have both better managers and better squads, and even Arsenal look much better now under Arteta.

We also still have the league cup, an FA cup replay, and the Europa, all with our shitty, depleted squad, and arguably the worst manager in the Premier League managing them.

I also would not be remotely surprised if Wolves finish above us too. Basically I don't think we have a hope in hell of top four. Even last season when it was almost gifted to us we still completely fecked it up.
Yeah. Again, it's not about us, but about how shit the others are. All that is said in anticipation of Pogba's eventual return though, without him or other January reinforcements we don't stand a chance.

Although having a realistic chance doesn't mean us being favourites — if I was a betting man, I'd definitely put Chelsea and Spurs ahead of us. Not sure about Arsenal, I'd still rate us slightly ahead.
 

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1st week of March, we will hit rock bottom. Out of FA cup, given hiding by City in 2nd leg, Out of top 6 race, Out of Europa.

With the injuries we have, we can barely get a 1st team out let alone bench options.

I fear this is going to be a horrible 2 months.
 

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The Watford game broke me. So much hope that we finally started playing well consistently, only to lose against the worst team in the league. After that I lost almost all hope in Ole and the squad.
 

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Yeah. Again, it's not about us, but about how shit the others are. All that is said in anticipation of Pogba's eventual return though, without him or other January reinforcements we don't stand a chance.

Although having a realistic chance doesn't mean us being favourites — if I was a betting man, I'd definitely put Chelsea and Spurs ahead of us. Not sure about Arsenal, I'd still rate us slightly ahead.
Fair enough, you're a lot more optimistic than me anyway. I think we'll finish 6th or 7th. 5th at best.
 

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Watching us get relegated was the lowest point of my supporting. The high I experienced watching us win the division and start to rebuild made up for it. This is bad but not nearly as bad as that year.

FFS, our leading goal scorers scored 6 apiece!
Some serious drama queens in the thread. I'd love to know what the average age is of the people that have posted in it.

5th in the league with a decent shout at 4th. Still in all of the cups - just about. Everything to play for and every match is important. I've seen far worse than this. Am I happy with everything - no, but lets keep some perspective for crying out loud.
 

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I mean there's always the relegation in the same season that Liverpoo wins the league…
 

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Hitting rock bottom would be too much of a statement for this mediocre shambles of a club set up. Instead it will just continue to spiral downwards in ever decreasing mediocre circles.
A run for this team now is winning TWO games in a row before going to pieces again.
Every time we are within touching distance of top 4, as some poster on here eloquently put it, we collectively sh*t the bed.
It's like when Wile E. Coyote is trying to cross a canyon on one of those rope bridges and Roadrunner slices the ropes. Wile E. Coyote desperately scrambles for the boards before they run out and he ends up at the bottom of the canyon in a puff of dust.
At least he puts up a fight.
It's all getting so tiresome now.
 

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Hitting rock bottom would be too much of a statement for this mediocre shambles of a club set up. Instead it will just continue to spiral downwards in ever decreasing mediocre circles.
A run for this team now is winning TWO games in a row before going to pieces again.
Every time we are within touching distance of top 4, as some poster on here eloquently put it, we collectively sh*t the bed.
It's like when Wile E. Coyote is trying to cross a canyon on one of those rope bridges and Roadrunner slices the ropes. Wile E. Coyote desperately scrambles for the boards before they run out and he ends up at the bottom of the canyon in a puff of dust.
At least he puts up a fight.
It's all getting so tiresome now.
Thats the scary part for me, I dont think we have bottomed out yet either. We are a still a crumbling dynasty desperately trying (and failing) to cling on to the ideals that made us great and none of this is more evident by the current manager and he's continuing obsession with waxing lyrical about the united way. We actually might need to hit the bottom and fast as I think this is the only way there will be meaningful change. What this bottom looks like though is hard to say. Relegation?(not going to happen), finishing mid table or lower for a couple of seasons? or maybe just Liverpool winning the league and continuing to grow to be the dominant force in the land over the next few years might well precipitate this massive overhaul that is needed. The sad thing is that this could take years before it happens as we are actually too big a club and too rich to hit the crisis point needed for this meaningful change because we can always go out and throw hundreds of millions of more pounds at the problem which will actually just continue to mask our slow "spiral downwards in ever decreasing mediocre circles". It's a shite state of affairs really.
 

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Some serious drama queens in the thread. I'd love to know what the average age is of the people that have posted in it.

5th in the league with a decent shout at 4th. Still in all of the cups - just about. Everything to play for and every match is important. I've seen far worse than this. Am I happy with everything - no, but lets keep some perspective for crying out loud.
Joke's on you mate, we might actually live long enough to see Utd win another title.